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New Resistance Bishop- ELEISON COMMENTS - Fr Ballini
« on: January 05, 2023, 01:07:02 PM »
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  • STRENGTHENING TRADITION

    (With apologies for the late appearance of this particular EC)

    Early in the New Year there is due to be ordained, on the Emerald Isle another priest for Catholic
    Tradition, by a bishop who is well-known in that country as a priest but not as a bishop. This is because
    he was consecrated in private nearly two years ago, in January of 2021, when the false Covid crisis with
    all its travel restrictions was in full swing. It then seemed that Éire might be completely cut off from
    England for an indefinite length of time, and then what would have continued to protect in the Land of
    Saints and Scholars those Catholics who understand the dangers for their Faith both of the Newchurch
    and of the Newsociety of St Pius X ? These Catholics may not be numerous, but by their rare grasp of
    the unchanging Catholic Faith they have for the future of the Church a rare importance. The precious
    consecration might have remained private for longer, were not circuмstances seeming to become
    steadily more hostile to Catholic Tradition.

    Now as Catholic bishops are, by the power of their sacramental Orders to ordain priests and to
    consecrate bishops, essential for the survival of the Church, so Traditional bishops have been essential to
    the survival of Catholic Tradition. When Archbishop Lefebvre consecrated four bishops in 1988 without
    the clear permission of the Church’s official leaders in Rome, let nobody think that he was simply
    defying those leaders, because they had in fact given permission in principle for at least one to be
    consecrated. But when it came to fixing a date for that one consecration, Cardinal Ratzinger so avoided
    naming a date that the Archbishop saw clearly that he would never in practice be able to use the
    permission granted to him in principle by Church Authority. That was the decisive moment for the
    Archbishop to understand that Catholic Truth would never be properly defended by the modernists ruling
    in “Rome”, and so he went ahead with the consecration of four of his own priests as bishops, to ensure
    “Operation Survival”, as he called it, the very survival of Catholic Tradition.

    At the time, many believing Catholics did not understand his action, and roundly condemned it, but
    today, after Pachamama, and after Traditionis Custodes pretending to abolish the Traditional rite of
    Mass, and after a host of other heresies coming from the summit of the Newchurch, many of those same
    Catholics now admit that it is thanks to those consecrations of 1988 that the true Church survived. In the
    unprecedented crisis of the Church precipitated by its own leaders splitting their Catholic Authority from
    Catholic Truth at Vatican II (1962-1965), Archbishop Lefebvre never scorned or defied the true
    Authority of the Church, he merely put the Truth of Tradition in front of that Authority as embodied in
    neo-modernists, and by his so doing, more and more Catholics still have a Tradition to which they can
    rally. Honest souls among them acknowledge Mother Church’s immeasurable debt to the Archbishop.
    Now in the early 2020’s, Almighty God has still not yet seen fit to reunite Catholic Truth and Catholic
    Authority, so that the neo-modernists are still in control of “Rome”, and the Faith needs still to be
    sustained despite “Rome”. Therefore what the Archbishop began by putting Truth before Authority must
    be continued. However, while Catholic Truth must be preferred in the last resort to Catholic Authority if
    “Authority” opposes that Truth which it was only instituted by Our Lord to defend, nevertheless Truth in
    a fallen world does need that Authority to protect it, so that without that Authority on high, Truth has real
    difficulties. For instance the Archbishop’s successors had such problems in ruling the Society after his
    death that by a policy of deferring to “Rome” much more than he would ever have done, they so changed
    the Archbishop’s Society that it needs a new name, e.g. the “Newsociety”. And just as the mass of
    Catholics after Vatican II followed their leaders from the Church into the Newchurch, so the mass of
    followers of the Archbishop’s Society have followed his successors from his Society into what one can
    call the “Newsociety”, because it strains after official approval by the neo-modernists of “Rome”.

    Therefore as in 1988, or even more today, for the survival of Catholic Tradition, the necessity arises for the
    consecration of bishops without Roman Authority, so to speak, to maintain the Archbishop’s defence of the
    Faith above all. Hence the consecration in private of Fr Giacomo Ballini, here in England on January 14,
    2021. The on-going Covid crisis showed how bravely he looks after the Mass and the Faith of all time.
    Kyrie eleison
    Today’s “Rome” will not properly care for sheep ?
    We must have shepherds who will the true Faith keep !

