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Offline Papa Pius V

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Re: Indifference to the Faith at SSPX Chapels
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2021, 06:12:20 PM »
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  • So now we know what you are  :laugh1:

    Why are you on this forum a**hole?
    The subheader of Cathinfo: A message board for SSPX, Resistance and other Traditional
    Catholics to discuss news and matters pertaining to the Catholic Faith.

    Also do you kiss your dog with that filthy tongue? Or do you just clean his behind with it?

    Offline Incredulous

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    Re: Indifference to the Faith at SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #16 on: February 05, 2021, 05:18:59 AM »
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  • The sad irony of your avatar, of a Saintly Peter, who codified the Tridentine Mass.

    Yet, you spin for the neo-SSPX, who in recent years has betrayed Catholic tradition, with zionist lawyers, Dutch re-branding, toxic-vaccine approvals and Speed-Masses.

    Your a pathetic excuse for a trad,
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Indifference to the Faith at SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #17 on: February 05, 2021, 07:51:05 AM »
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  • The sad irony of your avatar, of a Saintly Peter, who codified the Tridentine Mass.

    Yet, you spin for the neo-SSPX, who in recent years has betrayed Catholic tradition, with zionist lawyers, Dutch re-branding, toxic-ναccιnє approvals and Speed-Masses.

    Your a pathetic excuse for a trad,
    Sadly your type are among those who left the Church during the Western Schism or the other periods of time when the papacy was a scandal such as when some popes had children or mistresses or bought their way into office.
    You desire perfection in a fallen world.

    Let's wait and see when the time comes that you will say the same things about the Resistance as well.

    I'm not a "trad." Simply a Catholic.

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    Re: Indifference to the Faith at SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #18 on: February 05, 2021, 08:05:22 AM »
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  • Smacks of Donatism. Is everything only good and perfect among Resistance folk? Why pick out the Society only, Last Tradhican?

    Who on earth told you only 1% of baptized Catholics will be saved? You made that up. And if you thought there was a danger of it, why not hand out Our Lady's Scapular, to which She promised the Grace of Final Perseverance, to fellow chapel-goers?

    Why not preach, as St. Montfort did, that the solution to some of the legitimate problems you describe, is to pray the Holy Rosary every day, especially 15 decades if we can? As that great Saint taught, we cannot continue always praying the Rosary and always continuing in attachment to grave sin. One will drive out the other. Either we will stop praying the Rosary, or we will give up our sin.

    Why not speak about the Eucharistic Jesus, His Precious Blood, His Holy Wounds, the importance of meditation upon His Passion, on devout participation in the Holy Sacrifice, on God's Infinite Love in remaining with us always in the Blessed Sacrament, and of how we injure His Sacred Heart every time we sin, and must be moved to contrition and sorrow for our sins in having offended so gravely His Infinite Goodness? I see a lot of blaming and finger-pointing, but no actual spiritual guidance or helpful solutions from some.

    If we wish to be holy, we should frequent the Sacraments, weekly or at least monthly Confession, daily or at least weekly Holy Mass and Holy Communion, a burning love for the Blessed Sacrament and Eucharistic Adoration, and a deep love for God and neighbor. Love for Jesus Christ Our Lord, for His Holy Church, and for the Souls which He redeemed at the cost of His Precious Blood, must be the guiding principle of everything we do. As Our Lady of Fatima told, many poor sinners go to hell because there is no one to pray and sacrifice for them. So what we must do is Consecrate ourselves and all our actions to Our Lord through Our Lady, and strive to do all the actions of our lives for the Glory of God and the Salvation of Souls alone. We ought to say "Jesus, Mary, Joseph! I love You! Save Souls!" very often.

