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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: soulguard on June 07, 2014, 03:00:17 PM
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I do not think that JP2 and J23 were saints, nor P6 a blessed.
They have been enemies of the traditions of the church, traditions to which one must be united if they can have any hope of salvation.
The declaration by Francis ( still not sure whether he is a valid pope or not), is faulty, because we clearly know that their causes, as the cause of Francis will soon be, are advanced exclusively by fooled novus ordo false Catholics, and by the enemies of the church.
Where are the saints that those loyal to the church and her doctrine and traditions promote?
They are to be found being martyred in some afar off country for refusing to deny Jesus Christ.
Meanwhile, the apostate "mother theresa" whose spiritual education came from a paedophile, a woman whose physical ugliness showed forth the ugliness of her soul that no longer believed in mortal sin, was photographed praying to buddha. And if this were not enough, she encouraged hindus to pray to the devils they worship. The apostate was declared a blessed, which is obviously a false statement, because it is not true, and it can not ever be true, that "mother theresa" or any of these new purported saints and blesseds can be in heaven. They cannot even be in purgatory. They have died in a state in which they denied the Catholic faith and adopted their own comfertable and world approved religious ideas which they claim are Catholic but are not.
It is clear that something is gravely wrong with the vatican when these things happen.
As if the lavender mafia was not bad enough, now the man whom we think is pope shoves false saints down our throats. You cannot pray to someone who is in hell, nor can you pray for them.
The truth is that we have no reason to even have the slightest hope that any of these people even went to purgatory. No recant of their apostasy was ever made.
This is what happens when the church gets taken over by freemasons.
Perhaps it is time for us to call some sort of council of our own including the SSPX CMRI SSPV and other trad groups, with the intention of resolving once and for all, whether or not we must sever ties with the vatican, and perhaps even elect a true pope.
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That would be schismatic. But it would seem to make sense if one believes we have no pope, and / or that nothing of the Church is left in Rome at all, only a lot of heretics. I for one would not recognize any 'pope' who was elected during the lifetime of a reigning pope, but of course, neither would the sedes!
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It's not our job to fix the Church. That belongs to God. We have neither the authority nor competence.
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The cardinals would have to go sede first.
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It's not our job to fix the Church. That belongs to God. We have neither the authority nor competence.
The heresy of Quietism.
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If only those with faith are the church, then traditionalists are the only church, therefore it is up to us, AND NOBODY ELSE, to elect a true pope. We dont have to accept the one in rome, who is elected by an unholy alliance of fαɢɢօts and freemasons.
Wait a minute, "fαɢɢօts and freemasons - a profile on the cardinal electors" would make a good book.
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It's not our job to fix the Church. That belongs to God. We have neither the authority nor competence.
So then let's all do nothing and let God fix it.
I don't share that view. As a Catholic, I believe that faith without works is useless. We need action of course.
Who can deny that there are impostors in the clergy? Do nothing my friends, let the impostors ravage the Church. I think not.
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If only those with faith are the church, then traditionalists are the only church, therefore it is up to us, AND NOBODY ELSE, to elect a true pope. We dont have to accept the one in rome, who is elected by an unholy alliance of fαɢɢօts and freemasons.
Wait a minute, "fαɢɢօts and freemasons - a profile on the cardinal electors" would make a good book.
For once, I agree with Soulguard. We shouldn't just stand by and let apostates run wild. It is the responsibility of Catholics to take back Eternal Rome if it has fallen isn't the hands of the enemy.
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What do you propose exactly? Petitioning the sede bishops to elect a pope?
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What do you propose exactly? Petitioning the sede bishops to elect a pope?
We need a Catholic version of martin luther.
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MariaCatherine is right, a conclavist election carried out by laymen will be illegal, invalid and schismatic. St. Robert and other Doctors teach that the power and right to elect a Pope, after the Cardinals, belongs to the Roman clergy alone. They may choose to depend in doing this on a general Council of the world's Ordinaries.
It is de fide that there will always be Ordinaries (bishops appointed to a see by the Pope) and Roman clergy (clerics incardinated into the diocese of Rome by a Pope) in the Church, and they alone together have the power and right to proceed to doing such things as electing a Pope. If you believe otherwise, the Faith itself should remind you that you are mistaken.
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We need a Catholic version of martin luther.
Obviously, those two terms are contradictory. You seem to think the example of the saints is wanting.
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What do you propose exactly? Petitioning the sede bishops to elect a pope?
It is the responsibility of the valid Catholic bishops to rebuild Christ's Church and this includes His hierarchy. The "bishop" of my diocese does pilgrimages with Buddhist monks and other stunts. I doubt he is a Catholic considering the extent of the influence of the Lodge in this diocese and country. Bergoglio invited the Freemason Jews in the Cathedral of his diocese to desecrate the temple. It's little wonder why a well-known Argentinian resistance priest refuses to say the name in the canon if he never said his name in the Canon when he was the "Archbishop".
On the other hand, if the Catholic bishops do not rebuild the Church and it's dioceses than God will surely destroy this world because as Catholics we know that there are only a few possible solutions.
1 The crisis will end and the Church will be rebuilt.
Or
2 The world will come to an end because the Church will remain in the world until the end of time.
There are more than just "sede bishops" with questionable consecrations that are responsible. It should start with the "Conciliar clergy", the Uniate and Eastern Rite bishops, and the SSPX bishops and include the "Sede clergy" if possible. Of course, healing this crisis will involve many sub conditione ordinations and consecrations as a starting point.
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Hopefully the right and true Catholic bishops are reading CI and will be moved to do the right good works.
