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« Reply #150 on: Yesterday at 04:10:45 AM »
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  • The video accusing CathInfo of complicity has been made 'private' now.

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    « Reply #151 on: Yesterday at 06:25:37 AM »
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  • I'm just going to leave a second photo here, it's Bp. Morgan (as a bishop already) celebrating Mass at Dr. Ks chapel. It's from the German Wikipedia article "Paul Morgan (priest)"



    Also @Truthy, if you attach an image via "attachment", non-logged in users (i.e. strangers who are now reading this thread) can't see it - so here is the image again for everybody:



    I also have slightly more info on this situation (not the conclusion to this drama, just some non-public emails), but I'm going to wait until Friday to post it, as I want to give them enough time to respond (or not respond). I also want to see how the situation will unfold until then without my input - but if the person in question refuses to respond to me, I'll have to post it.
    Thank you Baldwin and Truthy for sharing this information.

    Prayers for Dr. K, Bishop Morgan and everyone involved.  :pray:
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    « Reply #152 on: Yesterday at 09:00:59 AM »
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  • Yeah, but you're just splitting hairs here ... as those terms apply at least legally, and that suffices.  I think everyone is aware that 18 tends to be the cutoff age for transitioning from child to adult, and that those terms apply from a legal standpoint even if you want to argue that it's not true from a "natural" one.  I find that you're spending way too much time definding this guy from semantic "impropriety" when at the end of the day it doesn't matter, and the guy is a threat.  Not sure why you're so zealous about defefending him from being labeled a "child abuser" or "pedophile" ... when those terms are applicable according to legal standards and therefore not inappropriate nor in any way slanderous.
    I'm "zealously defending" someone whom you believe can be appropriately labeled a "pedophile"? I resent what's being insinuated!

    What we know:
    Fr. Moran was found guilty of "acts contrary to the sixth commandments with a minor".

    Those are Canon law terms. We know nothing about what he was found guilty of by the state, or if he was. No one has provided any evidence of him being tried and convicted by the state.

    I am opposed to immediately labeling him a "child abuser" or "pedophile" because that is not necessarily the case. There is insufficient evidence to label him either of those things, because they mean specific things, and we do not have specifics. For instance, IF the "minor" involved was 17 and the "act" was fornication then neither of those terms would be appropriate. In that case they are the dialect of the enemy. Calling a 17 year old a "child" is the dialect of the enemy. It falsely removes culpability from those already past the age of reason. Do you not think it sinister that the majority of people have been led to believe that a, say, 15 year old lacks the mental faculties necessary to "consent" to certain sins? That is a, literally, damnable notion and I pity the youth it has been instilled in.

    AGAIN, because this is apparently necessary, I am NOT defending ANYTHING Fr Moran has done. There is enough evidence to label him a threat, to avoid him and to make others aware of him
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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #153 on: Yesterday at 10:05:05 AM »
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  • Did I miss the evidence that +Morgan or +Ballini was the superior or working with Moran?  Saying mass at the same private chapel doesn't seem to equate to that.  I'm confused.

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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #154 on: Yesterday at 10:16:55 AM »
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  • Did I miss the evidence that +Morgan or +Ballini was the superior or working with Moran?  Saying mass at the same private chapel doesn't seem to equate to that.  I'm confused.

    One of them allegedly vouched for Fr. Moran, and had him come to Kavanaugh's chapel in the first place. According to Kavanaugh. And there's no reason he would lie about that.
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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #155 on: Yesterday at 10:19:40 AM »
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  • I am astounded that so many trads accept as fact and gospel the so-called proceedings from an inquiry in the Conciliar Church. They reject most everything from the Conciliarists but are happy to believe these things without question. How utterly bizarre! Think of the criticism aimed at Bishop Williamson for accepting the apparitions of Our Lady at Akita because they were authorised by an Concilar Bishop. Perhaps the salaciousness of the accusations help these trads not question them, because after all we all love a bit of scandal?

