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Offline Benedikt

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NeoSSPX Says Mass in Modernist Rome
« on: August 21, 2025, 05:01:07 PM »
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    • Here is some more rotten fruit of Fellay’s agreement made  in 2012 with the counterfeit church: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mKbSklwDRcw
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    Offline BaldwinIV

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    Re: NeoSSPX Says Mass in Modernist Rome
    « Reply #1 on: August 21, 2025, 06:03:36 PM »
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    • Capucins of Morgon @ 2:38? They're Resistance, not SSPX.

    I checked their calendar, there's no mention of the Capucins doing any sort of pilgrimage to Rome.

    It's just a photo of a random Capucin monk.
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    Re: NeoSSPX Says Mass in Modernist Rome
    « Reply #2 on: August 21, 2025, 06:30:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: BaldwinIV on August 21, 2025, 06:03:36 PM
    Capucins of Morgon @ 2:38? They're Resistance, not SSPX.

    I checked their calendar, there's no mention of the Capucins doing any sort of pilgrimage to Rome.

    It's just a photo of a random Capucin monk.
    Interesting? Any more info on this?
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    Re: NeoSSPX Says Mass in Modernist Rome
    « Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 04:29:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: BaldwinIV on August 21, 2025, 06:03:36 PM
    Capucins of Morgon @ 2:38? They're Resistance, not SSPX.

    I checked their calendar, there's no mention of the Capucins doing any sort of pilgrimage to Rome.

    It's just a photo of a random Capucin monk.
    They are divided. However, their priests are systematically ordained by the SSPX Bishops. 
    So unfortunately they are not Resistance, even if their doctrinal position is otherwise good...
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    Re: NeoSSPX Says Mass in Modernist Rome
    « Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 10:01:04 AM »
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    • OLD Thread, but it has good doctrine that is useful for any "Resistants".


    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/**updated**-doctrinal-study-of-the-capuchins-of-morgon-(france)/msg563734/?PHPSESSID=45e4ae2ru0jgavf819320ubp34#msg563734
    Excerpt.
    "...In addition to lucidity, it is necessary to be strong, to hold out against everything, even if all the world would go against what we see to be the will of God. It requires a persevering force, against the wear and tear of time. And perseverance is above all a grace.

    Virgin as strong as an army in battle, Faithful Virgin, grant us the grace of strength and perseverance; grant it to all those we love! Saint Joseph, Patron of the Universal Church, protect us..."

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    Holy Feast of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, today...Instituted by Pius XII 1945 AD.
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    Re: NeoSSPX Says Mass in Modernist Rome
    « Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 10:43:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: Twice dyed on Yesterday at 10:01:04 AM
    Holy Feast of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, today...Instituted by Pius XII 1945 AD.


    Beautiful picture of the Sorrowful and Immaculate heart of Mary.

    "On the octave of the feast of the Assumption, the Church celebrates the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
    This liturgical cult was associated with that of the Sacred Heart of Jesus by St. John Eudes in the 17th century. Two centuries later, Popes Pius VII and Pius IX established a feast in the calendar of the universal Church with a proper Mass and Office.
    On October 31 and December 8, 1942, Pope Pius XII consecrated the human race to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Two years later, he established a new office for the Immaculate Heart for the octave day of the Assumption of the Mother of God, August 22."
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    Re: NeoSSPX Says Mass in Modernist Rome
    « Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 11:43:02 AM »
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    • The SSPX Goes to Modernist Rome, The Ecuмenical Zoo

    Pro-SSPX influencer Nicholas Cavazos was ecstatic that Modernist usurper Leo approved the event.
    “We are so back” he gleefully declared while praising Leo’s generosity.
    Apparently being “back” means women running the Vatican, priestly blessings for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, and Latin Masses being canceled in Detroit and Charlotte, North Carolina.


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    Re: NeoSSPX Says Mass in Modernist Rome
    « Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 11:53:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mr G on Yesterday at 11:43:02 AM
    The SSPX Goes to Modernist Rome, The Ecuмenical Zoo

    Pro-SSPX influencer Nicholas Cavazos was ecstatic that Modernist usurper Leo approved the event.
    “We are so back” he gleefully declared while praising Leo’s generosity.
    Apparently being “back” means women running the Vatican, priestly blessings for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, and Latin Masses being canceled in Detroit and Charlotte, North Carolina.
    Lots of fantastic coverage today on this! And this video just popped up in youtube feed: 
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    Re: NeoSSPX Says Mass in Modernist Rome
    « Reply #8 on: Yesterday at 12:14:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Benedikt on August 21, 2025, 05:01:07 PM
    Here is some more rotten fruit of Fellay’s agreement made  in 2012 with the counterfeit church:
    Couple of thoughts...

