Author Topic: Outstanding Sermon on Sedevacantism by Fr. Pfeiffer (Read 46052 times)

Pete Vere · « **Reply #30 on:** May 05, 2014, 04:13:48 PM »

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That all these people who took the R&R position *for a reason* would suddenly slide into sedevacantism?

That outcome, I believe, is inevitable. Give it another five years.

BlackIrish · « **Reply #31 on:** May 05, 2014, 04:18:25 PM »

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I am very disappointed right now. The Resistance, inasmuch as it is the product of Fr. Pfeiffer, is stillborn.

At the risk of offending most of this discussion board:

1) What purpose does the Resistance serve within the overall traditionalist movement?

2) How well does the Resistance serve this purpose?

Really, this should not have to be stated, but okay . . .

It exists to counter the ever growing errors of Modernism and many of its proponents, such as Masonic influences.

Pete Vere · « **Reply #32 on:** May 05, 2014, 04:31:55 PM »

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It exists to counter the ever growing errors of Modernism and many of its proponents, such as Masonic influences.[/color][/b]

And the Order of Alhambra fits into this how?

BlackIrish · « **Reply #33 on:** May 05, 2014, 04:34:05 PM »

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It exists to counter the ever growing errors of Modernism and many of its proponents, such as Masonic influences.[/color][/b]

And the Order of Alhambra fits into this how?

For starters . . . symbolism!

BlackIrish · « **Reply #34 on:** May 05, 2014, 04:37:09 PM »

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And Wallflower, you're right about one thing; I probably expected too much from the Resistance*. My disappointment in them stems from believing that they cared about truth before anything else. Alas, they're not really any better than +Fellay, who twists the faith to fit into his program.

There is a marginal practical difference in that the Resistance apparently does not wish to reconcile with the New Church, but that is a small consolation when they are destroying the dogma of infallibility and completely disregarding the traditional ways of understanding the nature of the Church and its teaching authority, expecting the faithful to learn from them rather than the popes, saints and theologians. If I cannot trust that the Church is guided by the Holy Ghost, if I cannot trust the warnings of Bendict XIV or St. Thomas Aquinas or any other teacher given me by the Church to learn the Holy Faith, where on earth does Fr. Pfeiffer get off thinking I should trust him? Anyone who is contradicting the mind of the Church as expressed by the theologians, saints and popes on this issue and choosing to follow Fr. Pfeiffer should be asking the same question. It has a cultish effect. Don't trust the Church, don't trust the popes, don't trust the saints, don't trust the theologians... trust me.

*I do realize that the Resistance is world-wide, and that just because Fr. Pfeiffer says it doesn't mean "the Resistance" throughout the world believes it, but it practically does at least in North America.

dogma of infallibility? Do you believe that the Pope as a person is infallible? Is this a blanket concept for you?

There is nothing within the quoted material that could lead someone to think that. You have been trained very well with these canned responses.

That the pope is infallible when defining for the whole Church a matter of faith and morals with his authority is a dogma of the faith. Are you familiar with Vatican I?

You refer to destroying the dogma of infallibility . . . where has Francis assumed the dogma of ex cathedra to his person or where has anyone thought that of him?