Quote from: soulguard

If only those with faith are the church, then traditionalists are the only church, therefore it is up to us, AND NOBODY ELSE, to elect a true pope. We dont have to accept the one in rome, who is elected by an unholy alliance of fαɢɢօts and freemasons.

Wait a minute, "fαɢɢօts and freemasons - a profile on the cardinal electors" would make a good book.

For once, I agree with Soulguard. We shouldn't just stand by and let apostates run wild. It is the responsibility of Catholics to take back Eternal Rome if it has fallen isn't the hands of the enemy.

Pardon me --

I don't mean to interrupt your brave "William Wallace" speech, but one layman has already boldly "done something" resolute and practical about the Crisis. In fact, he has purported to have solved the crisis completely, if he can just get enough followers! Perhaps you should just follow him.

http://vaticaninexile.com


See my point?

With argumentation and logic like yours, you basically give "pope" Michael your stamp of approval.

No thanks!

CentroAmerica, I think you're a good-willed hothead. But a hothead nonetheless.

I don't know what you're talking about regarding me and the Resistance. I've supported the Resistance fully since the very beginning. It was CI that blew the lid off the whole thing back in May 2012, remember?

If we do nothing the enemy will continue to walk all over us.

The triumph of our Lady will involve the victories of Catholic men and women, they are inseperable.

Most people here are just saying "say your rosary", but that is not enough. God never grants a miracle that we could accomplish with our own hands.

It is up to us to reclaim the church.

Enough of this dithering. We have to get serious about this and start to get our freak on.

Quote from: soulguard

If we do nothing the enemy will continue to walk all over us.

The triumph of our Lady will involve the victories of Catholic men and women, they are inseperable.

Most people here are just saying "say your rosary", but that is not enough. God never grants a miracle that we could accomplish with our own hands.

It is up to us to reclaim the church.

Enough of this dithering. We have to get serious about this and start to get our freak on.

BRILLIANT!

In the midst of apocalyptic musings, thou SoulGuard bringeth a curveth ball that turneth a monster Re  donk  ulous trajectory ---
 
from accusin' the Holy Fada to a fo' shizzlin inner display of gospel "soul" behind    Irish Eyes    


     

I'm not sure what any of these words mean, TPC, but I laughed out loud!

Quote from: The Penny Catechism

Quote from: soulguard

If we do nothing the enemy will continue to walk all over us.

The triumph of our Lady will involve the victories of Catholic men and women, they are inseperable.

Most people here are just saying "say your rosary", but that is not enough. God never grants a miracle that we could accomplish with our own hands.

It is up to us to reclaim the church.

Enough of this dithering. We have to get serious about this and start to get our freak on.

BRILLIANT!

In the midst of apocalyptic musings, thou SoulGuard bringeth a curveth ball that turneth a monster Re  donk  ulous trajectory ---
 
from accusin' the Holy Fada to a fo' shizzlin inner display of gospel "soul" behind    Irish Eyes    


     

I'm not sure what any of these words mean, TPC, but I laughed out loud!

'tongue-in-cheek' spontaneous moment and obvious buffoonery on my part. Ironic, because I'm usually analytical without doing that.  

I do 'get' where SoulGuard is coming from; even when my viewpoint or understanding of an original post is different from his. In part, because I look at myself as more of an outsider on Catholic Fora in general and thus  find myself often reading posts that are totally different from my take.

On the other hand, there are still times, when I'll read a post and think to myself: "spot on," -- just what I was thinking. I remember back to a recent post by SoulGuard on his comments on St. Mark the Ascetic. I too was taken away by his stuff; -- and I've never heard of the guy. I guess you could say that I was on the same page with S.G's take there.

Add the recent somber tone around here with Matthew's unfortunate situation and 2VM's "depression" thread and I'm sure somewhere subconsciously I was prime for letting off some steam here -- but without trying to be a d!@# to anyone;  resulting in that over the top reply

If we do nothing the enemy will continue to walk all over us.

The triumph of our Lady will involve the victories of Catholic men and women, they are inseperable.

Most people here are just saying "say your rosary", but that is not enough. God never grants a miracle that we could accomplish with our own hands.

It is up to us to reclaim the church.

Enough of this dithering. We have to get serious about this and start to get our freak on.