    St. Louis Marie Montfort concludes, in explaining True Devotion to Jesus through Mary, To appreciate the excellence of this motive we must understand what a wonderful thing it is to convert a sinner or to deliver a soul from Purgatory. It is an infinite good, greater than the creation of heaven and earth, since it gives a soul the possession of God... It may well be that at the hour of death a person who has been faithful to this devotion will find that he has freed many souls from Purgatory and converted many sinners, even though he performed only the ordinary actions of his state of life. Great will be his joy at the judgement. Great will be his glory throughout eternity.”

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    Re: Indifference to the Faith at SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #19 on: February 05, 2021, 10:01:06 AM »
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  • Wow, Last, do the people at your chapel know how strongly you despise them and consider yourself better than them? And if you don't consider yourself better than them, then why are you condemning them? Why not just look after your own soul?
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    You must be the most popular guy in the donut room after Mass. :laugh1:


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    Re: Indifference to the Faith at SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #20 on: February 05, 2021, 12:34:33 PM »
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  • Wow, Last, do the people at your chapel know how strongly you despise them and consider yourself better than them? And if you don't consider yourself better than them, then why are you condemning them? Why not just look after your own soul?
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    You must be the most popular guy in the donut room after Mass. :laugh1:
    Perhaps the writer has no children, daughters? Being a parent is not about popularity.

    My posting here is a warning to Catholics at St. Mary's Kansas, Syracuse, my chapel which I have not named, and to any other chapel which is going through the same problems, which I keep repeating happened the same way in the 1060's when all the Catholic churches celebrated the Latin Mass and all the sacraments were undoubtable valid.

    If one is worried about being popular, one tells everyone what they want to hear. My purpose is not to be popular but to warn people of the precipice they are walking towards. Just in my chapel we have four unwed pregnancies  and there are many more to come. 

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    Re: Indifference to the Faith at SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #21 on: February 05, 2021, 12:41:26 PM »
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  • I have been observing for some time now that many of the new (since the late 1990’s) parents that go to my SSPX chapel, do so because of their children and not because they are seeking the faith and truth. They believe that exposing their children to “religion” will make them good children (and teenagers).  In my long experience it does not work that way. The parents have to lead by example, really living the faith. Just going to mass for the children will eventually be seen by the children for the hypocrisy that it is. I saw the same exact thing in the 1960’s when the Latin Mass was the only mass and all the sacraments were undoubtable real. It was not long after that time that the children left the Church and took up the cult of free-love, contraceptives, abortion, divorce, and a life of being passed from one man to another.

    It is happening again in my SSPX chapel. It is also happening in the SSPX community in St. Mary’s Kansas, the icon of all SSPX communities with schools from K-12 to college. It is happening in the SSPX schools in Syracuse, NY. All the girls from my chapel  that were sent away to SSPX schools in St. Mary’s and Syracuse, all came back wearing immodest clothing (pencil skirts, short shorts, bathing suits, tight jeans) and boy crazy, seeking or having “boyfriends” and “dating”. Setting a bad example for all the younger girls.

    The signs are all there for the loss of the faith and the downhill slide to the misery of the 1960’s (“It was not long after that time that the children left the Church and took up the cult of free-love, contraceptives, abortion, divorce and a life of being passed from one man to another”.) It is already happening at a fast pace, three unwed pregnancies, and more to come.
    Unless parents and especially priests wake up on see, the downhill slide will continue, it will be the 1960’s all over again.

    It would be difficult to see everything that you describe above. I can understand having anxiety about it, because it may not seem like anything can be done about it. Three unwed pregnancies is a lot. I know of one at the SSPX chapel that I attend, but that was years ago. I recall being rather shocked about it at the time. 

    I don't think that the situation at your chapel exists everywhere though.

    Have you discussed the situation with the priest at your chapel?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Indifference to the Faith at SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #22 on: February 05, 2021, 12:45:38 PM »
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  • Perhaps the writer has no children, daughters? Being a parent is not about popularity.

    My posting here is a warning to Catholics at St. Mary's Kansas, ...

