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Author Topic: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?  (Read 444690 times)

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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #645 on: April 17, 2018, 11:37:54 PM »
In the Tridentine Profession of Faith Roman Catholics swear TRUE obedience to the Pope.

Your position is not that of TRUE obedience.

Actually, your position advocates quite the opposite. It promotes disobedience towards the Roman Pontiff, "resistance to his face", as they say.

In our position, we ignore the impostor. In yours, you disobey the Pope, in opposition to the Tridentine profession of Faith.

Which of the two do you think is more in accord with the Roman Catholic religion?

Please explain the difference between:

1. We have what looks like a good and valid pope who one day teaches error. Some people reject the error, but keep the pope.

2. We have what looks like a good and valid pope who one day teaches error. Some people reject the error, as well as the pope.

Which of these two positions do you believe is that of "TRUE obedience"?

Hint: you may wish to consult St. Thomas Aquinas on the "TRUE meaning of obedience"!

Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #646 on: April 18, 2018, 12:19:26 AM »
This is a discussion of the deaf.

Simple questions are "down thumbed" and ignored, in typical sedehypocrisy style.

I have better things to do. I hope to see you all in Heaven one day. Good luck!

PS : Drew, I am still thinking about your position on the Rule of Faith. I am not convinced, but I will let you know via PM if I want to further discuss this with you.


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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #647 on: April 18, 2018, 03:40:06 AM »
In the Tridentine Profession of Faith Roman Catholics swear TRUE obedience to the Pope.

Your position is not that of TRUE obedience.

Actually, your position advocates quite the opposite. It promotes disobedience towards the Roman Pontiff, "resistance to his face", as they say.


In our position, we ignore the impostor. In yours, you disobey the Pope, in opposition to the Tridentine Profession of Faith.

Which of these two above do you think is more in accord with the Holy Roman Catholic religion?
Cantarella, his position is that of TRUE obedience, same as all Catholics. Your issue is that his position is not one of BLIND obedience.

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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #648 on: April 18, 2018, 10:06:20 AM »
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We reject the Novus Ordo Mass simply because it is promulgated by an anti-Pope,
You reject the novus ordo because you believe Paul VI was an anti-pope, yet you believe he was an anti-pope BECAUSE the novus ordo is not catholic.

CIRCULAR REASONING TO THE EXTREME!

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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #649 on: April 18, 2018, 10:12:48 AM »
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At the end of the day, you reduce the Magisterium to nothing more than a man (the Pope) or a group of men (Fathers of Vatican II) opining about doctrinal matters.  If what they happen to say is true, then it has authority.  If what they happen to say is false (by my judgment), then it has no authority.
If they do not engage the solemn magisterium and teach 'with certainty of faith' then their magisterium is FALLIBLE and CONDITIONAL, ergo, yes - they are teaching with their simple authority inherent in their offices as simple bishops, or theologians.

And yes, in this case, the litmus test is whether or not their fallible teachings AGREE WITH TRADITION and the UNIVERSAL MAGISTERIUM (which is the CONSTANT teachings over the 2,000 years of the church, not (as you incorrectly define it) as being "universal" just because it came from an ecuмenical council.)  The word "universal" means over the course of Church history.  It refers to the past magisteriums of the Church; it does not refer to the PRESENT DAY in any scenario.  If you would change your mindset on this, you might figure things out.