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We need a Catholic version of martin luther.
The theory of the so-called missio extraordinaria is untenable. The Church of Christ will continue to the end of time, unchanged in all her essential elements, one of which is the ordinary and legitimate Apostolic succession of her teachers and rulers. For the same reason she will never at any time lack the missio ordinaria and apostolica.
Consequently, there is no room for an extraordinary mission (missio extraordinaria) of the kind invented by orthodox Protestantism to support its false view of the nature of the Church. The 16th century Reformers deemed it possible that the Church of Christ could err so profoundly in matters of faith and morals that no suitable rulers could be set up by ordinary human means, and those still in office could no longer be employed with advantage for the salvation of souls. In that case, they held, God would send men with an extraordinary mission to reform His Church. Such a man, e. g., was Martin Luther.
We hold that such an extraordinary mission is incompatible with the nature and organization of the Church. She can never be without the Apostolic succession, which is based upon the ordinary and Apostolic mission.
Succession may be material or formal. Material succession consists in the fact that there have never been lacking persons who have continuously been substituted for the Apostles ; formal succession consists in the fact that these substituted persons truly enjoy authority derived from the Apostles and received from him who is able to communicate it.
For someone to be made a successor of the Apostles and pastor of the Church, the power of order — which is always validly conferred by virtue of ordination — is not enough; the power of jurisdiction is also required, and this is conferred not by virtue of ordination but by virtue of a mission received from him to whom Christ has entrusted the supreme power over the universal Church.
The suggestions being made in this thread are reckless and not properly informed by Catholic principles.
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To state affirmatively and without doubt that the Sumo Pontifice is a man who says a Catholic God doesn't exist and is currently preparing to have the Quaran read in the See of Peter is more reckless than anything Soulguard might have said on this thread.
We don't need layman theology manuals to tell us that. Just ask any child in Baltimore Catechism classes.
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CentroAmerica, the heterodox things the Romans are doing does not give us the right to do something that traditional teaching clearly shows is not in our power to do.
If we really wish to rebuild Christendom and the Church, our actions must be informed by Catholic principles.
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CentroAmerica, the heterodox things the Romans are doing does not give us the right to do something that traditional teaching clearly shows is not in our power to do.
If we really wish to rebuild Christendom and the Church, our actions must be informed by Catholic principles.
And do those principles tell you to be in obedience to non-Catholic freemasons who usurped the hierarchy?
How will the hierarchy be purged if their power is near absolute? They have the power to make any man a bishop if he suit their agenda, and yet you would obey such a bishop and hierarchy and pope. You know that the hierarchy is full of freemasons and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs who do satanic rituals in the vatican, and yet you think they have a right to rule over you.
I am sure canon law has a solution to this problem.
The situation is not as simple as put up or shut up. Or pray pay and obey.
This is a war situation, but we have our heads in the sand.
Even if we break the rules, so what? Is that not necessary to save the church?
These rules cannot be enforced legally when they defeat their origional purpose.
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God's worst chastisement is giving us bad leaders, but some people seem to think they can refuse Him.
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The only bishops who could have done it were Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre & Archbishop Thuc. They could have called a so-called Imperfect Council.
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God's worst chastisement is giving us bad leaders, but some people seem to think they can refuse Him.
Why do people continue to say that this is from God? They don't know this. Perhaps evil men gave us bad leaders.
I don't blame soulguard or centroamerica for reacting this way. It's amazing any of us remain faithful these days. I know there are times when I wish I could actually do something to stop the madness.
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With the Traditional Movement dead and the Catholic Church dying and in a state of free-fall...
and to the small pockets of the Faith scattered throughout the world remaining
I feel your pain (Soulguard and CentroAmerica)
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Impossible for God to give us anything BAD, but He does allow it to happen when we deserve it.
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Several conclaves have been organized to elect a Pope. Back in 1995 the traditionalists tried this. Trad clergy and bishops were invited.
This was the result:
http://sursumcordablog.blogspot.com/2013/09/lino-ii-victor-von-pentz.html
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It's not our job to fix the Church. That belongs to God. We have neither the authority nor competence.
So then let's all do nothing and let God fix it.
I don't share that view. As a Catholic, I believe that faith without works is useless. We need action of course.
Who can deny that there are impostors in the clergy? Do nothing my friends, let the impostors ravage the Church. I think not.
Reading comprehension on this forum is abysmal.
Would you mind showing me where I said anything akin to "let's do nothing and let God fix it?"
We are laymen, with absolutely no authority or commission from Christ to decide these matters, let alone elect a new pope. There are plenty of things to be done within the scope of our position in the Church, but electing popes and resolving the crisis in the Church by committee are not within our competence.
You want action? Why not follow the instructions of Our Lady at Fatima and be content to have her as our general in this war? Why do we need to muscle in and try to assert ourselves when she has assured us that it is she who will resolve the crisis? She told us exactly what we must do. I doubt there are many on this board who could list those things without consulting the internet, and even fewer who have taken them to heart and fulfilled her requests. I suggest you read the messages of Our Lady of Good Success, where she outlined exactly what is to happen, and how she "in a marvelous way, will dethrone the proud and accursed Satan, trampling him under my feet and fetter[ing] him in the infernal abyss."
I am not advocating "Quietism". I am pointing out that it is just as wrong for us to arrogate authority we do not possess as it is for the impostors.
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Perhaps it is time for us to call some sort of council of our own including the SSPX CMRI SSPV and other trad groups, with the intention of resolving once and for all, whether or not we must sever ties with the vatican, and perhaps even elect a true pope.
