Author Topic: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo (Read 33879 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #5 on:** October 16, 2020, 02:35:17 PM »

Well, R&R has a tendency to resolve itself one way or another. We've seen this process for years. It's a very tenuous place to be.

If the Conciliar hierarchy is legitimate, then the Catholic sensibility draws one toward submission to them, toward submission to the Vicar of Christ.

If one CANNOT submit to them, then the Catholic sensibility draws one toward concluding that they are illegitimate.

What has always distinguished Catholics from those outside the Church is the submission to the teaching authority of the Church. That is THE uniquely Catholic sensibility. So this recognition of their teaching authority and, at the same time, refusal to submit ... runs counter to the deepest Catholic instincts, and it tends to resolve itself one way or the other.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #6 on:** October 16, 2020, 02:43:42 PM »

There are three questions involved in a dialectic between the different positions regarding the Crisis.

1) Has the Conciliar Church taught error?
2) Do the V2 papal claimants exercise the teaching authority of the Church?
3) Are Catholics nearly always required to submit to the teaching authority of the Church?

Conservative Novus Ordites say no to #1 and yes to #2 and #3.

Sedevacantists say yes to #1 and #3, but no to #2.

R&R say yes to #1 and #2, but no to #3.

Salza, in "studying sedevacantism" falsely elevated #2 to a DOGMATIC fact. So for him, all that was left was to either say no to #1 or no to #3. I guess that Salza concluded yes to #3 and therefore migrated to the NO position.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #7 on:** October 16, 2020, 02:47:14 PM »

For Traditional Catholics, this should serve to discredit Salza's magnum opus against sedevacantism.

Matto · « **Reply #8 on:** October 16, 2020, 03:02:41 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on October 16, 2020, 02:47:14 PM

For Traditional Catholics, this should serve to discredit Salza's magnum opus against sedevacantism.

Well, if Tertullien can still be a Church Father, Salza can still be a burning bush of anti-sedevacantism.

I am curious if he went Novus Ordo or Eastern Rite or Anglican Ordinariate or indult. Although this just happened today so the process is not over yet. Who knows, next week he may be back at the SSPX chapel.

Matthew · « **Reply #9 on:** October 16, 2020, 03:10:06 PM »

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Well, R&R has a tendency to resolve itself one way or another. We've seen this process for years. It's a very tenuous place to be.

If the Conciliar hierarchy is legitimate, then the Catholic sensibility draws one toward submission to them, toward submission to the Vicar of Christ.

If one CANNOT submit to them, then the Catholic sensibility draws one toward concluding that they are illegitimate.

What has always distinguished Catholics from those outside the Church is the submission to the teaching authority of the Church. That is THE uniquely Catholic sensibility. So this recognition of their teaching authority and, at the same time, refusal to submit ... runs counter to the deepest Catholic instincts, and it tends to resolve itself one way or the other.

I agree, that R&R is the hardest position to hold.

In other news, it's 10X easier to watch a dumb TV show than read a classic work of literature.

Nevertheless, R&R is the best position in my opinion, exemplified by the saintly life and Catholic attitude of +ABL.

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Author Topic: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo (Read 33879 times)

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