Author Topic: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo (Read 33851 times)

Your Friend Colin · « **Reply #50 on:** October 18, 2020, 05:22:53 PM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson on October 18, 2020, 05:06:12 PM

Luther and Calvin agree:

Every man is free to decide who is pope for him, and who is not.

And if he decides wrongly, what does that matter?

Personally, I am persuaded Ibranyi is correct: There hasn’t been a pope in 1,000 years (and there won’t ever be another one).

I really can’t see any problems with that:

940 years from now, all today’s sedes will share the same batshit crazy theory they ridicule in their brother today.

Terrible analogy.
Sean, as I said, in practice, R&R’s do the EXACT same things sedes do. For some reason you have decided to draw the line at the question of the Pope as going too far (why?).
R&Rs think it is acceptable to denounce their church’s
1) ecuмenical councils
2) universal liturgy
3) Sacraments
4) theology
5) canonizations
6) canon law
And basically anything YOU don’t like.
But when someone asks how a false religion can come from the authority of Christ, you go berserk.
You’ve made plenty of your own “private judgments”, Sean.

Mark 79 · « **Reply #51 on:** October 18, 2020, 05:24:27 PM »

Mark 79 · « **Reply #52 on:** October 18, 2020, 05:33:06 PM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson on October 18, 2020, 05:06:12 PM

Luther and Calvin agree:

Every man is free to decide who is pope for him, and who is not.

And if he decides wrongly, what does that matter?

Personally, I am persuaded Ibranyi is correct: There hasn’t been a pope in 1,000 years (and there won’t ever be another one).

I really can’t see any problems with that:

940 years from now, all today’s sedes will share the same batshit crazy theory they ridicule in their brother today.

Hysterical straw man.
Nobody here has made an every-man-for-himself argument, only refusing to be blind to what is manifest and what is in the Deposit of Faith.
Such hysterical exaggeration and straw man illogic is unbecoming of a man who assembled As We Are?

Yeti · « **Reply #53 on:** October 18, 2020, 05:34:21 PM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson on October 18, 2020, 05:06:12 PM

Luther and Calvin agree:

Every man is free to decide who is pope for him, and who is not.

And if he decides wrongly, what does that matter?

Personally, I am persuaded Ibranyi is correct: There hasn’t been a pope in 1,000 years (and there won’t ever be another one).

I really can’t see any problems with that:

940 years from now, all today’s sedes will share the same batshit crazy theory they ridicule in their brother today.

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There's a larger context to this question than what you describe. Sedevacantists are not just arbitrarily deciding who the pope is, as Ibranyi does. They are reacting to an obvious, major problem with the idea that Bergoglio believes in the Catholic Faith, and that is something we all agree on. What Bergoglio teaches and professes belief in is not the Catholic religion. We have not arbitrarily decided that; we have observed it.
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As far as Ibranyi goes, I don't consider him a Catholic anyway, but that's another discussion.

Mark 79 · « **Reply #54 on:** October 18, 2020, 05:36:34 PM »

Quote from: Your Friend Colin on October 18, 2020, 05:22:53 PM

Terrible analogy.
Sean, as I said, in practice, R&R’s do the EXACT same things sedes do. For some reason you have decided to draw the line at the question of the Pope as going too far (why?).
R&Rs think it is acceptable to denounce their church’s
1) ecuмenical councils
2) universal liturgy
3) Sacraments
4) theology
5) canonizations
6) canon law
And basically anything YOU don’t like.
But when someone asks how a false religion can come from the authority of Christ, you go berserk.
You’ve made plenty of your own “private judgments”, Sean.

Precisely so!

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