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Offline MaterDominici

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Re: Man arrested for email
« Reply #195 on: July 03, 2025, 04:41:12 PM »
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  • He was evidently ordained in the Conciliar Church?  I suspect that either +Vigano or +Williamson then conditionally ordained him.  +Vigano repented of at least having worked with him, if not conditionally ordaining him, having said he and +Williamson had been deceived.
    He was not a priest in the Conciliar Church, only a deacon.

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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #196 on: July 03, 2025, 04:47:18 PM »
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  • Reputation is important for a Christian. One cannot do as one wants. We set an example. We are expressly told to always show good conduct. Not just by the Apostles but by Our Lord himself -

    1 Peter 2:12

    Keep your conduct among the Gentiles honorable, so that when they  speak against you as evildoers, they may see your good deeds and glorify  God on the day of visitation.

    Matthew 5:16

    In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.

    Perhaps given the celebrity status of the gentleman in question, he reacted in this way especially since he may have found the relevant authorities slow in acting. This might establish why the course of events took place.

    In which case, to avoid situations like this, people should be as up-front as possible. This is to avoid scandal. And indeed, a scandal has occurred here. And for every action there is a reaction.

    So if this was triggered by delay and obfuscation, then little wonder the police got involved. The status of the "priest" should be clarified as soon as possible.


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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #197 on: July 04, 2025, 04:58:39 PM »
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  • Matthew, ban this piece of trash here for making all Traditional Catholics look bad.  This despicable piece of work now declares +Vigano to be a liar simply because of his past of having had a high rank in the Conciliar Church.  He's a complete scuмbag, both for giving fuel to the impression that Trads to defend predators in the intersts of preserving their anti-Conciliar cult (as evidenced by this comment here and taken together with the prior one) as well as for the slander itself.

    This guy needs to be banned for calumny and slander against +Vigano.  This has been going on here for a long time unchecked, where various moronic buffoons were accusing +Vigano of everything from Luciferian Sun Worshipper to Freemason because he had used an Italian rendering of "Amen" that can be found in pre-Vatican II Missals.

    I've about had enough of it, and the longer you let this go on unabated, Matthew, the more you too become an accomplice in calumny and slander.  That appears to be par for the course, so I wonder where some get the impression that we're a ridiculous cult who aid, abet, and condone pretty much anything and everything, including calumny and slander ... to to defend this Traddie movement that stinks more and more every day of being rotten to the core.

    Until this guy gets banned ... I'm done here.

    There’s nothing untrue about my statement on Vigano.

    But notice how Lads… the guy with the admitted CIA connection is first to lead topic misdirections?

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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #198 on: July 04, 2025, 05:09:58 PM »
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  • Until this guy gets banned ... I'm done here.

    How many times in the past (12) months have you made this same threat… and reneged on it?
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #199 on: July 05, 2025, 08:49:55 AM »
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  • How many times in the past (12) months have you made this same threat… and reneged on it?

    Sounds like an enforceable contract, no?


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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #200 on: July 05, 2025, 04:02:46 PM »
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  • https://www.pressreader.com/ireland/belfast-telegraph/20250415/281556591665695

    The above article may answer a number questions raised here on this forum with regards to the back ground of Mr. Kerry Michael Moran ('Fr. Fake' as Dr. Kavanagh calls him). Respectfully I address him as Mr. given that he was officially laicized as a deacon and as far I understand, can only be canonically reinstated to the clerical state with a special dispensation from the Holy See. This of course brings into question the validly of his alleged ordination, especially as he was laicised only last year (June 2024) and yet presented himself as an ordained pries less than a year later. Again, I use the word alleged, because it is shrouded in secrecy; no one knows who ordained him, when he was ordained, or whether he is simply claiming to be ordained. Perhaps, and I am speculating, this is what His Grace Archbishop Vigano was alluding to when he said himself and His Lordship Bishop Williamson had been deceived. What is certain is that this Mr. Moran has a long recorded history of being moved from place to place due to inappropriate behavior with minors. And as a Ladislaus outlined earlier, an innocent man, who cared about the faithful, would never insert himself into the homes of young children until he name about been formerly cleared.



