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Offline Banezian

Re: Modern Science and the SSPX
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2018, 10:14:10 AM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on October 13, 2018, 10:01:12 AM
Modernist science (i.e. which was started by anti-catholic Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ (i.e. the "modernists) to attack the Church) is opposed to the Church Fathers' teachings and also the Magisteriums of the Middle Ages (when the Church was at the HEIGHT of orthodoxy).  Fr Robinson supports modern science at the expense of the Church Fathers and previous magisterial teachings.  Ergo, Fr Robinson is a modernist (in this one area).
Nonsnse, the Fathers are not infallible on science. Leo XIII explicitly states that the scientist must stay with in his field, and the theologian within his field. Heliocentrism and the Old Earth are scientific facts. Denying them makes Catholics look silly 
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Modern Science and the SSPX
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2018, 10:40:50 AM »
You're defending Heliocentrism and I'm attacking evolution (the errors of evolution could've never come about without the errors of heliocentrism first, but evolution's errors are far more nefarious than heliocentric's sun worship (which is satanic, by the way)).  The Church Fathers' didn't have much to say on flat earth/geo/heliocentrism, but they had GOBS to say about Genesis, and Adam/Eve and creationism.  Science doesn't support evolution, neither does the Church and neither does the Bible.  

Fr Robinson's main error is that he drives a wedge between Scripture and the Church, by falsely ignoring the Church Fathers and lying that the Church has never taught anything related to Science/creationism.  Therefore, he argues, we are free to believe what modern science says (even though the facts don't support evolution) about Genesis, because the origins of the world are in the realm of science and not religion.  Pure Garbage.
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Offline Stanley N

Re: Modern Science and the SSPX
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2018, 10:55:08 AM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on October 13, 2018, 10:40:50 AM
Fr Robinson's main error is that he drives a wedge between Scripture and the Church, by falsely ignoring the Church Fathers and lying that the Church has never taught anything related to Science/creationism.  Therefore, he argues, we are free to believe what modern science says (even though the facts don't support evolution) about Genesis, because the origins of the world are in the realm of science and not religion.  Pure Garbage.
Have you read the book? I have, and while I don't agree with parts of it, iI don't recall the author "falsely ignoring the Church Fathers and lying that the Church has never taught anything related to Science/creationism". Nor does he say anything like "we are free to believe what modern science says". 

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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Modern Science and the SSPX
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2018, 11:12:44 AM »
Fr does not directly say these things, but he implies them. If you read Sungenis’ response to his book on the other thread, Sungenis explains how Fr glosses over certain facts which erroneously allows him to accept modern science’s views, even when they are contrary to the history of the Church.  
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Offline Neil Obstat

Re: Modern Science and the SSPX
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2018, 11:15:52 AM »
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Pope Pius XII did a dangerous thing when he left open the door for Catholics to believe in evolution.
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The bottom line is that evolution always has as its primary goal, to undermine the dogma of original sin.
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