We need a Catholic version of martin luther.
soulguard:
You need to do more of this: :reading:
Less of this: :pc:
Seriously......
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What do you propose exactly? Petitioning the sede bishops to elect a pope?
We need a Catholic version of martin luther.
You really need to read/think more and post less.
We need another Martin Luther? Seriously? A "Catholic" version of Martin Luther would be... another heretic Martin Luther. What Luther did was completely apostatize and abjure the Catholic Faith. He did NOTHING GOOD AT ALL and he is likely paying for it right now as we speak.
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MariaCatherine is right, a conclavist election carried out by laymen will be illegal, invalid and schismatic. St. Robert and other Doctors teach that the power and right to elect a Pope, after the Cardinals, belongs to the Roman clergy alone. They may choose to depend in doing this on a general Council of the world's Ordinaries.
It is de fide that there will always be Ordinaries (bishops appointed to a see by the Pope) and Roman clergy (clerics incardinated into the diocese of Rome by a Pope) in the Church, and they alone together have the power and right to proceed to doing such things as electing a Pope. If you believe otherwise, the Faith itself should remind you that you are mistaken.
Very good point.
This pretty much proves that there must be valid Roman Clergy right now. Otherwise, who could elect the next Pope? We Catholics aren't at liberty to believe that the Church has failed in such a way that St. Michael needs to pay us a personal visit for a "re-boot" of the Church. That is outlandish and ridiculous.
...One of the many reasons I'm not a sedevacantist.
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To state affirmatively and without doubt that the Sumo Pontifice is a man who says a Catholic God doesn't exist and is currently preparing to have the Quaran read in the See of Peter is more reckless than anything Soulguard might have said on this thread.
We don't need layman theology manuals to tell us that. Just ask any child in Baltimore Catechism classes.
Sorry, but pointing to NovusOrdoWatch, jumping up and down, and using that as an excuse for "anything goes" just doesn't cut it.
We still have to abide by Catholic doctrine.
We know that the Church is in Crisis, starting at the top. That much isn't being debated. But we have to stay Catholic as we deal with this Crisis. We mustn't lose our heads and become revolutionaries or protestants.
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It's not our job to fix the Church. That belongs to God. We have neither the authority nor competence.
So then let's all do nothing and let God fix it.
I don't share that view. As a Catholic, I believe that faith without works is useless. We need action of course.
Who can deny that there are impostors in the clergy? Do nothing my friends, let the impostors ravage the Church. I think not.
Would you mind showing me where I said anything akin to "let's do nothing and let God fix it?"
We are laymen, with absolutely no authority or commission from Christ to decide these matters, let alone elect a new pope. There are plenty of things to be done within the scope of our position in the Church, but electing popes and resolving the crisis in the Church by committee are not within our competence.
You want action? Why not follow the instructions of Our Lady at Fatima and be content to have her as our general in this war? Why do we need to muscle in and try to assert ourselves when she has assured us that it is she who will resolve the crisis? She told us exactly what we must do. I doubt there are many on this board who could list those things without consulting the internet, and even fewer who have taken them to heart and fulfilled her requests. I suggest you read the messages of Our Lady of Good Success, where she outlined exactly what is to happen, and how she "in a marvelous way, will dethrone the proud and accursed Satan, trampling him under my feet and fetter[ing] him in the infernal abyss."
I am not advocating "Quietism". I am pointing out that it is just as wrong for us to arrogate authority we do not possess as it is for the impostors.
Well-said!
Two wrongs doesn't make a right. If we usurped authority that wasn't ours, we'd be no better than the Freemasons in the Vatican!
You can't take the weapons of the Enemy and use them for good. It just doesn't work that way.
And your point about Our Lady was very appropriate too. Basically the likes of CentroAmerica and Soulguard want to PERSONALLY fight and PERSONALLY prevail over satan, so that it can be said that "centroamerica and soulguard (etc.) have crushed his head." instead of Our Lady.
Sorry, I believe that it is Our Lady that will crush the head of Satan. She will get the credit and the glory, both of which she deserves! Such is the manifest will of God in this matter.
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If only those with faith are the church, then traditionalists are the only church, therefore it is up to us, AND NOBODY ELSE, to elect a true pope. We dont have to accept the one in rome, who is elected by an unholy alliance of fαɢɢօts and freemasons.
Wait a minute, "fαɢɢօts and freemasons - a profile on the cardinal electors" would make a good book.
For once, I agree with Soulguard. We shouldn't just stand by and let apostates run wild. It is the responsibility of Catholics to take back Eternal Rome if it has fallen isn't the hands of the enemy.
Pardon me --
I don't mean to interrupt your brave "William Wallace" speech, but one layman has already boldly "done something" resolute and practical about the Crisis. In fact, he has purported to have solved the crisis completely, if he can just get enough followers! Perhaps you should just follow him.
http://vaticaninexile.com
See my point?
With argumentation and logic like yours, you basically give "pope" Michael your stamp of approval.
No thanks!
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I think most here are just expressing their frustration.
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CentroAmerica, I think you're a good-willed hothead. But a hothead nonetheless.
I don't know what you're talking about regarding me and the Resistance. I've supported the Resistance fully since the very beginning. It was CI that blew the lid off the whole thing back in May 2012, remember?
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CentroAmerica, I think you're a good-willed hothead. But a hothead nonetheless.
Thanks. God bless.
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If we do nothing the enemy will continue to walk all over us.
The triumph of our Lady will involve the victories of Catholic men and women, they are inseperable.
