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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Luke Ross - Goodbye Frs. Pfeiffer, Rafael - hello Home Alone
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2019, 12:40:51 PM »
Agree, their logic is supremely flawed.  The have a "martyr mentality" which they use to interpret every situation as being a "unique cross" from God (only for them), so that their pride prevents them from being a "normal Trad" and going to mass ANYWHERE where a valid mass is available...(gasp) even if they don't like the priest. 

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What hope they had left of having a priest visit (who hasn't compromised on the doctrine and teaching of the Catholic Church) has seemingly been dashed. 

They've made themselves an authority on doctrine, so they can judge all priests and determine their "worthyness".  So stupid.

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We wish to protect Father's reputation in as far as it is possible, and if we were to say more on this matter we would be guilty of detraction in these particular circuмstances.

Detraction is the sin of revealing another person's real faults to a third person without a valid reason, thereby lessening the reputation of that person.

They don't even know what detraction is.  Explaining why a priest left can be done without detraction and if there's a valid reason to reveal bad details, then it's not a sin!  Public sins can be made public to anyone!  If this priest was asked to leave, and you don't tell people why, then some may follow him or continue to support him (when he shouldn't be followed or supported!).  Obviously those who are making decisions don't have much common sense.



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As Catholics who won’t attend Masses of priests who compromise the faith (like SSPX, Bishop Williamson’s Fake Resistance and Fr. Pfeiffer’s fake Bishop & more) the reality is we are entering and living a time of the Catacombs, protecting and shielding the faith. 

Woe to those who "stay at home" rather than go to a valid mass by a valid priest.  How many graces are they missing?  How much scandal are they causing to their families?  What answer will they have to God at the last judgement?



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What an inconceivable blessing for us weak creatures to be able to be united in the trenches fighting for the return of Christ the King and the Immaculate Heart of Mary in these latter days.

In what way are they "fighting in the trenches"?  By anathematizing 99% of Trads?  Bizzare, bizzare thought process.  God have mercy on these people.

Re: Luke Ross - Goodbye Frs. Pfeiffer, Rafael - hello Home Alone
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2019, 01:35:16 PM »
I may be all wrong on this point but the little I know it sounds like Donatism all over.

Donatists argued that Christian clergy must be faultless for their ministry to be effective and their prayers and sacraments to be valid.


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Re: Luke Ross - Goodbye Frs. Pfeiffer, Rafael - hello Home Alone
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2019, 01:53:17 PM »
I may be all wrong on this point but the little I know it sounds like Donatism all over.

Donatists argued that Christian clergy must be faultless for their ministry to be effective and their prayers and sacraments to be valid.
At least you admit you might be wrong.
Here is the definition of Donatism:


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By denying the intrinsic efficacy of the sacraments the Donatists claimed the sacraments could be celebrated validly only by those in the state of grace. They required the re-baptism of any Catholic who came over to their sect.

Donatists had the outward forms of Catholicism, including bishops, priests, and deacons, Mass, and the veneration of the relics of martyrs. The heresy of Donatism lay not primarily in the denial of particular Catholic doctrines but in the assertion that only "sinless" men could administer the sacraments validly. The schism was effected by the rejection of the lawful authority of validly-elected Catholic bishops and culminated in illicit but valid ordinations of schismatic bishops, priests, and deacons.

No one that I know of is saying that Fr. Pfeiffer's Masses are invalid. The problem is that we are human beings, and subject to be affected by things like propaganda, errors, etc. It's not about Fr. Pfeiffer's state of soul or personal sins, but rather his public sins which affect his teaching of the Faith itself.

We are not saying "avoid Fr. Pfeiffer's Masses because he's a sinner" we're saying avoid his Masses because he holds various errors, teaches distortions and propaganda in lieu of doctrine (according as it suits his cause), and is a scandal with his behavior towards other priests and bishops, which might actually cause YOU to sin by doing and saying things against these priests. So he is literally a cause of scandal or a stumbling-block. Not to mention his close association with a man like Pablo who takes scandal to a whole new level. It is not worth immersing oneself in such a milieu, not even for the Mass. The ends don't justify the means.

And then there's the issue of his promoting one Ambrose Moran, an evident con artist who masquerades as a Bishop. Since when are Traditional Catholics apathetic about the validity of one's sacraments? Isn't "seeking valid sacraments" one of the main reasons the Traditional Movement exists?

Say a man was travelling, and couldn't find a Tridentine Mass to attend on Sunday. What if a prostitute offered to tell him where you could find a valid Tridentine Mass, if he used her services once? (Let's assume he knows psychological tricks and can tell by her eyes, body language, etc. that she's telling the truth that she knows where a Tridentine Mass can be found.) Would the ends (attending Mass) be enough to justify fornication with a prostitute? I think not.

Re: Luke Ross - Goodbye Frs. Pfeiffer, Rafael - hello Home Alone
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2019, 04:30:36 PM »
No one that I know of is saying that Fr. Pfeiffer's Masses are invalid, but he is...a cause of scandal or a stumbling-block. Not to mention his close association with a man like Pablo who takes scandal to a whole new level. It is not worth immersing oneself in such a milieu, not even for the Mass. The ends don't justify the means.
I came to this conclusion in 2014.  I won't subject myself to a 65ish year old man who pretends he's from another country, who claims Catholicism despite every indication that he's not, who orders people around as if they were his slaves, who mocks, and publicly insults a priest's elderly parents in their own home, and who three times made highly inappropriate suggestive comments, told jokes of a sɛҳuąƖ nature and was twice found going through my private possessions in my private living quarters!  He also barged in, ostensibly to look for something, at10:30 PM and tried to stay for a casual conversation.  At the time, I was wearing a nightgown!

Both priests in residence made excuses for him when I told them about it.  One of them accused me of getting upset over nothing!  While I know the priests are validly ordained, and that the Mass itself is valid, I'm afraid for my personal safety and purity.  I do not want to tempt Our Lord by possibly having to resort to self-defense because the priests won't do their duty.  It's a pathetic state of affairs when the only person willing to stand up to him is a 61 year old single woman!  

I haven't been back.


Re: Luke Ross - Goodbye Frs. Pfeiffer, Rafael - hello Home Alone
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2019, 12:30:24 PM »
If there's one thing I can't stand, it's people who leave a cult but continue to take as gospel truth COUNTLESS TENETS propagated by the cult they left.


But apparently leaving a cult doesn't mean all the poison immediately leaves your body. You hold on to parts of it, until you're ready to take those further steps.
I am not surprised, as there must have been something wrong with these cult followers before they joined the cult. The fact that they followed and staid with the cult for these past years proves there is something deeply wrong within them that cannot just go away so easily.