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: New Resistance Bishop- ELEISON COMMENTS - Fr Ballini
    « Reply #1 on: January 05, 2023, 05:00:39 PM »
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  • So he waited nearly two years to announce that this man was a bishop? Long after COVID ended?

    What we really need is to start ordaining some hidden or underground priests ... because when the greater lockdowns come in the future, and priests are shut down, the faithful will be without the Sacraments.  While bishops are good, it's the priests who are most essential.  Of course, you need bishops to consecrate priests, but then why didn't this bishop REMAIN clandestine?  In fact, you probably need some clandestine bishops as well, those whom the world thinks are laymen but are really both priests and bishops.  I'm not advocating someone who's not qualified or competent or adequately trained, but to have them trained in secret, and ordained / consecrated in secret so that they can serve the faithful when (not if) this gets worse ... and it WILL get worse.  We have a bit of a breather after COVID-19.  Look what they got away with in terms of lockdowns, shutting down churches, and preventing priests from administering Last Rites for a "disease" that had a 1-2% fataility rate IF you believe their numbers (it was much lower).  Now, if/when they release another one that has even a 10-15% morality rate, it'll be a massive lockdown and people will lose all access to Sacraments.  COVID was used to pilot their program, a test run to see how people would react, and the sheep / lemmings went to the slaughter in droves for fear of the flu.  There are probably many former seminarians out there who could be tagged, who may have made it far enough along to be able to function reasonably to deliver the Sacraments to the faithful underground.  This is why Bishop Slupski sometimes ordained married men.  He grew up under Communist lockdowns where the Church went underground, and he knows very well what's coming our way.  People derided him for it, but I'm pretty sure he was right in that particular attitude.


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    Re: New Resistance Bishop- ELEISON COMMENTS - Fr Ballini
    « Reply #2 on: January 05, 2023, 05:09:12 PM »
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  • Who says that there aren’t other privately consecrated bishops, and conditionally ordained priests….?

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    Re: New Resistance Bishop- ELEISON COMMENTS - Fr Ballini
    « Reply #3 on: January 05, 2023, 06:11:37 PM »
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  • Fr Bellini is a Bishop?? That's great!

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    Re: New Resistance Bishop- ELEISON COMMENTS - Fr Ballini
    « Reply #4 on: January 05, 2023, 06:16:37 PM »
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  • Two bishops in every garage now :laugh1:

    They're firing up the presses at The Angelus as we speak for a reworking of Father Cekada's old article.


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    Re: New Resistance Bishop- ELEISON COMMENTS - Fr Ballini
    « Reply #5 on: January 05, 2023, 06:21:09 PM »
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  • It doesn't say who consecrated this bishop? :confused:

    I guess everyone's assuming it was +Williamson himself, but it is strange that he did not use the active voice, "I consecrated ..." but used the passive.  Is he trying to avoid another excommunication?  :laugh1:  Will he sign the certificate "Bishop Nelson Williams y [mother's maiden name]" and will he call it an "ugly rumor" that he consecrated +Bellini when interrogated by Father Fullerton? :laugh1:

    Unless there were multiple COMPETENT witnesses and a video tape, Bishop Kelly will have a field day with this.  Of course, he's already saying that +Williamson is a doubtful priest (and therefore bishop) due to the "one-handed ordination" situation.

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    Re: New Resistance Bishop- ELEISON COMMENTS - Fr Ballini
    « Reply #6 on: January 05, 2023, 06:33:29 PM »
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  • I guess everyone's assuming it was +Williamson himself, but it is strange that he did not use the active voice, "I consecrated ..." but used the passive.  Is he trying to avoid another excommunication?  :laugh1:  Will he sign the certificate "Bishop Nelson Williams y [mother's maiden name]" and will he call it an "ugly rumor" that he consecrated +Bellini when interrogated by Father Fullerton? :laugh1:

    Why do you assume that +W would outright lie about the consecration if interrogated by Fr. Fullerton? That's harsh. Not that Fr. Fullerton would really care about the matter anyway. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: New Resistance Bishop- ELEISON COMMENTS - Fr Ballini
    « Reply #7 on: January 05, 2023, 06:35:19 PM »
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  • Unless there were multiple COMPETENT witnesses and a video tape, Bishop Kelly will have a field day with this.  Of course, he's already saying that +Williamson is a doubtful priest (and therefore bishop) due to the "one-handed ordination" situation.