Most people here are just saying "say your rosary", but that is not enough. God never grants a miracle that we could accomplish with our own hands.
It is up to us to reclaim the church.
Enough of this dithering. We have to get serious about this and start to get our freak on.
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If we do nothing the enemy will continue to walk all over us.
The triumph of our Lady will involve the victories of Catholic men and women, they are inseperable.
Most people here are just saying "say your rosary", but that is not enough. God never grants a miracle that we could accomplish with our own hands.
It is up to us to reclaim the church.
Enough of this dithering. We have to get serious about this and start to get our freak on.
BRILLIANT!
In the midst of apocalyptic musings, thou SoulGuard bringeth a curveth ball that turneth a monster Re donk ulous trajectory ---
from accusin' the Holy Fada to a fo' shizzlin inner display of gospel "soul" behind Irish Eyes
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If we do nothing the enemy will continue to walk all over us.
The triumph of our Lady will involve the victories of Catholic men and women, they are inseperable.
Most people here are just saying "say your rosary", but that is not enough. God never grants a miracle that we could accomplish with our own hands.
It is up to us to reclaim the church.
Enough of this dithering. We have to get serious about this and start to get our freak on.
BRILLIANT!
In the midst of apocalyptic musings, thou SoulGuard bringeth a curveth ball that turneth a monster Re donk ulous trajectory ---
from accusin' the Holy Fada to a fo' shizzlin inner display of gospel "soul" behind Irish Eyes
I'm not sure what any of these words mean, TPC, but I laughed out loud!
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:laugh2:
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If we do nothing the enemy will continue to walk all over us.
The triumph of our Lady will involve the victories of Catholic men and women, they are inseperable.
Most people here are just saying "say your rosary", but that is not enough. God never grants a miracle that we could accomplish with our own hands.
It is up to us to reclaim the church.
Enough of this dithering. We have to get serious about this and start to get our freak on.
BRILLIANT!
In the midst of apocalyptic musings, thou SoulGuard bringeth a curveth ball that turneth a monster Re donk ulous trajectory ---
from accusin' the Holy Fada to a fo' shizzlin inner display of gospel "soul" behind Irish Eyes
I'm not sure what any of these words mean, TPC, but I laughed out loud!
'tongue-in-cheek' spontaneous moment and obvious buffoonery on my part. Ironic, because I'm usually analytical without doing that.
I do 'get' where SoulGuard is coming from; even when my viewpoint or understanding of an original post is different from his. In part, because I look at myself as more of an outsider on Catholic Fora in general and thus find myself often reading posts that are totally different from my take.
On the other hand, there are still times, when I'll read a post and think to myself: "spot on," -- just what I was thinking. I remember back to a recent post by SoulGuard on his comments on St. Mark the Ascetic. I too was taken away by his stuff; -- and I've never heard of the guy. I guess you could say that I was on the same page with S.G's take there.
Add the recent somber tone around here with Matthew's unfortunate situation and 2VM's "depression" thread and I'm sure somewhere subconsciously I was prime for letting off some steam here -- but without trying to be a d!@# to anyone; resulting in that over the top reply
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I can't believe the Conciliarist heresy is being advocated on CathInfo…
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If we do nothing the enemy will continue to walk all over us.
The triumph of our Lady will involve the victories of Catholic men and women, they are inseperable.
Most people here are just saying "say your rosary", but that is not enough. God never grants a miracle that we could accomplish with our own hands.
It is up to us to reclaim the church.
Enough of this dithering. We have to get serious about this and start to get our freak on.
“The Most Holy Virgin in these last times in which we live has given a new efficacy to the recitation of the Rosary to such an extent that there is no problem, no matter how difficult it is, whether temporal or above all, spiritual, in the personal life of each one of us, of our families, of the families of the world, or of the religious communities, or even of the life of peoples and nations, that cannot be solved by the Rosary. There is no problem I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we cannot resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary.
“With the Holy Rosary, we will save ourselves, we will sanctify ourselves, we will console Our Lord and obtain the salvation of many souls.” Sr. Lucia
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Realistically, if we truly desire to rebuild the Church and restore Christendom, we must work to bring the Conciliar bishops and men of great power back to Tradition, or better yet, back to "Catholicism". Catholics must know that there is a hierarchical order to everything and there is a purpose why Christ Lord established it that way.
Like the Portuguese proverb says we must "sweep the stairs from the top"
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It is noteworthy that on this thread it seems to mislead by the title. I didn't interpret it to say literally throwing a council and elected some sort of claimant that idea is ridiculous.
But everything that Soulguard has spoken of on the comments are defending Holy Mother Church something reminiscent of the San Nicolas du Chardonette style.
Yet people are mocking the thread probably in part for what the title could imply.
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If we do nothing the enemy will continue to walk all over us.
The triumph of our Lady will involve the victories of Catholic men and women, they are inseperable.
Most people here are just saying "say your rosary", but that is not enough. God never grants a miracle that we could accomplish with our own hands.
It is up to us to reclaim the church.
Enough of this dithering. We have to get serious about this and start to get our freak on.
BRILLIANT!
In the midst of apocalyptic musings, thou SoulGuard bringeth a curveth ball that turneth a monster Re donk ulous trajectory ---
from accusin' the Holy Fada to a fo' shizzlin inner display of gospel "soul" behind Irish Eyes
I'm not sure what any of these words mean, TPC, but I laughed out loud!
'tongue-in-cheek' spontaneous moment and obvious buffoonery on my part. Ironic, because I'm usually analytical without doing that.
