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Author Topic: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo  (Read 33867 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2020, 03:29:30 PM »
I agree, that R&R is the hardest position to hold.

In other news, it's 10X easier to watch a dumb TV show than read a classic work of literature.

Nevertheless, R&R is the best position in my opinion, exemplified by the saintly life and Catholic attitude of +ABL.

Right, and you see that tension even with +ABL himself, where sometimes he slouched towards normalizing relations with the NO while at others he flirted with sedevacantism.  He slid back and forth on that continuum.  And then, within R&R, you have some who have a harder line and flirt with sedevacantism while others are soft and lean toward reunion ... which is the rift between the Resistance and the neo-SSPX right now.

This Crisis has created a situation where none of the potential "answers" is pleasant.

Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2020, 04:10:31 AM »
I just sent Mr. Salza a communication asking whether he could confirm the report and if it was true whether he could say why.


Online Stubborn

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Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2020, 05:31:10 AM »
If one CANNOT submit to them, then the Catholic sensibility draws one toward concluding that they are illegitimate.
The pioneer Catholics who kept the faith in the 60s never concluded such a thing, because prior to V2, that was not the Catholic thing to do, Catholics back then never even considered such a thing. Deciding the pope to be illegitimate was authored by a priest, Fr. (now bishop) Sanborn, and that idea did not really surface till around the mid 70s, it really only started to grow in popularity in the mid 80s.

But prior to that, Catholic sensibility during the infancy of the revolution was to keep and stay true to the only faith they ever knew, and that the happenings within the Church contrary to that faith were to be avoided. The Catholic sensibilities said that worrying about the pope's legitimacy would have only unnecessarily been, and still is, cause for greater confusion and division among those striving to keep the faith. How very right they were - and still are.

But understand if you can that Catholic sensibility does not now, nor has it ever drawn any priest or lay person toward concluding that they are illegitimate, rather, I would say like the pioneering Catholics, that venturing into that arena is due to a lack of Catholic sensibility. It may be some other sensibility, but it's not Catholic sensibility.          

Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2020, 05:40:48 AM »
The pioneer Catholics who kept the faith in the 60s never concluded such a thing, because prior to V2, that was not the Catholic thing to do, Catholics back then never even considered such a thing. Deciding the pope to be illegitimate was authored by a priest, Fr. (now bishop) Sanborn, and that idea did not really surface till around the mid 70s, it really only started to grow in popularity in the mid 80s.

But prior to that, Catholic sensibility during the infancy of the revolution was to keep and stay true to the only faith they ever knew, and that the happenings within the Church contrary to that faith were to be avoided. The Catholic sensibilities said that worrying about the pope's legitimacy would have only unnecessarily been, and still is, cause for greater confusion and division among those striving to keep the faith. How very right they were - and still are.

But understand if you can that Catholic sensibility does not now, nor has it ever drawn any priest or lay person toward concluding that they are illegitimate, rather, I would say like the pioneering Catholics, that venturing into that arena is due to a lack of Catholic sensibility. It may be some other sensibility, but it's not Catholic sensibility.          
Very nicely put, Stubborn.

Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2020, 06:59:45 AM »
I just sent Mr. Salza a communication asking whether he could confirm the report and if it was true whether he could say why.
A few people have tweeted his account at "trueorfalsepope" and so far he appears to be ignoring them.