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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #201 on: July 05, 2025, 10:08:13 PM »
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  • I also have slightly more info on this situation (not the conclusion to this drama, just some non-public emails), but I'm going to wait until Friday to post it, as I want to give them enough time to respond (or not respond). I also want to see how the situation will unfold until then without my input - but if the person in question refuses to respond to me, I'll have to post it.
    Any update?

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    « Reply #202 on: July 06, 2025, 05:53:48 AM »
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  • Any update?

    Well I still tried to wait for a response, but nothing. I also don't want to unnecessarily reveal anything private without necessity, but I guess the necessity is given now.

    Basically, my involvement is this: Over the course of 3 - 4 months, I built a site for Resistance apologetics which includes a full map of all Resistance priests / Mass locations: https://dubia.cc/ - not just to convert other Catholics, but also to refute Protestants, Orthodox, Atheists, etc. Because ever so often, you'd get asked "are you in a cult?", "science disproves God", etc. A friend of mine (also Resistance, with a YouTube channel where he does debates) wrote about 300 - 400 articles, but they're not well-sourced. We are working to get them signed off by a priest (Fr. Lang, who is still with the SSPX but resisted in 2012), so that I don't accidentally make theological errors. Basically "TradCatholic Answers".

    On the website I also maintain a "Where are we?" map of all Resistance priests and Mass locations. Naturally, I have vested interested in keeping a list of "clean" Resistance priests (i.e. priests who are validly ordained, not shady, etc.). I go around handing people business cards with a link to that site if they ask what I believe and "where to go to Mass":



    It's a very effective way of evangelization. But I cannot go around handing people these cards while listing potentially shady priests. I already took Fr. Abraham and Fr. Peignot off my list and I won't list their Mass locations, for good reason.

    So this is why, SEVEN WEEKS AGO, I wrote to Broadstairs, after I noticed the "decrevi" Video that started it all (has been deleted in the meantime). Because of the "decrevi" Video, someone added the scandal to Wikipedia. So I wrote to Broadstairs on 20th of May:

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    [...] What I will remark is that the British group really needs to clear up the „dodgy priest“ allegations, because the German Wikipedia page now slanders the Resistance as hiding pedos. Basically the story is this: +Morgan handed out a phone number of a priest who was kicked out by the diocese based on „child molestation rumors“ and then worked with the Resistance. Then he „behaved weirdly“ at one Mass and the host, „Dr. K“, phoned +Morgan for clarification and +Morgan blocked him, which confused „Dr. K“. Then Dr. K made a YT video alarming people and now we have a PR disaster (thanks to some Irish YouTuber). And then some German leftists put this on the SSPX Resistance Wikipedia page.

    Now I say: it was reported to the police, the police didn’t find anything so far, so a simple statement by +Morgan „the priest hasn’t been officially convicted, so we still work with him“ would be enough, just to get leftists off our back. If you could forward this to +Morgan, that’d be great. Fr. Hewko also defended +Morgan here, so Fr. Hewko is not in principle sectarian. Forgive him his faults. [...]
    The response came back on the same day:

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    [...] Over here, the Resistance (although I dont like that name) is doing well with regular Masses and reasonable numbers. I must say the 'dodgy priests' allegations are complete nonsense. In fact with the recent claims, the couple who started the rumours a few months ago were arrested by the Police and charged with criminal harassment. Clearly the Police believed the allegations were nonsense. As BpW often said the Church ways are different from the ways of the world and so statements are not put out against these defamations and lies. The Church has never operated like that. All the so-called resistants know the truth. 
    So, Broadstairs knew that there were arrests going on, even back in May (now we have July, seven weeks later). This does not necessarily mean that Broadstairs created the harrassment campaign, but it strongly supports that theory.

    At the time I didn't realize that by "the couple" they meant Dr. K and his wife, otherwise I would have been more suspicious of their same-day response. I assumed it was some third-party couple running around creating rumors about this priest. So I thought "okay, there's some couple running around making rumors about a priest, let the police clear it up". So I took their response at face value and didn't investigate further.

    Now however, it turned out that the "harassment police arrest" was over simple E-Mails, which obviously makes me more suspicious of Broadstairs actions and "defense", since a full-blown police report is a severe escalation. So, two days after the video that started this thread (on 27th of June), I wrote another E-Mail, since I remembered that the Broadstairs group clearly knows about the situation, asking them to clarify what their perspective is - what do they know?