    I too have tried, and so have others, but with each passing year, error build upon error and the immodesty and worldliness becomes the '"custom". I suspect that only a chastisement will wake up some people but the rest are "awake" but pretend to be "asleep".


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    Re: Indifference to the Faith at SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #23 on: February 05, 2021, 01:02:46 PM »
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  • Smacks of Donatism. Is everything only good and perfect among Resistance folk? Why pick out the Society only, Last Tradhican? (I wonder if the audience thought that the saints in those quotes were picking on their particular church when the saints said those quotes to them? And what does it matter if the SSPX is doing better or worse than the Novus Ordo, or sedevacantes, or the Resistance? I just happen to attend an SSPX chapel and I am writing about what I see happening and how it is the same as the 1960's. I can't write about the the Missouri Lutherans,  the Anglicans, Novus Ordo,  sedevacantes, or the Resistance because I do not go there.)

    Everything written below was taught and practiced in the 1960's when the only mass was the Latin Mass, and yet like 90% of Catholics left the Church and lost the faith. Read again what I wrote. If one is not sincere, if one is indifferent to the faith, they will fall. I know many families that go to mass, and do many of the practices below, yet they allow their daughters to dress immodestly, go to the beach in bikinis, wear short shorts.... .  
    Those all are big signs that something is terrible wrong. "Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven" (Mat7:21). The reason why they will not enter the kingdom of is because they are playing games with God.
    It is the 1960's all over again.
    Who on earth told you only 1% of baptized Catholics will be saved? You made that up. And if you thought there was a danger of it, why not hand out Our Lady's Scapular, to which She promised the Grace of Final Perseverance, to fellow chapel-goers?

    Why not preach, as St. Montfort did, that the solution to some of the legitimate problems you describe, is to pray the Holy Rosary every day, especially 15 decades if we can? As that great Saint taught, we cannot continue always praying the Rosary and always continuing in attachment to grave sin. One will drive out the other. Either we will stop praying the Rosary, or we will give up our sin.

    Why not speak about the Eucharistic Jesus, His Precious Blood, His Holy Wounds, the importance of meditation upon His Passion, on devout participation in the Holy Sacrifice, on God's Infinite Love in remaining with us always in the Blessed Sacrament, and of how we injure His Sacred Heart every time we sin, and must be moved to contrition and sorrow for our sins in having offended so gravely His Infinite Goodness? I see a lot of blaming and finger-pointing, but no actual spiritual guidance or helpful solutions from some.

    If we wish to be holy, we should frequent the Sacraments, weekly or at least monthly Confession, daily or at least weekly Holy Mass and Holy Communion, a burning love for the Blessed Sacrament and Eucharistic Adoration, and a deep love for God and neighbor. Love for Jesus Christ Our Lord, for His Holy Church, and for the Souls which He redeemed at the cost of His Precious Blood, must be the guiding principle of everything we do. As Our Lady of Fatima told, many poor sinners go to hell because there is no one to pray and sacrifice for them. So what we must do is Consecrate ourselves and all our actions to Our Lord through Our Lady, and strive to do all the actions of our lives for the Glory of God and the Salvation of Souls alone. We ought to say "Jesus, Mary, Joseph! I love You! Save Souls!" very often.

    St. Louis Marie Montfort concludes, in explaining True Devotion to Jesus through Mary, To appreciate the excellence of this motive we must understand what a wonderful thing it is to convert a sinner or to deliver a soul from Purgatory. It is an infinite good, greater than the creation of heaven and earth, since it gives a soul the possession of God... It may well be that at the hour of death a person who has been faithful to this devotion will find that he has freed many souls from Purgatory and converted many sinners, even though he performed only the ordinary actions of his state of life. Great will be his joy at the judgement. Great will be his glory throughout eternity.” (all

    My responses are in bold in the quote. The gentleman who wrote the above quote has no children. I think that if I didn't have all the daughters that I have I maybe would not care about the fate of other parents. I doubt it though.  