I do 'get' where SoulGuard is coming from; even when my viewpoint or understanding of an original post is different from his. In part, because I look at myself as more of an outsider on Catholic Fora in general and thus find myself often reading posts that are totally different from my take.
On the other hand, there are still times, when I'll read a post and think to myself: "spot on," -- just what I was thinking. I remember back to a recent post by SoulGuard on his comments on St. Mark the Ascetic. I too was taken away by his stuff; -- and I've never heard of the guy. I guess you could say that I was on the same page with S.G's take there.
Add the recent somber tone around here with Matthew's unfortunate situation and 2VM's "depression" thread and I'm sure somewhere subconsciously I was prime for letting off some steam here -- but without trying to be a d!@# to anyone; resulting in that over the top reply
That's why I laughed. It took me by surprise, considering your usual solemn comments (that's meant to be a compliment).
As to the 'solemn tone' lately, continuing with tragic news on Thursday, I believe 'gallows humor' is a kind of escape/denial mechanism.
On to the topic. Soulguard said this and asked critical questions:
And do those principles tell you to be in obedience to non-Catholic freemasons who usurped the hierarchy?
How will the hierarchy be purged if their power is near absolute?
They have the power to make any man a bishop if he suit their agenda, and yet you would obey such a bishop and hierarchy and pope. You know that the hierarchy is full of freemasons and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs who do satanic rituals in the vatican, and yet you think they have a right to rule over you.
I am sure canon law has a solution to this problem.
The situation is not as simple as put up or shut up. Or pray pay and obey.
This is where many of us are in crisis - "non Catholic freemasons who usurped the hierarchy" How can we obey non Catholic freemasons in charge? They have total control of Rome. What is the remedy? Praying for a miracle? I'm all aboujt that, no problem, and ask for His Mercy every day. But canonically how does the Church provide for recovery of it's offices?
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On to the topic. Soulguard said this and asked critical questions:And do those principles tell you to be in obedience to non-Catholic freemasons who usurped the hierarchy?
How will the hierarchy be purged if their power is near absolute?
They have the power to make any man a bishop if he suit their agenda, and yet you would obey such a bishop and hierarchy and pope. You know that the hierarchy is full of freemasons and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs who do satanic rituals in the vatican, and yet you think they have a right to rule over you.
I am sure canon law has a solution to this problem.
The situation is not as simple as put up or shut up. Or pray pay and obey.
This is where many of us are in crisis - "non Catholic freemasons who usurped the hierarchy" How can we obey non Catholic freemasons in charge? They have total control of Rome. What is the remedy? Praying for a miracle? I'm all aboujt that, no problem, and ask for His Mercy every day. But canonically how does the Church provide for recovery of it's offices?
And do those principles tell you to be in obedience to non-Catholic freemasons who usurped the hierarchy?
= The million dollar question. First, internally am I aware that there is something wrong, but perhaps can't put a finger on it in the state of Rome? In particular, are they missing an essential attribute or property intergral to remain Catholic? IMHO, it has lost Apostolicity, an essential attribute inherent to being 'Catholic.'
As defined in Ott, pg 309"Apostolic signifies derived from the Apostles(de fide). We distinguish a threefold apostolicity: of origin, of teaching (doctrine), and of succession in office...She has always adhered to the teaching which she received from the Apostles... The 4 properties of Unity, Sanctity, Catholicity, and Apostolicity, since they appear externally and are easily recognisable, are not merely properties of being, but at the same time, outer marks of the true Church of Christ.
Based on this viewpoint, a concern is that what is coming out of Rome is diametrically opposite or incongruent with previous 'de fide' doctrine. Subsequent doubt results due to Vatican II changes to the Sacraments, the Liturgy, and my ability to obtain and become holy by participating in these changes. I appeal that my Faith is threatened and my ability to strive for personal holiness is hindered by the immersion into VII Theology and it's new laws.
Handbook of Moral Theology: Prummer
Cessation of Obligation through Impossibilty: Impossibility is either absolute or moral depending on whether a person finds it completely impossible to observe a law or can only do so with difficulty.
How is the hierarchy to be purged if their power is near absolute? What is the remedy? Praying for a miracle? ... abbreviated
First, I would develop a strategy first and foremost to save your eternal soul. For example, if you don't have access to the Sacraments easily; then practicing daily -- a perfect act of contrition, transforming fear into positive action; and increasing one's meaningful use before God would be some basics of a "Heaven's tool-kit" so to speak.
In particular, the perfect act of contrition because it first and foremost requires doing for the love of God rather than a fear of God. Could you imagine if tonight after you perform (to the best of your ability) a perfect act of contrition that later on it was deemed to be the end of time? You know, the whole "trumpets blaring"...Christ coming in all His Glory; not as the poor Carpenter's Son; but as the King of king's; as the terrible Judge of Mankind??? One day this will happen. And with health; even if we are healthy, things can change for the worse at a moment's time. It is better to be years "too early" than one minute too late. There is almost no way to perform a perfect act of contrition under extreme fear, duress, exhaustion because we are so focused on saving our butts that we can't turn our attention towards having sorrow because we have offended God for the love of God. So I would start there.
As to Rome, we will soon find out what the solution will be (aka, this November/ in a couple of years with Luther's anniversary); but it will be at a time when everyone will know it's too late. If you want to be more proactive; then my advice then would be to pray to the Sacred Heart of Jesus/ Immaculate Heart of Mary to do faithfully what your mission in life is in regards to the situation in Rome (sorry that I can't be of more help here).
