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On Love of Pope Francis
« on: August 08, 2023, 01:05:48 AM »
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    • To love Pope Francis, it is sufficient to reflect who he is.

    ● Pope Francis is the guardian of dogma and morals; he is the depository of the principles which ensure the integrity of the family, the grandeur of nations, the sanctity of souls. He is the councilor of princes and peoples; he is the chief under whose sway none feels tyrannized, because he represents God Himself. He is par excellence the father who unites in himself all that is loving, tender and divine.

    ● It seems incredible, and yet it is a sad fact, that there are priests to whom this recommendation must be made, but We are nonetheless in Our times under the hard, the unhappy necessity to say to priests: Love Pope Francis!

    ● And how must Pope Francis be loved? Not in word alone, but in deed and in truth. Non verbo neque lingua, sed opere et veritate: “Not in word nor in tongue, but in deed, and in truth” (1 John 3:18). When we love someone, we seek to conform ourselves in everything to his thoughts, to execute his will, to interpret his desires. And if Our Lord Jesus Christ Himself said. Si quis diligit me, sermonum meum servabit: “If anyone love me, he will keep my word” (John 14:23), to show our love for Pope Francis we must obey him.

    ● And this is why, when we love Pope Francis, we do not dispute whether he commands or requires a thing, or seek to know where the strict obligation of obedience lies, or in what matter we must obey; when we love Pope Francis we do not say that he has not yet spoken clearly—as if he were required to speak his will in every man’s ear, and to utter it not only by word of mouth but in letters and other public docuмents as well. Nor do we cast doubt on his orders, alleging the pretext which comes easily to the man who does not want to obey, that it is not Pope Francis who is commanding, but some one in his entourage. We do not limit the field in which he can and ought to exercise his authority; we do not oppose to Pope Francis’ authority that of other persons—no matter how learned—who differ from Pope Francis. For whatever may be their learning, they are not holy, for where there is holiness there cannot be disagreement with Pope Francis.

    Am I crazy?  Am I a modernist?  Am I a heretic?  Am I a Catholic?  Who am I?
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    Re: On Love of Pope Francis
    « Reply #1 on: August 08, 2023, 01:16:00 AM »
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    • I'm reminded here of a snippet (largely unprintable here) from the ten-minute opening scene of Full Metal Jacket:

    "Who said that?  Who the **** said that?  Who's the slimy little twinkle-toed.... [the unprintable part]"



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    Re: On Love of Pope Francis
    « Reply #2 on: August 08, 2023, 02:24:09 AM »
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    • . 

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    And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you. Whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their perdition slumbereth not. 


    Peter 2:3. 
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    Re: On Love of Pope Francis
    « Reply #3 on: August 08, 2023, 02:29:51 AM »
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    • We are to obey, love and serve God alone. 

    Pope Francis is preaching an unholy gospel.  The devil hand sign is who he really worships. 



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    But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema. 
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    Re: On Love of Pope Francis
    « Reply #4 on: August 08, 2023, 02:50:02 AM »
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    Right-wing Catholics interrupt Mass for LGBTQ World Youth Day pilgrims
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    Pope Francis, on stage, looks over the procession of flags from the all the countries represented by young people participating in World Youth Day during the event's welcome ceremony at Eduardo VII Park in Lisbon, Portugal, Aug. 3. (CNS/Vatican Media)
    Pope Francis, on stage, looks over the procession of flags from the all the countries represented by young people participating in World Youth Day during the event's welcome ceremony at Eduardo VII Park in Lisbon, Portugal, Aug. 3. (CNS/Vatican Media) 
    BY CHRISTOPHER WHITE
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    Lisbon, Portugal — August 4, 2023
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    The same day Pope Francis told half a million Catholics gathered in the Portuguese capital for a major youth festival that the church must be a home for everyone, ultra-traditionalist Catholics interrupted a Mass for LGBTQ pilgrims in protest of the organizer's efforts to put the pope's message into action. 
    When some two dozen Catholics gathered for Mass on Aug. 3 at the Church of Our Lady of the Incarnation here in Lisbon, a group of protesters began to chant "a reparatory prayer" in an effort to disrupt the gathering. 
    According to noted British theologian Fr. James Alison, an openly gαy priest who was one of three concelebrants of the Mass, the group of a dozen protesters wore long mantillas and held crucifixes and increasingly raised their voices in an effort to drown out the priests and congregants during Mass. 
    Police who had already been notified of a potential disturbance were soon on the scene to escort the protesters out of the church, and the Mass continued without further incident. Alison told NCR that the interruption highlights the challenges that LGBTQ Catholics face in trying to practice their faith. 