    Is nobody aware of how these Conciliar Churchmen can be vicious and vindictive when they have been caught out, or their friends have been caught out. Look at this article to see the intimidation use when they have been crossed - https://www.ncronline.org/news/cardinals-former-diocese-denies-claim-clerical-sɛҳuąƖ-abuse-cover  and scroll down to read these relevant paragraphs about the canon lawyer, Fr Arrascue taking on an abuse case and so upsetting the Conciliar authorities  --

    In another surprising twist of events, a canon lawyer representing the victims, Father Ricardo Coronado Arrascue, has been sanctioned by the Peruvian bishops conference, which said, in an unsigned Aug. 22 statement, that the lawyer could no longer practice as a canonist in Peru and therefore could not continue to defend his current clients.
    His native Diocese of Cajamarca informed the priest Aug. 29 that a complaint had been filed against him with the Dicastery of the Clergy at the Vatican for an alleged unspecified crime "contra sextum," or against the Sixth Commandment, and that the same Dicastery offers him the possibility of making a voluntary request to the pope to ask for dispensation from the priesthood under penalty of "the start of an administrative criminal trial."

    As for Fr Moran, where are the Court cases in relation to these supposed incidents? There are none! What does the vetting service report in each of the countries concerned? Irish Vetting Service - no criminal record. Ministry of Justice in Martinique - no criminal record. DBS check in the UK reveals no criminal record. And NOTE WELL, all cases of clerical abuse in Martinique from 2021 are automatically reported to the Police there. So, clearly there are no cases against Fr Moran.




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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #156 on: Yesterday at 10:38:21 AM »
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  • As for the Kavanaghs, it is interesting to note that they emailed Martinique and Abp Vigano, days after the funeral of Bishop Williamson, which took place on 26th February, to which they were not invited because of their increasingly erratic and disturbing behaviour. Fr Moran visited their barn chapel in September 2024, so why did they do nothing for almost six months but still keep up the video of Fr Moran's visit after all these 'red flags' ? (Oh, wait a minute, it means more YouTube viewings which is what they live for).  Did they ultimately just pursue this harassment because they were upset at not being invited to Bishop Williamson's funeral? Why have they been so vicious and vindictive towards Bishop Morgan who has only been kindness itself to them? 

    May God have mercy on them for what they have done.




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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #157 on: Yesterday at 10:44:55 AM »
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  • I am astounded that so many trads accept as fact and gospel the so-called proceedings from an inquiry in the Conciliar Church.
    Not sure how it works in Britain, but in the US, any charge of 'guilt' is handed down by the civil courts, not the Church itself.  So when the 'British V2 authorities' said that Fr Moran was found guilty, I just assumed this came from a court/judge decision.  If Fr Moran's "guilt" came only from the V2 church, then you are totally correct and this charge is dubious.

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    As for the Kavanaghs, it is interesting to note that they emailed Martinique and Abp Vigano, days after the funeral of Bishop Williamson, which took place on 26th February, to which they were not invited because of their increasingly erratic and disturbing behaviour. Fr Moran visited their barn chapel in September 2024, so why did they do nothing for almost six months but still keep up the video of Fr Moran's visit after all these 'red flags' ?
    More good info and backstory.

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    (Oh, wait a minute, it means more YouTube viewings which is what they live for).  Did they ultimately just pursue this harassment because they were upset at not being invited to Bishop Williamson's funeral? Why have they been so vicious and vindictive towards Bishop Morgan who has only been kindness itself to them?
    Yes, it seems that the change from +W to +Morgan caused them "issues", which they are now lashing out about.