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Forget to add (from last post) some other considerations:
Daily Meditation Subjects
1. A body to mortify
2. Angel and Saints to invoke
3. A soul to save
4. Death perhaps to suffer
5. Devils to combat
6. Eternity to prepare for
7. God to glorify
8. Heaven to gain
9. Hell to avoid
10. Jesus to imitate
11. Judgment to undergo
12. Neighbors to edify
13. Passions to subdue
14. Sins to expiate
15. Time to profit by
16. Virtues to acquire
17. World to despise
9 Ways to being accessory to another's sin = 1.Command/ 2.concealment/ 3.Consent/ 4.Counsel/ 5.Defense of the ill-done/ 6.Partaking/ 7. Praise or flattery/ 8. Provocation/ 9.Silence
Seven Deadly Sins/ Moral Virtues = 1.Anger/ Meekness; 2.Covetousness/Liberality; 3.Envy/Brotherly Love; 4.Gluttony/ Temperance; 5. Lust/ Chastity; 6. Pride/ Humility; 7. Sloth/ Diligence;
Sins Against the Holy Ghost = 1.Despair; 2.Envy of another's spiritual good; 3.Final Impenitence; 4.Impugning the known truth; 5.Obstinancy in sin; 6. Presumption upon God's mercy;
Eight Beatitudes: 1. Blessed are the poor in spirit; for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven. 2. Blessed are the meek; for they shall possess the land; 3.Blessed are they that mourn; for they shall be comforted; 4.Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after justice; for they shall be filled; 5. Blessed are the merciful; for they shall obtain mercy; 6.Blessed are the clean of heart; for they shall see God; 7. Blessed are the peacemakers; for they shall be called the children of God; 8. Blessed are they that suffer persecution for justice' sake; for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven
Three Eminently Good Works: 1.Prayer; 2.Fasting; 3.Almsgiving
4 Cardinal Virtues/ 3 Theological Virtues : 1.Fortitude; 2.Justice; 3.Prudence; 4. Temperance; 5. Faith/Hope/Charity
Corporal Works of Mercy/ Spiritual Works of Mercy: 1.)Feed the Hungry; 2.)Give Drink to the thirsty; 3.)Clothe the Nake; 4.)Shelter the needy; 5.)Visit the Sick; 6.)visit the imprisoned; 7.)bury the dead; ... 1.)Counsel the doubtful; 2.)Instruct the ignorant; 3.)Admonish the sinner; 4.)Comfort the afflicted; 5.)Forgive offences; 6.)Bear patiently the troublesome; 7.)pray for the living and the dead;
Sins crying to heaven for vengence:[/b] 1.)willful murder; 2.)ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity; 3.)oppression of the poor; 4.)defrauding laborers of their wages;
12 Fruits of the Holy Spirit: 1.)Benignity; 2.)Charity; 3.)Chastity; 4.)Continence; 5.)Fidelity; 6.)Goodness; 7.)Joy; 8.)Longanimity; 9.)Modesty; 10.)Mildness; 11.)Patience; 12.)Peace;
7 Gifts of the Holy Ghost: 1.)counsel; 2.)Fear of the Lord; 3.)Fortitude; 4.)Knowedge; 5.)Piety; 6.)Understanding; 7.) Wisdom
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The Spiritual Life: A Treatise on Ascetical and Mystical Theology: Tanquerey
On the True notion of Perfection: "All our actions then must be referred to God- to know, love and serve Him and thereby glorify Him, this is the end of life, the source of all perfection pg. 157
On Confession
St. Thomas Aquinas: Commentary on the Gospel of John "John 20:23: Whose sins you will forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you will retain, they are retained." "We should say, as we already did, that in the sacraments the priest acts as a minister: this is how one should regard us, as servants of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God (1 Cor 4:1). Thus, in the same way that God forgives and retains sins, so also does the priest. Now God forgives sins by giving grace, and he is said to retain by not giving grace because of some obstacle in the one who is to receive it. So also the minister forgives sins, insofar as he dispenses a sacrament of the Church, and he retains insofar as he accounts someone unworthy to receive the Sacrament, pg. 472, 478
A Handbook of Moral Theology Volume 2: Arthur Preuss, Anton Koch Requisites of Worthy Reception - Contrition: The Council of Trent defines contrition as a "sorrow of the soul and a detestation for sin committed, with the purpose of not sinning for the future." Hence contrition is essentially an act of the will, by which man renounces sin and determines to avoid it in future. The act of renunciation is called contrition in the strict sense, while the determination to avoid future sins is termed purpose of amendment. Being an interior sorrow of the soul, contrition differs from that purely intellectual regret which consists in a mere perception of the damnableness of sin, and also from the so-called terror conscientiae, i.e., the fear with which conscience is smitten upon being convinced of iniquity. Both these emotions may be present without a spark of genuine contrition. The moral value of contrition, as a turning away from sin and a turning to God, consists in its being an act of the will, and consequently it need not be accompanied by sensible pain or grief, nor manifest itself by sighs and tears.