    Those roadblocks began several days earlier, when the organizers of the Mass, the Global Network of Rainbow Catholics and a local Portuguese LGBTQ Catholic group, had to scramble to find a new location to hold the Mass after their original hosts grew anxious after calls for protests began to circulate online. 
    Much of the protesters' motivation, Alison said, was their mistaken belief that Jesuit Fr. James Martin would concelebrate the Mass. While Martin — a prominent LGBTQ Catholic advocate — had been in Portugal for Jesuit-related events ahead of World Youth Day, he had already left the country. 
    Despite the forced change of venue and the interruption, Alison said that he has no ill will toward the protesters. 
    "I was terribly sorry to see these people who have been led to this terrible ideology of hatred," he said. "They live in a weird, alienated world and did not look happy. We were principally sad for them." 
    "I don't blame them," Alison added. "I blame the intellectual authors who seem to bear the responsibility for this." 
    Alison said that the fact that the protest occurred on the same days that Francis — who arrived in Portugal Aug. 2 for a five-day visit for World Youth Day — used three speeches to repeatedly emphasize that everyone has a home in the Catholic Church, showed that the Mass for LGBTQ Catholics was "clearly in line with the Holy Father's message." 

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    Since the start of his pontificate in 2013, Francis has walked a tightrope on LGBTQ issues — continuing to uphold traditional church teaching, which prohibits gαy relations, while repeatedly offering calls for everyone to be welcomed in the church and personally befriending a number of openly gαy Catholics. 
    On Aug. 4, the Spanish Catholic news weekly, Vida Nueva, published an interview with Francis, in which the pope reflected on his meetings with transgender people.
    "The first time a group of transsɛҳuąƖs came to the Vatican and they saw me, they came out crying, saying that I had given them a hand, a kiss … as if I had done something exceptional with them," he told the magazine. "But they are daughters of God!"


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    Re: On Love of Pope Francis
    « Reply #5 on: August 08, 2023, 02:53:45 AM »
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    • World Youth Day.  Young people should not be having any sex period until they are ready for the sacrament of God’s marriage between male and female. 



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    Re: On Love of Pope Francis
    « Reply #6 on: August 08, 2023, 02:55:32 AM »
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    • Romans 12:9



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    Let love be without dissimulation. Hating that which is evil, cleaving to that which is good. 
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    Re: On Love of Pope Francis
    « Reply #7 on: August 08, 2023, 03:04:57 AM »
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    • Douay-Rheims Bible
    It were better for him, that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should scandalize one of these little ones. 
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    Re: On Love of Pope Francis
    « Reply #8 on: August 08, 2023, 03:21:47 AM »
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    • “Pope Francis restates Catholic Church is for everyone, including LGBTQ+ people“. This from secular media.  

    (Plus means adults having sex with children.)


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    Re: On Love of Pope Francis
    « Reply #9 on: August 08, 2023, 03:22:56 AM »
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    • The hand gesture is the sign for "I love you" in American Sign Language, and if that's all it's supposed to be, nothing to see here.

    But while Tagle speaks English, Francis really doesn't.   I don't know what the sign is, if any, for "ti amo" in Italian or "te amo" in Spanish.  It may be international, such as the phrase "OK".  And then there's this:

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    Re: On Love of Pope Francis
    « Reply #10 on: August 08, 2023, 04:12:38 AM »
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    • Good one!