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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #158 on: Yesterday at 10:56:27 AM »
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  • Is nobody aware of how these Conciliar Churchmen can be vicious and vindictive when they have been caught out, or their friends have been caught out. Look at this article to see the intimidation use when they have been crossed - https://www.ncronline.org/news/cardinals-former-diocese-denies-claim-clerical-sɛҳuąƖ-abuse-cover  and scroll down to read these relevant paragraphs about the canon lawyer, Fr Arrascue taking on an abuse case and so upsetting the Conciliar authorities  --

    In another surprising twist of events, a canon lawyer representing the victims, Father Ricardo Coronado Arrascue, has been sanctioned by the Peruvian bishops conference, which said, in an unsigned Aug. 22 statement, that the lawyer could no longer practice as a canonist in Peru and therefore could not continue to defend his current clients.
    His native Diocese of Cajamarca informed the priest Aug. 29 that a complaint had been filed against him with the Dicastery of the Clergy at the Vatican for an alleged unspecified crime "contra sextum," or against the Sixth Commandment, and that the same Dicastery offers him the possibility of making a voluntary request to the pope to ask for dispensation from the priesthood under penalty of "the start of an administrative criminal trial."





    "Cases" like this are highly unlikely and rare.

    This would be like an Is-raylee official having a falling out with someone, and publicly accusing him of various war crymz. Um...they have more than enough PR troubles with that one. Why would they start something, which gives themselves a black eye in the process? It would make them look almost as bad as the guy they're attacking.

    If the fellow gov't official supposedly committed w-r crymz, there must have been banned "supplies" and "equipment" around to commit those crimes with, and/or a culture promoting such behavior, in the first place. So in the end, the accuser would end up looking worse than the accused.


    1. The Conciliar Church has enough scandal in this department. They don't need to give themselves additional black eyes.
    2. It only makes *them* look bad, if they announce a man they formed for 10 years had "that problem". Just so they can brag how they got rid of him in the end? But they had him around for 10 years and they were clueless idiots?
    3. There is a motive why they would resort to such drastic measures: Fr. Arrascue was representing sex abuse victims, and the diocese didn't like the sunlight highlighting their bad deeds.
    4. The motive was not "I was just too Traditional for them, I guess!" That's basically the classic, "I'm just too good, and they are evil. The evil always persecute the good. *sigh*"
    5. I note Fr. Arrascue's charge was vague and undefined. You know the postmodern joke: (quickly closes laptop) "I wasn't looking at nude photos of Donald Trump." "That's a curiously specific statement, there!" When something is true, you can at least mention SOME specifics, as you have so many. After all, it's reality and it happened, right?
    6. I note that they threatened an "administrative criminal trial" which is not a "trial" at all, it's not what most of us picture when we hear "trial". They key word here is "administrative". It's about as much a "trial" as a boss all alone in his office deciding to fire someone.

    In Conclusion --

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
    All things being equal, organizations don't just wake up and decide to "have it out for someone".
    The larger the organization, the more unlikely it is. After all, there is a HUGE power disparity.
    Do you go out of your way to persecute an individual ant? No. Of course not. You could crush him at any time. Why would you waste your time though?
    Especially if crushing that ant was highly risky/inconvenient for your own reputation, career, etc.

    That DOES NOT MEAN that injustice never happens, or that no one is ever persecuted unjustly.
    BUT IT DOES MEAN that whenever it does happen (the exception), there is a rational, explainable reason for this extraordinary behavior.

    You know the classic case of the criminal who is "persecuted by the police"? If you interview their mother, they will say with all conviction, "Oh, the police have it out for my dear ______!" NO, THEY DO NOT. They are enforcing the law, which your dear little child is breaking. If she wasn't selling drugs/herself on the street, the police wouldn't have the slightest problem with your daughter.
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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #159 on: Yesterday at 11:10:28 AM »
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  • As for Fr Moran, where are the Court cases in relation to these supposed incidents? There are none! What does the vetting service report in each of the countries concerned? Irish Vetting Service - no criminal record. Ministry of Justice in Martinique - no criminal record. DBS check in the UK reveals no criminal record. And NOTE WELL, all cases of clerical abuse in Martinique from 2021 are automatically reported to the Police there. So, clearly there are no cases against Fr Moran.