Perfect Contrition: is inspired by charity, i.e., a perfect love of God as the supreme good for His own sake. Imperfect contrition, now technically called attrition, is sorrow inspired by some other supernatural motive, e.g, fear of eternal punishment, repugnance to sin as an offense against Almighty God, regret at having lost divine grace and forfeited heaven, etc. As can be easily seen, the distinction between perfect and imperfect contrition is not based upon the degree of sorrow a man has for his sins, but upon the motives by which that sorrow is inspired; this distinction is specific rather than generic. Perfect Contrition, coupled with a desire to receive the Sacrament of Penance, is sufficient to effect the forgiveness of sins not merely in cases of necessity, or when it reaches the highest possible degree of intensity, buto f itself and always. Imperfect contrition, on the other hand, can produce this effect only in connection with sacramental confession....(abbreviated) pg. 143
For people who confess the same sins over and over again: The Recidivist
Handbook of Moral Theology: Prummer The Recidivist: In the strict and formal meaning of the term, a recidivist is one who after repeated confession (on three or four occasions) frequently falls into the same sin with the result that there exists just reasons for doubting the good will of the penitent...that after repeated confession the penitent commits the same sin in similar circuмstances of time and place, so that one may prudently infer the continuance of an evil will in the penitent (cf. c. 2208/1). Absolution: in normal circuмstances the recidivist cannot be absolved unless he show special signs of sincerity such as to destroy the presumption against him of lack of suitable dispositions...The reason for the above rule is that the penitent's frequent relapses into the same sin with no sign of amendment create a strong presumption that he lack sincere attrition and firm purpose of amendment...(abbreviated)pg. 330
Fr. Ripperger on the "Recidivist" audio
Here (http://www.sensustraditionis.org/webaudio/Sermons/Disk9/Recidivism.mp3)
*on his website; he does asks for a donation of a dollar or to offer up a decade of the Rosary for each downloaded audio file
Fr. Ripperger's audio file website (http://www.sensustraditionis.org/multimedia.html)
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PerEvangelicaDicta,
My last post wasn't good in phrasing a (workable) definition of perfect contrition in the way I intended. I'll use different angles from different Theologians to really try to break it down into concrete parts. Make it shorter, but more applicable to living in today's world of 2014; but in step wise fashion... Back to the drawing board (I may send you a PM instead) and or create a new thread...
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I can't believe the Conciliarist heresy is being advocated on CathInfo…
It's only Conciliarism if you think that the V2 Popes are the popes.
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IF the entire body of Traditional Catholics would be able to get together and unanimously agree that the Holy See is vacant and could elect a Pope by way of an Imperfect Council, then I see nothing wrong with it. Problem is that typically it's the Pope who is the center of unity in the Church and no such consensus is likely without direct intervention from God. Even if everyone were to agree that Francis (for example) is not the pope, the sedeprivationists would not agree that we would have the right to elect a new pope, etc.
It'll take God's intervention, not just some ranting on CathInfo, to resolve this crisis. Otherwise, five people will get together and elect someone like Bawden to the "Holy See".
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TPC, you and a few others have detected my struggle with the big picture and have been patiently replying to my pained questions. God bless you for that, for He hears my pleas each day to not be confounded and thus be separated from Him.
A new thread would be beneficial, don't you think? That is, to draw specific attention to this most critical issue that you brilliantly described as a state in which we cannot attain holiness if we were to follow the direction of these unholy men.
I will finish reading and digesting your comments, and those of Ladislaus. Thank you all.
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CentroAmerica, the heterodox things the Romans are doing does not give us the right to do something that traditional teaching clearly shows is not in our power to do.
If we really wish to rebuild Christendom and the Church, our actions must be informed by Catholic principles.
And do those principles tell you to be in obedience to non-Catholic freemasons who usurped the hierarchy?
How will the hierarchy be purged if their power is near absolute? They have the power to make any man a bishop if he suit their agenda, and yet you would obey such a bishop and hierarchy and pope. You know that the hierarchy is full of freemasons and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs who do satanic rituals in the vatican, and yet you think they have a right to rule over you.
I am sure canon law has a solution to this problem.
The situation is not as simple as put up or shut up. Or pray pay and obey.
This is a war situation, but we have our heads in the sand.
Even if we break the rules, so what? Is that not necessary to save the church?
These rules cannot be enforced legally when they defeat their origional purpose.
This thread is on the most difficult topic of the 21st Century and the above quotes indicate as much. Our problem is that hearts have grown too cold, not that heads are too hot. We require heads so hot they will start to warm our hearts, i.e., we need actually and really to reject rationalism and be Catholics again. We are perishing from cool heads and frozen hearts.
We need intellects hot enough to start functioning so that we begin to see the forest for the trees. We need some normal Catholic imagination. Then there would at last be mention of the elephant in the living room, namely, the Apocalypse.
Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,
If this isn't the Apocalypse, then what might be? We keep repeating that things will remain normal until the End of Time. Well, perhaps it is therefore time to smell the roses, so to speak. This is the long-awaited End of Time, and welcome to it!
Our fatal flaw is our rationalism. We have only childish simplistic notions of our Catholic religion and expect the Apocalypse to be some variety of cartoon or cheap fundamentalist soap opera. (Fundamentalist and secularist modernism are both of them rationalist and cold to the max.)
Basically the Apocalypse began in 1914 (or 1917) and has been getting worse ever since. Popes St. Pius X and Pius XII said repeatedly in public that the Apocalypse was beginning. All through our history the Apocalypse was expected to begin in the 20th Century. If we are not simple-minded rationalists we should see that the 20th Century was the outbreak of the Apocalypse, so to speak, on steroids. The recent global show-down around Syria (i.e., around the Holy Land) was the perfect fulfillment to a tee of the prophecies on the Battle of Armageddon. To expect some different climactic Last Days is to expect some childish rationalist materialist literalism that has never existed and never will. Roman Catholicism is not like that, never has been and never will be. That was John Calvin's materialist rationalist Fideist religion, but it is not a Catholic's religion.