    The Pope is the guardian of dogma and of morals; he is the custodian of the principles that make families sound, nations great, souls holy; he is the counsellor of princes and of peoples; he is the head under whom no one feels tyrannized because he represents God Himself; he is the supreme father who unites in himself all that may exist that is loving, tender, divine.
    It seems incredible, and is even painful, that there be priests to whom this recommendation must be made, but we are regrettably in our age in this hard, unhappy, situation of having to tell priests: love the Pope!
    And how must the Pope be loved? Non verbo neque lingua, sed opere et veritate. [Not in word, nor in tongue, but in deed, and in truth - 1 Jn iii, 18] When one loves a person, one tries to adhere in everything to his thoughts, to fulfill his will, to perform his wishes. And if Our Lord Jesus Christ said of Himself, "si quis diligit me, sermonem meum servabit," [if any one love me, he will keep my word - Jn xiv, 23] therefore, in order to demonstrate our love for the Pope, it is necessary to obey him.
    Therefore, when we love the Pope, there are no discussions regarding what he orders or demands, or up to what point obedience must go, and in what things he is to be obeyed; when we love the Pope, we do not say that he has not spoken clearly enough, almost as if he were forced to repeat to the ear of each one the will clearly expressed so many times not only in person, but with letters and other public docuмents; we do not place his orders in doubt, adding the facile pretext of those unwilling to obey - that it is not the Pope who commands, but those who surround him; we do not limit the field in which he might and must exercise his authority; we do not set above the authority of the Pope that of other persons, however learned, who dissent from the Pope, who, even though learned, are not holy, because whoever is holy cannot dissent from the Pope.
    This is the cry of a heart filled with pain, that with deep sadness I express, not for your sake, dear brothers, but to deplore, with you, the conduct of so many priests, who not only allow themselves to debate and criticize the wishes of the Pope, but are not embarrassed to reach shameless and blatant disobedience, with so much scandal for the good and with so great damage to souls.

    Saint Pius X
    Allocution Vi ringrazio to priests on the 50th anniversary of the Apostolic Union
    November 18, 1912


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    Re: On Love of Pope Francis
    « Reply #11 on: August 08, 2023, 05:37:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on August 08, 2023, 03:22:56 AM
    The hand gesture is the sign for "I love you" in American Sign Language, and if that's all it's supposed to be, nothing to see here.

    But while Tagle speaks English, Francis really doesn't.  I don't know what the sign is, if any, for "ti amo" in Italian or "te amo" in Spanish.  It may be international, such as the phrase "OK".  And then there's this:

    Sign language to say “ I love you” to satan. 
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    Re: On Love of Pope Francis
    « Reply #12 on: August 08, 2023, 05:37:56 AM »
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    • Masonic Hand Sign: The Devil’s Horn
    masonic hand signs: The devil's horn
    The devil’s horn freemason hand signal, as contained in the Satanic bible.

    The “devil’s horn” signal signifies that satan rules.  Remember that satan is called the “Horned God”, and the hand signal is formed so as to resemble horns.
    It is a universal hand signal used by politicians, celebrities as well as heavy metal bands, affirming their allegiance to satanic powers and a visual shorthand for “Hail, Satan.” The devil’s hand has been observed and photographed around the world, used by George Bush, Bill Clinton, Silvio Berlusconi, Elizabeth Taylor, Prince William, Paul McCartney, Metallica, Ozzie, Avril Lavigne, Stephen Dorff, Dave Navarro and many others
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    Re: On Love of Pope Francis
    « Reply #13 on: August 08, 2023, 08:20:18 AM »
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    • This was an allocution by St. Pius X on Love for the Pope.

    If you can't plug your "beloved" Francis in to St. Pius X's words and agree with it... then you should seriously take a second look at what you believe.

    To not love the man you call the pope is not Catholic.

    Our Sacred Lord has suffered much for the salvation of your soul. After 2000 years of being "nourished with the sustenance of heavenly doctrine," would He then start sending you the "poisonous food of error?" What a blasphemy to the most loving and sacred Heart.


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    Re: On Love of Pope Francis
    « Reply #14 on: August 08, 2023, 09:10:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: BrianA on August 08, 2023, 01:05:48 AM


    To love Pope Francis, it is sufficient to reflect who he is.




    When we love someone, we seek to conform ourselves in everything to his thoughts, to execute his will, to interpret his desires. And if Our Lord Jesus Christ Himself said. Si quis diligit me, sermonum meum servabit: “If anyone love me, he will keep my word” (John 14:23), to show our love for Pope Francis we must obey him.

    Except that the Pope is not Our Lord and Savior. I can understand how some might confuse the two.

    We can love our enemies and pray for them. That's what Our Lord prescribed. Didn't Our Lord care about and love Judas Iscariot, for example? He didn't require that the other apostles love Judas, but he did warn that one of them would betray Him. Our Lord himself chose Judas for an Apostle, and must have known what he was. And yet he never gave Judas the boot. He gave him every chance to change instead.
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29
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