    I also asked them for rough Mass locations in the meantime (so I could put them on dubia, just the rough locations, so I can list the contact information for Mass coordination together with the location), to which I just got the response:

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    It is probably best to have me down for the whole of England and if anyone is visiting England they can use this email address which I check every day. Bishop Ballini is in charge of Ireland and I think he would want the same security measures because we have suffered so much at the hands of the media, even Bishop Williamson's funeral got two bad newspaper articles.
    So, they don't want to hand out Mass locations because of journalists. All I can say is that so far, the Mass locations are not a problem (most are not the real locations anyway, it's just the town name where the Mass location is, not the physical house address). Bp. Stobnicki had zero problems for example giving me his locations. Again, it's weird that they want to run all communication through Broadstairs but at the time I wasn't suspicious yet:


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    Hi [name],

    yeah that’s no problem I just need „rough locations“ or town names, like Bp Stobnicki gave me: for the E-Mail contact, I’ll just put in your E-Mail. The map is just supposed to „show presence“, so that someone can see „okay there is a mass location somewhere in Exampleshire“. [...] Has Bp Ballini been "kicked out" of Ireland? At least I heard that from Fr. Marcel.
    I didn't receive a response. Then, two days after this thread was started, I remembered that Broadstairs knew about the situation and reached out again:


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    Hi [name],

    besides the missing Mass locations (okay fine, I’ll just send everyone in the UK to you for Mass coordination), the problem is that this „dodgy priest“ situation now turned into a complete PR disaster for the Resistance because of the police arrest of „Dr. K“ and his wife. This "Dr. K.“ guy now made a YT video with 300k views about his „harassment arrest“ over E-Mails. He says he wrote angry E-Mails because he was being blocked over being referred to a shady „priest“. Something extremely weird is going on here. I beg of you to please make some blog post or respond to this E-Mail: What is exactly going on? Where is +Ballini? Where is +Morgan? Why did Dr. K get blocked (mistake?)? What relation does this „priest“ have with the Resistance? Is he even a priest? The „priest“ (Fr. Kerry Moran?) seems to have been only a deacon. Who ordained him, +Viganó, BpW? It’s unlikely that multiple dioceses conspired against one guy, who won’t even say who ordained him.

    The Church has indeed defended herself against false allegations (e.g. Cardinal Rampolla was defended against Masonic allegations by Church officials), I’m not buying that excuse. But silence breeds rumor, which we need to avoid. It’ll only get worse with silence. I personally just want to resist liberalism (I’m not pro-Hewko, as you know) - but „we have few priests" cannot be an excuse for taking in any priest claiming persecution or arresting people for writing E-Mails warning about a specific „priest“. I cannot seriously recruit people for the SSPX Resistance while this scandal is going on: https://archive.is/IhB8C 

    What is weird about this Dr. K. guy is that he is running around in shades, even in Church, and makes videos with indecently clothed women. But other than that, +Morgan did celebrate in his chapel and he otherwise doesn’t seem to have a reason for lying (Social media fame? Wanting to randomly destroy the Resistance, why, he’s not leftist?). On the other hand, now the police sent 3 cars to arrest him, which is severely disproportionate for just „harassment“. Maybe because of his videos (which have now been taken down?), but then it would be better to simply refute him.

    Sorry for asking, but the situation simply doesn’t look good for +Ballini and +Morgan. Why are they so silent? If the bishops made a mistake with the blocking + arrest, it would be better to own up to it now, rather than making matters worse and ignoring everything. Mistakes / deceptions can happen, but I don’t understand why a simple „sorry we accidentally recommended the wrong priest“ has to turn into a PR disaster with 300k+ people watching. Being persecuted for defending the Faith is one thing, being persecuted for making a mistake is another.

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    Clearly the Police believed the allegations were nonsense.
    Not really, the police is simply bound to investigate if a warrant is filed, no matter what. However, why would an full arrest warrant be filed over simple E-Mails? You can simply block them, answer them saying it was a mistake, etc. An escalation to a full-blown arrest looks extremely bad, as if we’re covering up something. The faithful are now confused as to who’s telling the truth and whether the UK / Irish Resistance bishops are still trustworthy, because they are so secretive / silent. I will defend a priests good name, but this weird secrecy because „we cannot defend ourselves publicly“ has to stop. Even if it’s all lies, then please just say so.