Catholics are not Fideists. We are expected to have brains and hearts and to use them! And that means to have imaginations as well such that we can see easily and clearly that we are living the Last Days of Planet Earth and it is, so to speak, well past time for us to smell the coffee and get a move on. This is not merely war. This is Holy War! And there can be no mere renewal of the Church. There is the Second Coming of the Lord and the resurrection of Holy Mother Church from the dead.
Catholics are required by faith to believe in the Whole Christ, and that includes the Parousia. As Roman Catholics we are required to really and truly believe in the Parousia as something absolutely real (not something cartoonish, but as the real and historic End of History) and as something to be vividly expected by all the faithful. The Parousia is not and never has been any marginal luxury that Catholics sort of believe in with a wink and a nod. As Roman Catholics we believe in the Parousia of Our Lord Jesus Christ. Totally and without reservations.
Catholicism has never ever taught for even one moment that at the End of Time the Papacy might not cease. The Papacy is not merely suffering another temporary vacancy. The Papacy has been violently obliterated from the face of the earth by the evil powers and principalities of this world (aka the Allied Powers). The Soviet K.G.B. and the American C.I.A. have quite literally murdered and usurped our Papacy. And this has happened because we are living in the Last Days of this dark and fallen world. "The End" is not nigh, it is here right in our faces.
We need to become so hot-headed and warm-hearted that we stop being rationalists and start to pray and study as Catholics and clearly see the reality now all around us. In truth Our Lord is not far to seek. We need but to open our timid rationalist eyes and we will see Him.
This our 21st Century is the Parousia of the Lord.
We should not expect another Pope or an earthly Restoration. We should expect with all our minds and all our hearts the Coming of Our Lord Jesus Christ and trailing behind Him with clouds of glory! Again, this is not the time for reforms or wars. This is the time for the Holy War that brings such utter destruction to this world that many Catholics will live to see a New Heaven and a New Earth descend and the long-prophesied millennial Kingdom of God on earth.
That is our own time, and nothing less than that.
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This thread is on the most difficult topic of the 21st Century and the above quotes indicate as much. Our problem is that hearts have grown too cold, not that heads are too hot. We require heads so hot they will start to warm our hearts, i.e., we need actually and really to reject rationalism and be Catholics again. We are perishing from cool heads and frozen hearts.
We need intellects hot enough to start functioning so that we begin to see the forest for the trees. We need some normal Catholic imagination. Then there would at last be mention of the elephant in the living room, namely, the Apocalypse.
Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,
If this isn't the Apocalypse, then what might be? We keep repeating that things will remain normal until the End of Time. Well, perhaps it is therefore time to smell the roses, so to speak. This is the long-awaited End of Time, and welcome to it!
Our fatal flaw is our rationalism. We have only childish simplistic notions of our Catholic religion and expect the Apocalypse to be some variety of cartoon or cheap fundamentalist soap opera. (Fundamentalist and secularist modernism are both of them rationalist and cold to the max.)
Basically the Apocalypse began in 1914 (or 1917) and has been getting worse ever since. Popes St. Pius X and Pius XII said repeatedly in public that the Apocalypse was beginning. All through our history the Apocalypse was expected to begin in the 20th Century. If we are not simple-minded rationalists we should see that the 20th Century was the outbreak of the Apocalypse, so to speak, on steroids. The recent global show-down around Syria (i.e., around the Holy Land) was the perfect fulfillment to a tee of the prophecies on the Battle of Armageddon. To expect some different climactic Last Days is to expect some childish rationalist materialist literalism that has never existed and never will. Roman Catholicism is not like that, never has been and never will be. That was John Calvin's materialist rationalist Fideist religion, but it is not a Catholic's religion.
Catholics are not Fideists. We are expected to have brains and hearts and to use them! And that means to have imaginations as well such that we can see easily and clearly that we are living the Last Days of Planet Earth and it is, so to speak, well past time for us to smell the coffee and get a move on. This is not merely war. This is Holy War! And there can be no mere renewal of the Church. There is the Second Coming of the Lord and the resurrection of Holy Mother Church from the dead.
Catholics are required by faith to believe in the Whole Christ, and that includes the Parousia. As Roman Catholics we are required to really and truly believe in the Parousia as something absolutely real (not something cartoonish, but as the real and historic End of History) and as something to be vividly expected by all the faithful. The Parousia is not and never has been any marginal luxury that Catholics sort of believe in with a wink and a nod. As Roman Catholics we believe in the Parousia of Our Lord Jesus Christ. Totally and without reservations.
Catholicism has never ever taught for even one moment that at the End of Time the Papacy might not cease. The Papacy is not merely suffering another temporary vacancy. The Papacy has been violently obliterated from the face of the earth by the evil powers and principalities of this world (aka the Allied Powers). The Soviet K.G.B. and the American C.I.A. have quite literally murdered and usurped our Papacy. And this has happened because we are living in the Last Days of this dark and fallen world. "The End" is not nigh, it is here right in our faces.
We need to become so hot-headed and warm-hearted that we stop being rationalists and start to pray and study as Catholics and clearly see the reality now all around us. In truth Our Lord is not far to seek. We need but to open our timid rationalist eyes and we will see Him.
This our 21st Century is the Parousia of the Lord.
We should not expect another Pope or an earthly Restoration. We should expect with all our minds and all our hearts the Coming of Our Lord Jesus Christ and trailing behind Him with clouds of glory! Again, this is not the time for reforms or wars. This is the time for the Holy War that brings such utter destruction to this world that many Catholics will live to see a New Heaven and a New Earth descend and the long-prophesied millennial Kingdom of God on earth.
That is our own time, and nothing less than that.
Excellent, as always, Sir Franciscan Solitary. Spoken as a true Catholic.