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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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Please forgive me?
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2013, 05:34:46 PM »
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    Offline Sienna629

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    « Reply #16 on: August 04, 2013, 05:38:32 PM »
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    :dancing:  Sienna629 is correct.  I realized AFTERWARDS that it was a bad idea.  Now, please let it go.  I went to Confession; received absolution,; it's over!
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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #17 on: August 04, 2013, 06:07:04 PM »
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    For the record, I think this only applies to mortal sins.  For
    a thread like that on the Internet, which was not very
    appealing (as my post on it said from the beginning - it is
    a good example of a thread that should be deleted), but
    was not so serious as to be of that really bad category of
    "mortal," it would hardly qualify.  It was obviously meant as
    a sort of practical joke or something but it was still not
    becoming of Catholic behavior, more like a low-level, such
    as "oddly suspect" or "perhaps offensive to pious ears."

    I was speaking in general terms, not specifically about this
    incident, but in reply to the principle that made it seem, if
    misunderstood or misapplied: such as that it's beneficial to
    plan on getting more graces by confessing a sin later, even
    if (and it most likely was not) it was not InDominoSperavi's
    intention to say that.  I was just clearing the loophole, as
    it were.

    And I only made the cautionary post above because it is
    something that too many, including myself, often forget,
    that when confessing a mortal sin, if during the commission
    of the sin the penitent was planning to go to confession
    afterwards, this raises the sin to a new, more serious
    category, and it really ought to be explained to the
    confessor, "When I stole the $2,000 car" or "as I was in
    the act of committing murder" or "while I deliberately
    typed lies that would defame the character of a good
    person, I had it in mind that I would later confess this and
    so thereby be forgiven."

    Under certain conditions, the confessor might judge such
    an admission of anticipated penance as a sign that the
    penitent is not really sorry for the sin, but even might go
    out soon and commit the same sin again, and in extreme
    cases, could qualify for impenitence, for which absolution
    might well be withheld, until such time as a more
    convincing evidence of true contrition is given.

    Nor are most confessors likely to ask this question unless
    the penitent has provided some indication that it is the
    case.  How many times have you been asked by your
    confessor if you had intended to later confess that mortal
    sin at the time when you were committing it?  For it is a
    practice they are trained not to do, to suggest to a
    penitent that what they have done is actually worse than
    what they think it is -- unless, like I said, there is some
    kind of matter in the confession as it was that would make
    that to be likely the case.  

    How much simpler it would all be if confessors all had the
    power to see the condition of souls, like Padre Pio did.......  

    Fr. Pfeiffer recently related a story of a woman who had
    confessed to Padre Pio and at the end he asked her if she
    had remembered all her un-confessed sins, and she replied
    that she thought she had.  Then the saint told her, No, you
    have not, for you have not confessed the sin you committed
    before you were married, when you conceived a child out of
    wedlock and being bothered and afraid of the consequences,
    you had an abortion.  He then went on to explain to her, that
    child would have been born a boy, and he would have grown
    up to be ordained a priest, and that priest would later be
    consecrated bishop, and then that bishop would have been
    created Cardinal, after which that Cardinal was going to be
    elected Pope, and finally, that Pope was going to reform the
    Catholic Church.  


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    Offline Raphaela

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    « Reply #18 on: August 04, 2013, 06:08:01 PM »
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    :dancing:  Sienna629 is correct.  I realized AFTERWARDS that it was a bad idea.  Now, please let it go.  I went to Confession; received absolution,; it's over!
     :dancing-banana:

    If you only realise it was a sin afterwards, then it's not a sin (for you). You have to realise at the time that it's sinful, in order for it to count as a sin. So no need to confess it. But if you do, you should say you didn't realise at the time, or didn't think it was a sin then, or else you're making yourself out to be worse than you are. "Over-confessing" is not a virtue and can lead to scruples.

    My reply to Neil Obstat had a serious intent. Meaning - I think he's wrong to say all that. If you say to a priest after confessing each sin: "And I planned to confess it afterwards," he'll just laugh at you.

    Is N. O. thinking  of the case, which Protestants like to accuse Catholics of, in which people think they can keep on committing a sin and just confess it each time? That is, their specific intention to repeat the sin (instead of resolving to try not to commit it again) invalidates the confession.

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    « Reply #19 on: August 04, 2013, 06:49:00 PM »
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    I will settle this now.  I explained in some detail-no names, of course, what I did, including not thinking it through, the consequent negative result.  Fr.said it was a VENIAL sin in my case, and would be mortal only had I anticipated  the results, recognized it as unbcoming a Catholic, or had hatred for others, particularly priests, in my heart.  It would be a mortal sin to repeat it, either because it wasn't mortal, or because I presumed upon getting off easy in the confessional.  Okay, let's REALLY put it to rest!
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    « Reply #20 on: August 04, 2013, 07:34:52 PM »
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    Offline Raphaela

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    « Reply #21 on: August 05, 2013, 09:43:35 AM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
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    And I only made the cautionary post above because it is
    something that too many, including myself, often forget,
    that when confessing a mortal sin, if during the commission
    of the sin the penitent was planning to go to confession
    afterwards, this raises the sin to a new, more serious
    category, and it really ought to be explained to the
    confessor, "When I stole the $2,000 car" or "as I was in
    the act of committing murder" or "while I deliberately
    typed lies that would defame the character of a good
    person, I had it in mind that I would later confess this and
    so thereby be forgiven."

    Under certain conditions, the confessor might judge such
    an admission of anticipated penance as a sign that the
    penitent is not really sorry for the sin, but even might go
    out soon and commit the same sin again, and in extreme
    cases, could qualify for impenitence, for which absolution
    might well be withheld, until such time as a more
    convincing evidence of true contrition is given.

    I'm sorry, N.O., I really don't understand what you mean, try as I can, nor have I ever heard of such a thing before. Not seen in any cathechism or book on moral theology that I've ever read.

    I don't think you can make distinctions between mortal and venial sins in this manner, either. The intention to confess a sin after you've committed it would, I hope, be in the mind of all Catholics who are about to knowingly commit a sin - going to confession after sin is just part of being a Catholic.

    The only "extra sin" is to say beforehand "I shall never confess this" (implying they would rather spend the rest of their life in a state of mortal sin than humble themselves before a confessor) which is an extra sin they should mention if they change their mind and confess later.

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    « Reply #22 on: August 05, 2013, 10:10:50 AM »
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     It would be a mortal sin to repeat it, either because it wasn't mortal, or because I presumed upon getting off easy in the confessional.   :sleep:

    Sorry if I'm putting everyone to sleep!!

    But I don't see this either. A sin is either venial or mortal - no ideas about confessing it later or "getting off easy in the confessional" can change that. We're all cynical, we all know we can get off easy in the confessional, whether it's after stealing a free bus ride or committing mass murder. That's God's wonderful act mercy to fallen man. But it doesn't change the nature of the sin. (And we can't cut out of our minds the knowledge that we have an easy way out!)

    Only having learnt or realised afterwards that our "nothing" was venial or our "venial" was mortal, puts it in a different category if we choose to commit it again.