    There is objectively nothing evil going to the Vatican for a Jubilee  ...Arch M. LEFEBVRE did that in 1975, with all the priests/ seminarians of Écône.

    BUT this pilgrimage has SSPX influencer ( is that the OP video commentater?) focusing on " Here we are, we want to be part of the Church blah blah. " 
    So the impression this has in the media is that neoSspx really wants to become united to Leo XIV and the unrepentant Modernist Rome. I'd like to know what the neoSspx superior said in his sermon on Wednesday, in Calle Op...? Gotta be a Telegram user to hear it, " La Porte Latine web site. 
    Hopefully he is vocal against anything and everything that is liberal, sinful, unTrad at the Vatican.  He has the world's stage; shout■■
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    Re: NeoSSPX Says Mass in Modernist Rome
    « Reply #9 on: Yesterday at 12:41:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: Twice dyed on Yesterday at 12:14:03 PM
    Couple of thoughts...

    There is objectively nothing evil going to the Vatican for a Jubilee  ...Arch M. LEFEBVRE did that in 1975, with all the priests/ seminarians of Écône.

    BUT this pilgrimage has SSPX influencer ( is that the OP video commentater?) focusing on " Here we are, we want to be part of the Church blah blah. "
    So the impression this has in the media is that neoSspx really wants to become united to Leo XIV and the unrepentant Modernist Rome. I'd like to know what the neoSspx superior said in his sermon on Wednesday, in Calle Op...? Gotta be a Telegram user to hear it, " La Porte Latine web site.
    Hopefully he is vocal against anything and everything that is liberal, sinful, unTrad at the Vatican.  He has the world's stage; shout■■
    That video seems to be produced by the Hewkonites. Bunch of sour grapes, completely forgetting that the SSPX has organized such jubilee pilgrimages every 25 years since 1975.

    Why take the words of a so-called influencer as if it is the official position of the Society? The SSPX has always considered itself to be within the Church.

    On another note, I noticed that a beautiful large crucifix was used for this 2025 pilgrimage, compared to a simple wooden cross used in 2000. Any significance between using a simple cross vs a crucifix?
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    Re: NeoSSPX Says Mass in Modernist Rome
    « Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 12:43:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: BaldwinIV on August 21, 2025, 06:03:36 PM
    Capucins of Morgon @ 2:38? They're Resistance, not SSPX.

    I checked their calendar, there's no mention of the Capucins doing any sort of pilgrimage to Rome.

    It's just a photo of a random Capucin monk.
    The Capuchins of Morgon are still with the SSPX. Only the Avrille Dominicans have ties with the Resistance.
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    Re: NeoSSPX Says Mass in Modernist Rome
    « Reply #11 on: Yesterday at 01:20:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: trento on Yesterday at 12:43:31 PM
    Quote from: trento 2025-08-22, 10:43:31 AM
    The Capuchins of Morgon are still with the SSPX. Only the Avrille Dominicans have ties with the Resistance.
    It is very sad if this is your belief, are you resistance or part of the NeoSSPX?

    First, let’s be clear: the words of +Archbishop Lefebvre are not “influencer commentary.” They are the unvarnished teaching of the founder of the SSPX on the crisis in the Church. He repeatedly warned that Rome was in apostasy. Whether the SSPX chooses to ignore that reality today does not change the truth of his words.

    Second, yes, the Society has organized pilgrimages every 25 years, but the context matters. A pilgrimage is not an act of fidelity in itself. Walking into Rome, passing through Holy Doors, and celebrating Mass in conciliar basilicas under the authority of the apostate Vatican—especially after the 2012 Doctrinal Declaration—is not a statement of resistance; it is submission. External grandeur cannot redeem internal compromise.


     
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    Re: NeoSSPX Says Mass in Modernist Rome
    « Reply #12 on: Yesterday at 01:34:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: Twice dyed on Yesterday at 12:14:03 PM
    Quote from: Twice dyed 2025-08-22, 10:14:03 AM
    Couple of thoughts...

    There is objectively nothing evil going to the Vatican for a Jubilee  ...Arch M. LEFEBVRE did that in 1975, with all the priests/ seminarians of Écône.