“The Most Holy Virgin in these last times in which we live has given a new efficacy to the recitation of the Rosary to such an extent that there is no problem, no matter how difficult it is, whether temporal or above all, spiritual, in the personal life of each one of us, of our families, of the families of the world, or of the religious communities, or even of the life of peoples and nations, that cannot be solved by the Rosary. There is no problem I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we cannot resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary.

“With the Holy Rosary, we will save ourselves, we will sanctify ourselves, we will console Our Lord and obtain the salvation of many souls.”  Sr. Lucia

It is noteworthy that on this thread it seems to mislead by the title. I didn't interpret it to say literally throwing a council and elected some sort of claimant that idea is ridiculous.

But everything that Soulguard has spoken of on the comments are defending Holy Mother Church something reminiscent of the San Nicolas du Chardonette style.

Yet people are mocking the thread probably in part for what the title could imply.

On to the topic.  Soulguard said this and asked critical questions:

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And do those principles tell you to be in obedience to non-Catholic freemasons who usurped the hierarchy?

How will the hierarchy be purged if their power is near absolute?
They have the power to make any man a bishop if he suit their agenda, and yet you would obey such a bishop and hierarchy and pope. You know that the hierarchy is full of freemasons and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs who do satanic rituals in the vatican, and yet you think they have a right to rule over you.

I am sure canon law has a solution to this problem.
The situation is not as simple as put up or shut up. Or pray pay and obey.

This is where many of us are in crisis - "non Catholic freemasons who usurped the hierarchy"    How can we obey non Catholic freemasons in charge?  They have total control of Rome.  What is the remedy?   Praying for a miracle?  I'm all aboujt that, no problem, and ask for His Mercy every day.  But canonically how does the Church provide for recovery of it's offices?  

And do those principles tell you to be in obedience to non-Catholic freemasons who usurped the hierarchy?

= The million dollar question. First, internally am I aware that there is something wrong, but perhaps can't put a finger on it in the state of Rome? In particular, are they missing an essential attribute or property intergral to remain Catholic? IMHO, it has lost Apostolicity, an essential attribute inherent to being 'Catholic.'

As defined in Ott, pg 309

"Apostolic signifies derived from the Apostles(de fide). We distinguish a threefold apostolicity: of origin, of teaching (doctrine), and of succession in office...She has always adhered to the teaching which she received from the Apostles... The 4 properties of Unity, Sanctity, Catholicity, and Apostolicity, since they appear externally and are easily recognisable,  are not merely properties of being, but at the same time, outer marks of the true Church of Christ.

Based on this viewpoint, a concern is that what is coming out of Rome is diametrically opposite or incongruent with previous 'de fide' doctrine. Subsequent doubt results due to Vatican II changes to the Sacraments, the Liturgy, and my ability to obtain and become holy by participating in these changes. I appeal that my Faith is threatened and my ability to strive for personal holiness is hindered by the immersion into VII Theology and it's new laws.

Handbook of Moral Theology: Prummer

Cessation of Obligation through Impossibilty: Impossibility is either absolute or moral depending on whether a person finds it completely impossible to observe a law or can only do so with difficulty.

 

How is the hierarchy to be purged if their power is near absolute? What is the remedy? Praying for a miracle? ... abbreviated

First, I would develop a strategy first and foremost to save your eternal soul. For example, if you don't have access to the Sacraments easily; then practicing daily -- a perfect act of contrition, transforming fear into positive action; and increasing one's meaningful use before God would be some basics of a "Heaven's tool-kit" so to speak.

In particular, the perfect act of contrition because it first and foremost requires doing for the love of God rather than a fear of God. Could you imagine if tonight after you perform (to the best of your ability) a perfect act of contrition that later on it was deemed to be the end of time? You know, the whole "trumpets blaring"...Christ coming in all His Glory; not as the poor Carpenter's Son; but as the King of king's; as the terrible Judge of Mankind???  One day this will happen. And with health; even if we are healthy, things can change for the worse at a moment's time. It is better to be years "too early" than one minute too late. There is almost no way to perform a perfect act of contrition under extreme fear, duress, exhaustion because we are so focused on saving our butts that we can't turn our attention towards having sorrow because we have offended God for the love of God. So I would start there.

As to Rome, we will soon find out what the solution will be (aka, this November/ in a couple of years with Luther's anniversary); but it will be at a time when everyone will know it's too late. If you want to be more proactive; then my advice then would be to pray to the Sacred Heart of Jesus/ Immaculate Heart of Mary to do faithfully what your mission in life is in regards to the situation in Rome (sorry that I can't be of more help here).