    Good points. My thought was that, as there is no evidence of a criminal record, it may have been an "act against the sixth commandment" with someone above the age of consent. Hence, no criminal record, but still punished according to Canon law. Again, providing the emails are authentic. Though I don't see why they wouldn't be because that is something that can be easily confirmed or denied. The big issue I see is why have the Resistance bishop(s) not publicly mentioned this at all? If someone is making accusations against a priest with evidence, that is not something that should just be ignored
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  • Good points. My thought was that, as there is no evidence of a criminal record, it may have been an "act against the sixth commandment" with someone above the age of consent. Hence, no criminal record, but still punished according to Canon law. Again, providing the emails are authentic. Though I don't see why they wouldn't be because that is something that can be easily confirmed or denied. The big issue I see is why have the Resistance bishop(s) not publicly mentioned this at all? If someone is making accusations against a priest with evidence, that is not something that should just be ignored
    If the accusor was an adult, then maybe this was a fake "me too" accusation, to get Fr Moran to leave his diocese?


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  • Reply to Matthew --

    You say they are highly unlikely and rare, but what evidence do you have or that? Priests are being cancelled every day and the easiest and quickest excuse available is inappropriate behaviour with minors, even when this doesn’t involve the police or civil authorities. It is a fact that Fr. M has never been questioned by the police let alone arrested or convicted. His totally clear police checks from the UK, Ireland and Martinique (France) show that.

    This affair doesn’t give them a black eye. There has been absolutely no mention of this at all in Martinique. Nothing on the website of the diocese announcing the ‘laicisation’ or anything else. Yet they have done this with regard to the arrest of another priest there. Strange.

    I don’t think Fr. Moran was in Martinique for 10 years. He arrived in 2016 and left in 2019 after making a complaint to the Holy See about the behaviour of the Archbishop. Fr. M is also a canon lawyer.

    Remember that Fr. M was not a priest when in Martinique. He was ordained after leaving. There is a docuмent which he was asked to sign in 2017 agreeing to various things, including not publicly celebrating the Traditional Mass, and celebrating the new Mass in French with all the horrors when asked to - even though when INVITED to the diocese it was under the condition that he would never have to say the new Mass ever.

    The charges against Fr. M are very vague. He still doesn’t know exactly what they are, even after having been found guilty of committing them.

    Matthew notes that “they threatened an "administrative criminal trial" which is not a "trial" at all, it's not what most of us picture when we hear "trial". They key word here is "administrative". It's about as much a "trial" as a boss all alone in his office deciding to fire someone.” Yet this is the exact same extrajudicial penal process which Fr. M was faced with, only in his case he was not given the right to defend himself, nor to have a canonical legal advocate, nor to have the process conducted in a language he properly understood. He has never seen the acts of the case and has only been given the barest of information about it, after he was declared guilty by a judge who had himself been recused for lacking impartiality 18 months before.

    The Holy See is in possession of 5 sworn affidavits from young men and the mother of 13 children which testify under oath that the archbishop of Martinique approached them and asked them to fabricate allegations against Fr. M. This was all in the years immediately BEFORE retaliatory accusations were made against Fr. M and 3 years after he had left Martinique and the Novus Ordo Church and refused requests by the bishop for him to voluntarily seek laicisation as he was no longer working in the diocese and was ‘absent without leave’. The ‘vos estis’ complaint was made to the Vatican in 2020 and 2021. The ‘allegations’ against Fr. M only surfaced in July 2022.

    After being declared ‘guilty’ in an administrative process and refused the right to appeal, Fr. M was given the barest of details of what he was accused of. Yet, there is evidence in the form of aeroplane tickets and passport stamps, as well as bank statements, which show that he was thousands of miles away in Europe at the time.

    People are talking of previous allegations taking place in Cardiff and London. Fr. M was never a cleric for either of those dioceses and if there was even the slightest evidence of issues or problems of this sort; is it conceivable in this day and age (2016), that he would have been invited to go to Martinique by the bishop? As Matthew pointed out, “The Conciliar Church has enough scandal in this department. They don't need to give themselves additional black eyes.”