    The good news is that we now have a Resistance group going in Germany, but PLEASE clear up the situation. 

    In Christ,

    [my name]
    So, this was on 27th of June (one week ago). I haven't received a response in a week, and, given that "I check this e-mail every day", I suppose I won't ever get a response. To sum up, Broadstairs:

    - Knew about the situation since seven weeks ago
    - Alleged to the police arrest as a "proof of guilt" on Kavanaughs part
    - Doesn't want to hand out contacts / locations of any UK priests, to "protect against journalists"
    - Doesn't want to clarify whats going on


    I'm trying to find a best-case interpretation, but, given this poor communcation, I cannot list Broadstairs or Bp. Morgan himself as a good Mass location anymore, until I know what's going on.

    At least on my part, I did what I could: I just want to write this up so nobody in the future can say "oh the Resistance covers up pedo priests" or "dubia.cc lists pedo / invalid priests" - no, I clearly don't, I removed roughly nearly a third of all priests (marked in red): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16wO1gTdilEcdqsWfJ0mZn-hgYD2MRJ1SCKSAHzcDj18/edit?gid=1507791103#gid=1507791103


    I brought up this topic in person with Fr. Marcel de la Croix, but he didn't know more than I do - although he has occasional physical contact with Broadstairs. I will now try to get the UK Mass locations in another way, other than Broadstairs. Potentially I could contact +Viganó or +Stobnicki, but that still wouldn't give clarity on what is going on in the UK.

    My issue is not whether Fr. Moran is guilty or not: my issue is the horribly poor "I'll just ignore answering my e-mails and hope the problem will go away" type of communication of Broadstairs. I have no idea what's going on in the UK. So, until they fix their situation, I won't list them anymore. Simple as that and it's all I can do.

    I hope this addresses any rumors and invalidates the idea that the Resistance would just "sweep it under the rug" - however, until Broadstairs / Bp. Morgan responds, there's no real point in speculating their motives. 
    Just in case anyone in the future will say that "the Resistance is a cult that just covers up scandals" - well, I did what I could. Pray for +Morgan and Broadstairs.



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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #203 on: July 06, 2025, 10:12:46 AM »
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  • Well I still tried to wait for a response, but nothing. I also don't want to unnecessarily reveal anything private without necessity, but I guess the necessity is given now.

    Thank you for the in depth explanation.  Prayers for +Morgan, and clarity with all involved. :pray:
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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #204 on: July 06, 2025, 10:18:01 AM »
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  • So in all of this, multiple attempts have been made (Piano guy and BaldwinIV) to find out who and when ordained Fr Moran.  And still no answer.  This should be public knowledge.  

    You can make the decision to ignore accusations of assault but you can’t make the decision to ignore questions of ordination.  This is a very concerning leadership (or lack thereof) decision from the Resistance.  Not good.  They need some common sense. 

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    « Reply #205 on: July 06, 2025, 11:14:47 AM »
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    1. Knew about the situation since seven weeks ago
    2. Alleged to the police arrest as a "proof of guilt" on Kavanaughs part
    3. Doesn't want to hand out contacts / locations of any UK priests, to "protect against journalists"
    4. Doesn't want to clarify whats going on


    This requires a bit of a response --

    Point 2 was the most disturbing. That arrest could very well have been over nothing, as alleged by Kavanaugh. This is modern day Britain for crying out loud. YES British authorities would do such a thing. Britain's dystopian totalitarian lack of freedom has become a meme: "You have a loicense for that spoon, mate?"

    And their excuse "The Church's ways aren't the world's ways" is just that -- an excuse. Yes, the Church doesn't operate just like the world with things like reputation, free speech, etc. But there's a logical fallacy in there somewhere.

    First of all, we don't have the normal Church structure, including a parallel Judicial system. Normally clerics, upon being tonsured, gain one privilege among others: they are now dealt with in Ecclesiastical courts, and have a right to NOT get taken to any secular court. Those were the good old days. BUT -- the Church took care of it. They took care of all complaints, they took care of any law-breaking priests. They did their job.

