Quote from: trento 2025-08-24, 7:17:18 AM
If the 1975 jubilee pilgrimage was a protest and done without Rome's knowledge, would ABL be allowed to celebrated Mass at a Roman basilica?

”…It is therefore impossible for any conscientious and faithful Catholic to espouse this reformation and to submit to it in any way whatsoever.
The only attitude of fidelity to the Church and to Catholic doctrine appropriate for our salvation is a categorical refusal to accept this reformation…”

Declaration of Archbishop Lefebvre – November 1974

Wow, very well said!
I've been mainly using the SSPX priests for the Mass and sacraments basically my whole life, your post was very well said. To date, I have never, not even once heard any heresy or error from the pulpit in spite of the scandals going on with Menzingen, and if they want to go to Rome and proudly champion the true faith and Mass to the faces of the modernist heretics in charge - God Bless them.

If it weren't for all of the divisions and splits in the last 50 years, maybe there would have been a few million instead of a few thousand, who knows?


 

   

If they were going to Rome in the same spirit of +Lefebvre, to oppose the false modernist religion and stand firm against anti-christ doctrines of ecuмenism, LGBT, annulments, Protestant worship service, communion in the hand, priestesses and so on.  If the SSPX leaders would condemn the new religion and insist Rome embrace Christ the King and His rights over governments and all souls, that we must submit to His teachings and commandments that could be applauded but that is not the case.  Instead they are bringing in Novus Ordo "priests" and not conditionally ordaining them, same for confirmations.  They hardly ever speak firmly against Vatll or the bad fruits so evident today.  They now have the local "bishop" who's consecration is more than doubtful, hanging on the wall next to +Lefebvre.
It seems over the last 15 years that they gave up the fight for the truth and are afraid to make waves.  After all, they might get crucified if they speak against the Pharisees. 

Stephen Kokx on X: "An important Archbishop Lefebvre quote in light of the recent SSPX-Rome pilgrimage and the reaction it has caused among many Trads who don't even attend the Society: "This is what causes us a problem with certain layfolk, who are very nice, very good people, all for the Society, https://t.co/NjFf8WzDEC" / X

An important Archbishop Lefebvre quote in light of the recent SSPX-Rome pilgrimage and the reaction it has caused among many Trads who don't even attend the Society:

"This is what causes us a problem with certain layfolk, who are very nice, very good people, all for the Society, who accepted the Consecrations, but who have a kind of deep-down regret that they are no longer with the people they used to be with, people who did not accept the Consecrations and who are now against us. 'It's a pity we are divided,' they say, 'why not meet up with them? Let's go and have a drink together, reach out a hand to them' — that's a betrayal! Those saying this give the impression that at the drop of a hat they would cross over and join those who left us. They must make up their minds."

Yes it does seem most don’t know the forest from the trees.

Fr. Pagliarani is the “conservative”version of Bishop Fellay, same agenda, unite with the conciliar church, he even looks similar.

Sermon, neoSspx Pilgrimage 2018 at Lourdes. Fr. Pagliarani

Old news...You will read / notice that there is a sense of a struggle in this sermon..., he says the Church is absorbing modernism...Fr. P.  was  weaker at the 2025 Pilgrimage.  Google translate. Unofficial. Excerpt.
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https://www.leforumcatholique.org/print.php?num=857039

"...So, my dear brothers, we can see it clearly, this very simple and very radical program, which is the program of Our Lord, this mandate of Our Lord which will end without His kingship ceasing, this mandate which will end at the end of time, when, Saint Paul tells us, Our Lord Himself will submit to the Father, offering Him this kingdom conquered throughout history; this program of Our Lord is the program of the Church. Our Lord cannot go in one direction and His Spouse in another. This program which summarizes the entire mission of Our Lord, also summarizes the entire mission of the Church. We must recognize, with sadness, that it is from this magnificent program that the men of the Church are turning away. Why are they turning away?  Because this program of conquest is an annihilation of everything that opposes the kingdom of Our Lord. This program cannot please the world, it is impossible. And so it is the spirit of the world that penetrates the Church. Modernism is nothing else. The root of the current crisis is there. And one can say, it is only there, uniquely there. Just as Our Lord, King, has a single mission, so the Church has a single mission, which is the same: to conquer everything for Him, for Him. Likewise, all the evils from which the Church suffers today have their root there. And so, what was necessary to destroy, to try to destroy, to annihilate, this power of the world, this spirit of the world of which Saint Paul speaks, are no longer enemies, but friends;  hence the birth of this modern Christianity, the generation of this new conception of the Church* of its mission: a Christianity without cross, without sacrifice, without combat, without the desire to convert souls, to win them to Our Lord; in a word, a Christianity without Christ the King. So to know it well, and I would say there, we understand well why this dogma of our faith, this truth of the kingship of Our Lord which is so profound, was so dear to Archbishop Lefebvre. He had understood well that in this notion, all our combat is summarized, all our combat is recalled, and all our enemies are targeted..."
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* My emphasis