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    Re: Indifference to the Faith at SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #24 on: February 05, 2021, 01:07:08 PM »
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  • It's very sad to see the situation which LT describes, especially at St. Mary's, Kansas. It may serve as a warning, too, of what might be coming to other chapels.

    I recall a good sermon that a SSPX priest gave about ten or twelve years ago. He said that when the SSPX chapel first opened up in Minnesota, the faithful who first attended it went way over-the-top in their devotions, because they were so happy to finally have the Traditional Mass and sacraments. He said that they eventually calmed down a bit, but I have to wonder if now the faithful just take the traditional Mass and sacraments for granted. Or maybe their lives are too easy. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

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    Re: Indifference to the Faith at SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #25 on: February 05, 2021, 01:17:04 PM »
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  • It would be difficult to see everything that you describe above. I can understand having anxiety about it, because it may not seem like anything can be done about it. Three unwed pregnancies is a lot. I know of one at the SSPX chapel that I attend, but that was years ago. I recall being rather shocked about it at the time.
    Correction, I had forgotten the newest unwed pregnancy, is is now four. And worse, like I said, I see many more coming.


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    Re: Indifference to the Faith at SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #26 on: February 05, 2021, 01:29:29 PM »
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  • Correction, I had forgotten the newest unwed pregnancy, is is now four. And worse, like I said, I see many more coming.

    Sorry to hear that. It sounds like it has reached a crisis situation, especially if there's more coming.

    Does the priest give sermons on basic moral behavior, according to Catholic teaching? Maybe you already addressed this, and I missed it.
     
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Indifference to the Faith at SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #27 on: February 05, 2021, 01:34:09 PM »
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  • Sorry to hear that. It sounds like it has reached a crisis situation, especially if there's more.

    Does the priest give sermons on basic moral behavior, according to Catholic teaching?
    Not once in 10 years have I heard a priest say anything having to do with the way the young girls are dressing and living 24/7. As a matter of fact they had a teacher in the school that regularly walked around the neighborhood after school in short shorts, and they never said anything to her. I think they have been told to say nothing. 

    Cathinfo's Mr. G, went to St. Mary's Kansas, maybe he can answer your question with regard to St. Marys. 

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    Re: Indifference to the Faith at SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #28 on: February 05, 2021, 03:09:09 PM »
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  • Perhaps the writer has no children, daughters? Being a parent is not about popularity.

    My posting here is a warning to Catholics at St. Mary's Kansas, Syracuse, my chapel which I have not named, and to any other chapel which is going through the same problems, which I keep repeating happened the same way in the 1060's when all the Catholic churches celebrated the Latin Mass and all the sacraments were undoubtable valid.

    If one is worried about being popular, one tells everyone what they want to hear. My purpose is not to be popular but to warn people of the precipice they are walking towards. Just in my chapel we have four unwed pregnancies  and there are many more to come.
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    :laugh1: I have to ask ... do people at your church know that you think they are a bunch of degenerates? Really, I don't understand what you think you are going to accomplish by coming on here amd saying everyone else at your chapel is so wicked. Are you really some sort of saint yourself?
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    Sheesh, why don't you just talk to your fellow parishioners like a human being and get to know them and try to be a good example? That might actually do some good. But getting on here and condemning everyone else at your chapel doesn't help anyone, and it actually makes you look a little bit like a pharisee.

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    Re: Indifference to the Faith at SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #29 on: February 05, 2021, 03:17:44 PM »
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    :laugh1: I have to ask ... do people at your church know that you think they are a bunch of degenerates? Really, I don't understand what you think you are going to accomplish by coming on here amd saying everyone else at your chapel is so wicked. Are you really some sort of saint yourself?
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    Sheesh, why don't you just talk to your fellow parishioners like a human being and get to know them and try to be a good example? That might actually do some good. But getting on here and condemning everyone else at your chapel doesn't help anyone, and it actually makes you look a little bit like a pharisee.
    Well said