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Offline Smedley Butler

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Re: Phoenix chapel debt
« Reply #120 on: May 30, 2018, 12:24:28 PM »
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  • To be factual,  the FSSP is a creation of the SSPX,not the Novus Ordo.

    You say the FSSP gave up the true faith. If your definition of "true faith" is voicing opposition to the NO and Pope Francis's latest errors, the SSPX gave that up in 2012.


    There is not a word of opposition against the NO at OLOS.

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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #121 on: May 30, 2018, 12:37:37 PM »
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  • What is the point for SSPX'ers attemding OLOS at this point? 

    What leg do they stand on?

    Is there something beneficial about being there? 


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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #122 on: May 30, 2018, 02:05:36 PM »
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  • To be factual,  the FSSP is a creation of the SSPX,not the Novus Ordo.
    By their own admission they were created by the Novus Ordo organization at  the request of priests who left the SSPX.

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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #123 on: May 30, 2018, 03:06:09 PM »
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  • of priests who left the SSPX.

    My point exactly. 
    Founded by priests of the SSPX.
    What was your point? 
    What is the difference in 2018 between OLOS and MM?

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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #124 on: May 30, 2018, 04:49:22 PM »
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  • FSSP ordinations are not valid.  Therefore, nothing.


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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #125 on: May 30, 2018, 04:50:27 PM »
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  • They can also put on a "Dog and Pony Show".

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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #126 on: May 30, 2018, 10:11:34 PM »
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  • My point exactly.
    Founded by priests of the SSPX.
    What was your point?
    What is the difference in 2018 between OLOS and MM?
    The FSSP was not FOUNDED by priests of the SSPX, it was established by the Novus Ordo to take in priests who wanted to leave the SSPX and put themselves under the authority of modernists.  There is a HUGE difference.
      
    The SSPX still have validly ordained priests, MM are "ordained" by the NO which is highly suspect.
      
    I do NOT say that all NO ordinations are absolutely invalid, but there is so much doubt that in good conscience I cannot attend a "Mass" said by anyone ordained by the NO. 
     
    That includes Fr. David Phillipson currently in residence at OLS.  The Society has changed it's original position of conditionally re-ordaining men who come to them from the NO.  Huge mistake.

    I am not an apologist for the Society, they have enormous problems, including slouching towards the Vatican, and only time will tell how things will work out.

    We must all watch and pray.

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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #127 on: May 31, 2018, 07:19:00 AM »
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  • Glad you mentioned Fr. David Phillipson.

    He's a true "poster boy" example of the Menzingen's acceptance of the bastardized newChurch ordination rites.



    Fr. Phillipson used to be the chaplain at the St. Benedict's Center in NH, where he bashed critics of Vatican II's "Gaudium es Spes" from the Sanctuary.

    On a related note, watch for SSPX operatives to be working at The Fatima Center. 

    Above, you see Fr. Phillipson, but the SSPX's "stealth Dominican" Fr. Albert, has shown-up there too.

    Since he lost his fake Dominican order in Belgium, Menzingen has had to find something for him to do.

    More signs that the SSPX is operating behind the scene at Fr. Gruner's old apostolate.

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #128 on: June 02, 2018, 07:44:32 PM »
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  • so it seems that the debt/blackmail payment collected from the faithful has again come up short . I would like to thank all those with the courage and fortitude to stand up to the current church admin 






    SECOND COLLECTION FOR BUILDING FUND: 
    JUNE 10, 2018 MORTGAGE PAYMENT AMOUNT $11,051 –COLLECTION $9,280 
    CURRENT CHURCH DEBT: $2,226,719
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #129 on: June 02, 2018, 09:44:10 PM »
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  • so it seems that the debt/blackmail payment collected from the faithful has again come up short . I would like to thank all those with the courage and fortitude to stand up to the current church admin
    "Stand up" by not being generous? Miserliness is a sin; being in debt is not.
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #130 on: June 02, 2018, 11:48:22 PM »
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  • SECOND COLLECTION FOR BUILDING FUND:
    JUNE 10, 2018 MORTGAGE PAYMENT AMOUNT $11,051 –COLLECTION $9,280
    CURRENT CHURCH DEBT: $2,226,719


    This must be a typo as June 10th is still a week away, they must have meant the May collection.

    The snowbirds are gone, that may be why they came up short.  I think the summer months are usually pretty lean.  If I remember correctly they ended 2016 and 2017 in the black.


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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #131 on: June 03, 2018, 03:12:17 PM »
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  • Of the $11,051 monthly mortgage payment, what amount is (usury) interest?  :farmer:
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #132 on: June 03, 2018, 04:22:32 PM »
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  • I don't know, maybe Town Crier does?

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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #133 on: June 05, 2018, 10:52:30 AM »
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  • This must be a typo as June 10th is still a week away, they must have meant the May collection.

    The snowbirds are gone, that may be why they came up short.  I think the summer months are usually pretty lean.  If I remember correctly they ended 2016 and 2017 in the black.
    The payment is due on June 10th
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #134 on: June 05, 2018, 11:26:19 AM »
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  • Whom let us see now. The collections for last month were short. Of course the collections at any church will vary from month to month. However what was not mentioned was the  fact that all of the  collections from the first quarter went over the amount needed. So this excess is used to cover the short month. So in reality, there was not really a shortage, just a short month correct?
    Let me get this right . You wrote : 
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    fact that all of the  collections from the first quarter went over the amount needed. So this excess is used to cover the short month.

    Are you saying that funds collected in other Sunday collections for say;  foreign missions , building maintenance or general fund were used to make up the short fall in the debt/blackmail payment ?
    You all see ? This is the same thing they did with the window and brick money. Misappropriation or embezzlement if you prefer  
    is not only a crime it is a grave sin and by donating ANYTHING to OLoS we fostering and enabling this theft 


     
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