So it is not going to happen. Ya right. IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. Really big things are happening in Europe. You need to get out of your ghetto of trad blog sites.

LOL definitely false.

The truth is, I believe you to be the biggest worker of iniquity on this forum, the reason I believe it is because you demonstrate  it with almost every post.

You've openly contradicted Catholic teaching and declared that you need not give religious assent to the teachings of the Pope or Bishops unless you personally believe them to be true.

Your understanding of what the magisterium even is coincides perfectly with Lad's and Cantarella's, and the only place that idea is found, is as an official teaching of the conciliar church and only within the docuмents of V2 - Go read Lumen Gentium 25.2.

OTOH, I gave you the explanation of what the Magisterium is as explained by Pope Pius IX himself, but like Lad and Cantarella and AES and most other sedes and even non-sedes, you reject that explanation, choosing instead Pope Paul VI's NO explanation - then you all go on spouting that his explanation is a dogma of the Church - and like the rest, you don't even realize the "doctrine" you are promoting is strictly a new, NO doctrine from a conciliar pope, while you and the rest constantly attempt to pass it off as if that doctrine is an infallible teaching of the Church. Sedes are sooooo screwed up!

So you all can feel free to keep calling those of us heretics who disagree with and expose that NO doctrine, a NO doctrine which you all say you believe is an infallible teaching of the Church.

While your reasoning to call us heretics is based on your false belief and therefore is understandable, your obstinate refusal to accept  correction when the truth is indisputably proven and presented to you over and over again is not only not understandable, it is downright iniquitous already.

Even your quote, which again is about UNIVERSAL Magisterium, mentions the "ordinary teaching authority of the entire Church spread over the whole world". This does not mean Stubborn's authority to interpret dogma as he pleases. This means the authority the Bishops all over the world have to teach doctrine, doctrine we are required to give religious assent to.

In all my debates with sedevacantists, with very, very few exceptions, the vast majority are quick to call fellow catholics heretics, schismatics, protestants, etc.  They are always very quick to judge, condemn and crucify.  Deep down, they don't argue to learn or grow, but "to win".  It goes to show the true motive of most of these individuals, which is not charity, nor the search for truth (for they have too much pride to be open to the truth, or to admit they could be wrong).  Their search is ultimately for the juvenile and immature "feeling" of security, which they MUST have, at all costs, because the crisis in the Church is too much for them to handle emotionally. 

I doubt he believes that.  Secondly, how can one "submit" to a magisterium that doesn't require submission?

Many of you throw around the word "submit" without understanding what the word means.  The Church requires submission to teachings that are necessary for salvation.  V2 and new rome have not required submission and have REPEATEDLY SAID that any novelties should be interpreted 'in the light of Tradition'.  Ergo, they are saying that TRUE SUBMISSION is to be given to TRADITION and CONSTANT TRUTHS of our Faith.  All else does not require submission, only conditional assent.  Conditional assent IS NOT SUBMISSION.  It is impossible to submit to a condition.


V2 new-rome has said that any novelties should be interpreted in the light of tradition.  If you want to argue that Stubborn's INTERPRETATION is wrong, fine.  But you must admit that he's not making stuff up; he's quoting Traditional passages.


Protestants questioned INFALLIBLE, DOCTRINAL, DEFINED TEACHINGS.  Any catholic who questions V2, which we are allowed to do, is not remotely close to protestantism.  

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In all my debates with sedevacantists, with very, very few exceptions, the vast majority are quick to call fellow catholics heretics, schismatics, protestants, etc.  They are always very quick to judge, condemn and crucify.  Deep down, they don't argue to learn or grow, but "to win".  It goes to show the true motive of most of these individuals, which is not charity, nor the search for truth (for they have too much pride to be open to the truth, or to admit they could be wrong).  Their search is ultimately for the juvenile and immature "feeling" of security, which they MUST have, at all costs, because the crisis in the Church is too much for them to handle emotionally.  

Much like Martin Luther, whose heresies were born from a false fear of God and of extreme despair that he would be saved, and who rejected all catholic truths which were remotely connected to his having to worry over hell...So most sedes have an inordinate fear of chaos and error, and of not trusting in their knowledge of Tradition or their prayers for God's wisdom, so they throw out the entire roman curia, even the pope, so to remove the temptation that they would be corrupted.   And those catholics who do not follow them into this rash reaction, this self-anointed judgement of rome, and this extreme view of papal adulation, they cast out of their 'pope-less church' and they declare they are the only catholics who "have it right".  In their false efforts to protect the Truth, they make themselves the sole authority, to the detriment of their humility and the unity of tradition.