    But of course Matthew knows all this because he has seen a letter from Fr. M’s advocate which details the entire thing. Fr. M has also volunteered on several occasions to speak with Matthew and provide any and all docuмentary evidence for him to see. He simply doesn’t want to post the entire thing online whilst canonical proceedings are still underway in Rome AGAINST the bishop of Martinique. Yet Matthew has not responded to those several requests and continues to ply this out, helping destroy the reputation and good name of a priest. For what purpose exactly? Bishops Williamson, Ballini and Morgan have all seen this evidence and are obviously satisfied with it.




    The Archbishop of Martinique, the accuser and judge of Fr Moran.




    Cardinal Tucho who is the Cardinal Prefect of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, who allowed the archbishop of Martinique to continue, who ignored the evidence and refused to even consider my appeal even though it was clear that I wasn’t in the hemisphere at the time.

    More on Cardinal Tucho - https://onepeterfive.com/more-erotic-musings-from-vatican-head-of-doctrine/


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  • But of course Matthew knows all this because he has seen a letter from Fr. M’s advocate which details the entire thing. Fr. M has also volunteered on several occasions to speak with Matthew and provide any and all docuмentary evidence for him to see. He simply doesn’t want to post the entire thing online whilst canonical proceedings are still underway in Rome AGAINST the bishop of Martinique. Yet Matthew has not responded to those several requests and continues to ply this out, helping destroy the reputation and good name of a priest. For what purpose exactly? Bishops Williamson, Ballini and Morgan have all seen this evidence and are obviously satisfied with it.

    Wow, you know an awful lot about Fr. Moran and his correspondence with Matthew for a random third party ;)
    That photo, for example, I couldn't find online, but Fr. Moran sent it to me several days ago.

    Right, Father?

    Anyhow, I told you ...er, Fr. Moran many times to simply come on here and post the evidence. Do you think that's going to bother me in the least, if Fr. Moran turns out to be innocent? I'd be thrilled! There's enough evil in the world, and in the Church. You think I'm dying for "just a bit more" evil in the clergy? That would be insane. There is MORE THAN ENOUGH evil in the world to satisfy anyone's appetite for evil. I don't need to make up even more.

    As I said above, for every one person who "has it out for" someone, for some mysterious reason, there are 1 million or 1 billion individuals who are impartial to the same "victim". It's simply not NORMAL to randomly target someone for no good reason. Why would I, or anyone else here, have the slightest inclination against you rather than for you? The only issue is the FACTS and the TRUTH, which are not automatically infused into anyone's brain.
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  • Reply to Matthew --

    You say they are highly unlikely and rare, but what evidence do you have or that? Priests are being cancelled every day and the easiest and quickest excuse available is inappropriate behaviour with minors, even when this doesn’t involve the police or civil authorities.

    I don't believe this. Strongly disagree with you on this point. 99.9999% of dioceses would just say "You're disobedient. Get out" and cast them out for being Traditional. They wouldn't make up lewd charges against the priest. Saying they're disobedient and anti-Novus Ordo is one thing. But even Novus Ordo Catholic doctrine says it's pretty sinful to lie and destroy someone's reputation. In their mind, they think someone like +ABL is bad for being disobedient, etc. so that's a bit different. But everyone knows slander, lies, etc. is clearly evil.

    So no, I don't think that's standard operating procedure. 99.9999% of "cancelled priests" don't leave the Conciliar Church with damage to their reputation, such that they have difficulty working with kids, have to register with a sex offender registry, etc. 
    The idea that such slander against "Traditional" priests is par for the course, is simply not true.
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  • How about this question:

    If you, a normal, non-perverted, red-blooded man studying for the priesthood showed up, and a fruit loop like the man you posted was your bishop -- how many minutes would you stick around?

    I'd do a 360 and walk away. So would most men.

    As Ladislaus said, on a Ghei-dar scale of 1 to 10, he's about a 50. So why did you ...er, Fr. Moran, stick around for so long? Even 3 years would be crazy.
    And why were you so determined to stay in Martinique of all places? You're neither black, nor French-speaking. Let's just say the reason is far from obvious, to the average person. That's a long way from Ireland.
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