    BUT this pilgrimage has SSPX influencer ( is that the OP video commentater?) focusing on " Here we are, we want to be part of the Church blah blah. "
    So the impression this has in the media is that neoSspx really wants to become united to Leo XIV and the unrepentant Modernist Rome. I'd like to know what the neoSspx superior said in his sermon on Wednesday, in Calle Op...? Gotta be a Telegram user to hear it, " La Porte Latine web site.
    Hopefully he is vocal against anything and everything that is liberal, sinful, unTrad at the Vatican.  He has the world's stage; shout■■
    As +Bishop Williamson affirmed in 1996, the battle for souls is waged in the arena of public opinion. This is why Catholic action is indispensable and why we must never remain silent or confine ourselves to private circles.
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    Re: NeoSSPX Says Mass in Modernist Rome
    « Reply #13 on: Yesterday at 04:35:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: Benedikt on Yesterday at 01:34:51 PM
    As +Bishop Williamson affirmed in 1996, the battle for souls is waged in the arena of public opinion. This is why Catholic action is indispensable and why we must never remain silent or confine ourselves to private circles.
    So, what do you, (all-knowing one?) suggest?
    Stay away, ignore the pilgrimage?
    Go on the pilgrimage as a protest March, armed with signs and banners? (Consider the likely result had this been done.)
    Follow or have unregistered groups assembled at rest stops to protest and pray, sort of like TFP?
    Have unregistered boycott groups at rest stops, advertising “the resistance”?  Specifically, which “Resistance” priests and chapels should be advertised?  All of those who consider themselves resistance? Those that are distinctly organized w/wo a bishop? Those approved by Benedikt? (If so, let him have the spine to name them.)
    Maybe traditional organizations having no standing with Rome according to Rome?  SSPV, MHT, CMRI, independent or semi-independent ie, OLMC-Fr. (Bp.?) Pfeiffer, Fr. Chazal? Fr. Gavin Bitzer- quasi-Feeneyite, Fr. Isaac Relyea, Bishops and priests associated w/+Bp. Williamson (RIP), SGG in Ohio, Archbishop Vigano? et.al. There are Many!  What, if any, role should these play?
    What about organizations that are n.o. but have been sidelined/cancelled by Rome? Coalition of Cancelled Priests? Did they go, and if so, was there action of any sort requesting reconciliation, taking a stand for any true dogma, or protest of the hierarchy’s actions?

    How about someone suggest Catholic Action that can (should?) be taken by your average traditional Catholic individual, family, or chapel who have not the financial, time, or situational resources to undertake those public actions mentioned here?

    Inquiring minds want to know!



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    Mass in Colle Op, neoSSPX, August 20, 2025
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    • Fr. P preached August 20, 2025 Colle Op. in 5 languages. 
    Here is a summary of the French part.
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     Fr. Davide Pagliarani's  Sermon, Aug. 20, 2025 AD.

    Jubilee Pilgrimage.

    Summary of the sermon.

        A special grace to be here today.
        He thanks all those who contributed to organize the Pilgrimage. And families who came from far away, what courage; their children will always remember this special grace.

        So why is our presence today so important? what reason?
    Rome is a city of martyrs. Providence has it that we have Mass  so close to the Colossium - 10,000's shed their blood for Our Lord.

       Cosmopolitan Rome, everyone could find a place.
    Christians  were asked to honor false gods, - only a few grains of incense, then everything would be Okay.  Offend Jesus, never! Adore God, serve God alone. We are here to demonstrate the same Faith...which conquered the world/paganism. It strove to convert the world. Same intentions for us now. Defend our Faith is the same as defending Our Lord...the Faith is not an opinion (of ours).
    His rights, His divinity,... the Truth.

      The world, His creation, rejected Jesus. 
       Love the truth? hear Me. Martyrs gave all for Our Lord, voila! their tortures.

      We give testimony of our Faith. At baptism, when babies, we asked  "Faith!", -  leads to Paradise.

        And to the present hierarchy, are we asking for a privilege, special consideration?  No. The Faith is what we ask. To reach eternal Life.  Then we can love Our Lord...to preach Him, so others can also love Jesus....

      Our Faith shuns the spirit of the world. He sent missionaries, to convert the world. We know One God, one batism, an only Church/Truth. One Name for us to be saved. That is our purpose here in Rome...pilgrimage. Show our profession of integrity...to God...to the Church.
    Special grace of this visit to Rome?...firm Faith in Jesus.



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