    You're saying the Resistance, or even the broader world of Tradition, has such a thing? Don't make me laugh! It's all up to the individual integrity of each independent Trad bishop. Sorry, that's not sufficient. That's why THE CLOSEST THING the Trad world has to "protection against pedo priests" is a popular, censorship-free public platform for sharing information across continents. But also a platform that strives to adhere to basic Catholic morality (censoring known lies, anti-Catholic material, smut, heretical tracts, etc.) because you don't want a free-for-all either. (Anyone who's moderated a forum with more than 100 people, for longer than a year, knows that "zero censorship" is a utopian pipe dream.) Yes, I'm talking about CathInfo (if I do say so myself). It is NOT a replacement for Ecclesiastical courts. But it's all we got.
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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #206 on: July 06, 2025, 11:19:51 AM »
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  • This sounds really bad; you should clarify what you mean:


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    At least on my part, I did what I could: I just want to write this up so nobody in the future can say "oh the Resistance covers up pedo priests" or "dubia.cc lists pedo / invalid priests" - no, I clearly don't, I removed roughly nearly a third of all priests (marked in red): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16wO1gTdilEcdqsWfJ0mZn-hgYD2MRJ1SCKSAHzcDj18/edit?gid=1507791103#gid=1507791103

    Come on, guy, red-lining a priest because he's deceased, or sedevacantist, is not the same as re-lining because of skeletons in his closet or having "a past".
    You shouldn't confuse the two. Your statement above sounds like you had to remove 1/3 of Resistance priests due to pedophilia. That is a misleading, click-baitey statement. And honestly, I don't think you meant to say that.
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    « Reply #207 on: July 06, 2025, 11:26:47 AM »
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  • He was not a priest in the Conciliar Church, only a deacon.
    This is a bit intriguing...Fr. Fake, (as a Deacon very probably?) gets dismissed June 6, 2024, and, Voilà! he already knows how to say the Trad Tridentine mass!? There are two FSSP locations in that diocese  so we could presume he was familiar with the Latin liturgy. So   when Fr.Fake was in Broadstairs ( July ?August? 2024), did +W give him extra training? Ask any seminarian and they will tell you that learning all the rubrics, gestures etc for saying mass is quite complicated. Surely there must have been red flags noticed by some of our bishops
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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #208 on: July 06, 2025, 11:30:17 AM »
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  • You need a serious update for Bp. Trinh.

    1. He is not "diocesan" at all. The simple fact of being formed outside the SSPX "at some point in the past" does not equal diocesan.
    2. Related to #1, he is very much a TRADITIONAL priest/bishop, operating independent chapels according to the manner of the Traditional Movement. There is no part of him that could be REMOTELY described as conciliar, novus, indult, or diocesan.
    3. As for his lineage, he is a valid bishop. Consecrated by an SSPX bishop, and when he couldn't get docuмents/proof of that, he got conditionally consecrated by Bp. Slupski. He's definitely a bishop.
    4. He is very prudent/cautious about his apostolate, after the manner of "Traditional pioneer" priests coming from Communist countries -- like Fr. Slupski. Having known both men IRL, I can say that Bp. Trinh reminded me a lot of Bp. Slupski. Probably because they both had to fight Communism personally: one was from Vietnam, the other from Poland.

    As I've said on CathInfo many times, I was raised in a Traditional chapel, with Fr. Frank Slupski as my priest. He want by "Fr. Frank" not because he was novus ordo, but because it was harder for the Stasi to track. He learned through tough life experience to be careful with one's personal information, etc.
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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #209 on: July 06, 2025, 11:33:01 AM »
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  • Ask any seminarian and they will tell you that learning all the rubrics, gestures etc for saying mass is quite complicated. Surely there must have been red flags noticed by some of our bishops

    As an ex-seminarian, I would say the exact opposite. At the Seminary, a man began to learn how to say Mass WEEKS before his Ordination to the priesthood. Sure, he might have planned ahead a bit and learned some of the prayers -- I don't know how much of that went on. But:

    1. Fr. Goettler only began training deacons to say Mass a number of weeks before Ordinations
    2. The common opinion, in various Trad circles, is that "learning to say Mass is the easy part". It's the Traditional training: morality, theology, philosophy, history, Liturgy, Scripture, Latin that takes years.
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