    Let the sedevacantists have a field day with it. It'll make their day; that's okay. It doesn't matter.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: New Resistance Bishop- ELEISON COMMENTS - Fr Ballini
    « Reply #8 on: January 05, 2023, 06:48:20 PM »
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  • Why do you assume that +W would outright lie about the consecration if interrogated by Fr. Fullerton? That's harsh. Not that Fr. Fullerton would really care about the matter anyway.

    This was a joke.  I was poking fun of the ordinations performed by "Bishop Gonzalez" (used a pseudonym on the ordination certificate), who later denied that he had ordained Fathers Greenwell and Baumberger when he was questioned by Father Peter Scott, calling it an "ugly rumor".  Basically, I was mocking the double standard of Bishop Kelly where his ordinations / consecrations are all certainly valid while multiple other groups' consecrations are not.

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    Re: New Resistance Bishop- ELEISON COMMENTS - Fr Ballini
    « Reply #9 on: January 05, 2023, 06:49:27 PM »
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  • Let the sedevacantists have a field day with it. It'll make their day; that's okay. It doesn't matter.

    You act like this is just a sedevacantist issue (as per usual).  R&R have their own set of dubious Bishop and priests now with the +?Pfeiffer situation.

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    Re: New Resistance Bishop- ELEISON COMMENTS - Fr Ballini
    « Reply #10 on: January 05, 2023, 06:53:51 PM »
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  • You act like this is just a sedevacantist issue (as per usual).  R&R have their own set of dubious Bishop and priests now with the +?Pfeiffer situation.

    That's just it. It's not a sedevacantist issue. But you are assuming that they are going to care about the situation. In reality, it doesn't matter what sedevacantists think. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: New Resistance Bishop- ELEISON COMMENTS - Fr Ballini
    « Reply #11 on: January 05, 2023, 06:56:25 PM »
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  • This was a joke.  I was poking fun of the ordinations performed by "Bishop Gonzalez" (used a pseudonym on the ordination certificate), who later denied that he had ordained Fathers Greenwell and Baumberger when he was questioned by Father Peter Scott, calling it an "ugly rumor".  Basically, I was mocking the double standard of Bishop Kelly where his ordinations / consecrations are all certainly valid while multiple other groups' consecrations are not.

    There was no indication that you were poking fun at anything. At least for those of us who are not "in the know" about sedevacantist ordination/consecrations.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: New Resistance Bishop- ELEISON COMMENTS - Fr Ballini
    « Reply #12 on: January 05, 2023, 06:59:09 PM »
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  • There was no indication that you were poking fun at anything. At least for those of us who are not "in the know" about sedevacantist ordination/consecrations.

    Really, Meg?  I put two of these in those 2-3 sentences:  :laugh1:

    And the joke was obvious to anyone who followed the "Bishop Gonzalez" and "ugly rumor" saga.

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    Re: New Resistance Bishop- ELEISON COMMENTS - Fr Ballini
    « Reply #13 on: January 05, 2023, 07:07:21 PM »
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  • Why can’t I down vote Ladislaus on this thread? Every time I try I get kicked off Cathinfo…

    (I normally agree with a lot of what Ladislaus posts. But on this thread it’s garbage). 

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    Re: New Resistance Bishop- ELEISON COMMENTS - Fr Ballini
    « Reply #14 on: January 05, 2023, 07:31:49 PM »
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  • Why can’t I down vote Ladislaus on this thread? Every time I try I get kicked off Cathinfo…

    (I normally agree with a lot of what Ladislaus posts. But on this thread it’s garbage).

    Matthew made an algorithm whose purpose is supposed to keep a troll from coming on the forum & going on a downvote binge.  The problem is, there is a glitch in the system, whereby some members can't be downvoted at all, or barely at all (e.g. Ladislaus, but not only him), or at least, can't be downvoted by certain members.  There are a handful of posters I am totally unable to downvote, and I know that is true of some other members, and none of us would qualify for "already downvoted the poster too often" status.