Author Topic: MORE BLENDING IN WITH THE NOVUS ORDO (Read 8402 times)

Incredulous · « **Reply #20 on:** October 06, 2016, 11:07:06 AM »

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WTH is THAT??

It's a picture from a visit Bishop Fellay made to a SSPX site in Sri Lanka. Why, does something bother you about that picture?

http://laportelatine.org/international/communic/presse/asie/2016/160417_30ans_fsspx_Inde/160417_30ans_fsspx_Inde.php

Hey, no complaints here!

I liked the pious lyrics and the Bindi dot

Bindi and its meaning

Why don't you go to India for a year (maybe volunteer at the orphanage) and come back and tell us why Catholic converts still wear the bindi. Hint: it's not to blend in with the pagans for self-protection.

Thanks for the advice JPM.

Hmm... going to India is a novel idea ?

You can bet, that when I visit there, I'm going to load-up on those Bindi dots for extra protection!

Incredulous · « **Reply #21 on:** October 06, 2016, 11:29:04 AM »

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I love it when people write about my home who have most likely never been here and get all their info from some disgruntled person or other. In our chapel, which was built as a refectory originally by the Jesuits for their seminary, there is a beautiful stained glass window of Bishop Miege. He was an extremely important part of the history of St. Mary's and particularly our campus. This was an Indian Mission and he was also important to the Pottawatomie. We in St. Mary's have always been interested in the history of the town. For many years the halls of the College have been lined with the photographs of Jesuit priests who were here and the buildings as they used to be. Archbishop Lefebvfe, in fact, encouraged all of this. He had no interest in setting himself up as a focal point of the place. He wanted the Church and the Church history to be important. There is a little Indian Mission museum just off the campus with tons of historical artifacts about the saintly missionary priests who lived and worked among the Indians. This is a good thing, not a negative.

I have lived in St. Mary's for many decades, probably more years than many of you have been alive. If there are any here who don't know Archbishop Lefebvre it is because they are either brand new to tradition and accidentally fell upon this place, or they are deaf, dumb and blind. Many of us who live here knew him, listened to his sermons, conferences, spoke and walked with him. My son sat on his lap as a small boy while the Archbishop spoke with the press. Why, you can't even spell his name correctly. What do you even know about him?

I am completely against any deal with Rome until it converts. But I am also completely against unfortunates who know nothing but talk about everything. You do harm and you wrong this little town. I'll wager there is more true Catholicism concentrated in this place than you will find anywhere else in the country. On Sunday we had another candlelight rosary procession through our town praying the 15 decades for the triumph of Our Lady's Immaculate Heart and for the consecration of Russia. At one point our rector and our mayor, both former St. Mary's Academy students, formally consecrated this town to Our Lady and put it under Her protection. He knows what is coming. Chastisement is around the corner, any day now we will be facing war and financial collapse. Why don't you spend some extra time praying the rosary and stop gossiping about this place that was dedicated by Archbishop Lefebvre and which he prophesied would become a great center of Catholicism in the United States. St. Mary's is a glorious place to live if you love God, Our Lady, the Church and your greatest desire is Heaven by the straightest possible path. I'm sure that my comments will be displeasing to most here who simply live to find fault with the Society of St. Pius X. It is a sad preoccupation.

Thanks for clarifying the history on Bishop John Baptiste Miege and St. Mary's.

And considering Jesuit Father Pierre-jean de Smet's work in the area, most of us will agree it is Holy ground.

But your last line appears to reveal your SSPX bias.

The problem is: the xSPX is currently occupying Holy ground and it is every Catholic's duty to call them out on their errors of collaboration with newChurch.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #22 on:** October 06, 2016, 11:32:58 AM »

I agree with Matthew and others about St. Mary's and the field named after the bishop from 150 years back. Nothing wrong with it at all.

With that in mind, let me knitpick a little and say that the photos from the trip to India do seem to show an underlying "conciliar spirit". The "shawl", the Bindi dots, and I also happened to notice a statue of the Risen Christ. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the statue of the Risen Christ (of course not), but it reminds me how it has completely replaced crucifixes in Novus Ordo parishes and seems to take away from the unbloody Sacrifice and emphasize that the Mass is all about the Pascual Mystery. Risen Christ has been a central theme for Protestant pseudo-Catholics for some time, so much so that Paul VI has his own monstrosity named after him in the Vatican.

My point is that you would rarely, if ever, see statues of the Risen Christ at Mass chapels in Tradition or pre-V2 and though it is not heretical, strictly speaking, it does lend itself to an heretical interpretation of the Mass as not being the unbloody Sacrifice on Calvary.

Student of Qi · « **Reply #23 on:** October 06, 2016, 01:03:09 PM »

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Not pointed directly at you Centroamerica.

Since people are needlessly scandalized by the bindi and the shawl it appears necessary to point out that many Indian Catholic converts choose to keep the bindi as a sign of their path to conversion. In areas of radical Hindus, and illegal conversion, this is NOT an indication of a lack of Faith. They are not cowering, rather, they are, in certain respects placing a bulls-eye on themselves. Essentially saying to the dominant Hindus, 'I used to follow your false religion and now I am Catholic.

As for the golden cloth shawl, it is a custom, especially in southern India to present to dignitaries. That's it. That's all.

Incidentally, it was a French missionary priest that created a machine to extract silk from dozens of spiders at the same time to make shawls like this.

There are thousands of beautiful cultural and traditional practices that you are missing out on just because 'I've never seen that done before so it must be weird.' Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean it's wrong.

To a degree I understand the Bindi custom. It becomes a custom which is Christianized, like the Easter Bunny and Christmas Trees and Easter Eggs (Which are presumably Persian).

I'll bet some Catholics thought it was sinful to gift Easter eggs back in the day, since they have roots in Persian Spring Festivals. Now, some German folk even make annual Easter Egg Trees that look like pysanki. It would be unthinkable to throw the customs away!

P.S. I have read that the Chinese lords distributed painted eggs at their spring fests as far as 3000 - 4000 years ago.

cosmas · « **Reply #24 on:** October 06, 2016, 01:53:27 PM »

My point was sidetracked, I know Bishop Miege's history with Saint Mary's etc. What i'm tring to get across is the fact that the Academy has taken away the identifying marks ,which was a big wooden sign out on Highway 24 in front of the Academy. It specifically said ,Saint Mary's Academy and College run by the Society of Pius X. Now they have new signs at two locations with nothing about the Society. You drive into Saint Marys and you have a public high school called Saint Marys,you have a Novus Ordo church on main street. Hows anybody going to know where Saint Marys Academy is ? They had a great sign before letting every passing person know by just looking at the sign. Once again why not call it Archbishop Lefebre Field. Yes Matthew I know Bishop Miege lived 150 yrs ago before there was a counciliar church. My feeling is why not promote the founder of the Society.