Author Topic: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX (Read 51051 times)

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #90 on:** November 14, 2019, 12:55:12 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on November 14, 2019, 11:44:18 AM

Some of you guys are ridiculous, and singlehandedly responsible for making Traditional Catholics look like nutjobs. (no explanations or quotes to point out who is or what makes X a "nutjob")

There's no way that some volleyball games played during a gym class at an all girls school leads to "masculinized" women. (who said that? I specifically added competitive, as in being in a team practicing all week to play other schools teams, not just playing in a gym class in an all girls school.)

And to imply that it's practically the same thing for a girl to not be in perfect conformity with the rules of modesty when in the company of other females, especially when the nature of the activity makes it difficult or cuмbersome, that it's practically the same thing as running around naked in front of men ... that's also insane. (again your nit picking, you are going on and on and on about your trivial idea that girls can wear immodest clothes if there are no men around. That's focusing on a gnat, that has nothing to do with 99.99% of girls competitive sports which is performed in public. By the way, the immodest dress "just among girls" is a bonus for the lesbians which are women too. )

This stuff is just nuts. (what is nuts is this strawman that you created on this thread. This whole posting is one big strawman)

When you get this unreasonable (about what?) and insane (about what?), 90% of the time this comes from an at-least latent misogyny (I had to look up that word ), which in turn usually derives from insecurity of some kind that I need not further elaborate on. (You are totally out of your area of expertise, I would suggest that you just ask questions. )

And, finally, these uniforms in the pictures, are really NOT THAT BAD for what they are . If these girls were to stand up, they probably hit right at or just slightly above the knee. (Again, all it is to you is a matter of inches. You do not understand. But you ask no questions, so you will never understand, to you it will always be a matter of inches of cloth and how men react to it. )

My responses in red

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #91 on:** November 14, 2019, 02:44:13 PM »

Why do I post on this thread? It certainly is not to debate the matter of a few inches of cloth and how it affects men. I could care less how immodesty affects men. Do I post because I have many daughters? Well, I do have many daughters, but none of the errors described below affect my girls, for we have taught them the facts.

So why do I post here?

I post because of the deeper repercussions. I post because I see the SSPX trad young girls and their parents step by step re-living exactly what happened in the 1960’s. I’ve already been through this and I know the results. In the 1960’s everyone went to the Latin Mass and Catholic schools, there was no Novus Ordo. I lived it and saw what happened to young Catholic school girls when they were allowed to imbibed the deadly idea that "showing some legs and not being a prude" is the way to attract boys and to have fun and be popular. We see today the result of that revolution, scarcely a Catholic left. It is now 1960's all over again in every detail for the SSPX trad young girls and parents. I see the trad girls during the week dressing and living pretty much no different than any public school girls. All I hear from the SSPX trad girls (6 and up!) is talk about boys, "who is your crush" or "my crush is"..... The SSPX schools and parents are raising boy crazy airheads, all of their self-esteem and their idea of self-worth coming from the boys they attract. And the parents are just like the parents in the 1960's they see nothing wrong till it is too late and their daughter becomes an unwed mother, or marries or shacks up with a non-Catholic bum and leaves the Church. At least the parents in the 1960’s had an excuse, for they were totally caught by surprise by something alien. The parents today have learned nothing from the past or maybe they could care less.

What disturbs me about those volleyball outfits is not a few inches of cloth, it is that those outfits are just a sign that they are well on the way to slaughter. If those girls and their parents really were Catholic, they would not even think of wearing those clothes or even going through all of the work to play in competitive sports. What bothers me is that those clothes are just the tip of the iceberg, just a sign that they live no different than any public school girl.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #92 on:** November 14, 2019, 03:25:56 PM »

By placing all those caveats and limits on it, I was trying to get at the PRINCIPLES, as I always do. I'm not interested in emotion.

So, in other words,

1) Are sports completely unacceptable for ladies? You said non-competitive sports were OK.

2) Is any competition between ladies OK? Playing board games? Playing competitive chess against other ladies? Girls competing to get the best grades and become valedictorian at an all girls' school?

So, if sports are allowed, and competition is allowed, what is it that makes competitive sports disallowed?

I understand that excessive physicality in a sport is certainly against feminine nature, so for instance, sports like football and hockey, etc. And it's certainly not feminine for girls to play against boys, since this militates against the future attitude of being deferential and submissive to their husbands. And physical competition against boys adds the additional aspect of inappropriate physical contact between the sexes.

But what makes it wrong to practice and then play against another girls' school. Is it the competition? Is it the sport? ... as per questions #1 and #2 above. I mean, it could be a healthy way for girls to explore competing against one another so that it doesn't manifest itself in sinful ways later on, e.g. competing with other girls to catch the eye of a man, even if it means immodesty. Women DO in fact compete with one another for husbands. There's no question about that. But what if they understand how to win graciously and to lose graciously. Having "practiced" losing and winning, perhaps they would not be so afraid of "losing" at something later.

You learn in sports that it's not a satisfying victory to win unless you play by the rules. So, perhaps a girl could learn that it's nothing to brag about winning if you didn't play by the rules ... and won only due to violating the laws of God.

Another thing I find potentially quite valuable in girls' competitive sports. Girls by nature tend to resent their OWN TEAMMATES if they outplay them or are better. This gives them a venue to come to terms with those emotions, and to learn to be happy for the TEAM if their teammates perform well, a lesson that's only learned with great difficulty by girls.

But enough of the potential benefits. I cannot in principle come to the conclusion that competitive sports between girls is inherently unacceptable and harmful ... if they're not particularly aggressive forms of competition.

To my knowledge, except for potential reasons of MODESTY, the Church has never cautioned against women competing athletically against other girls. And all the caveats by Pius XI regarding female sports has to do with whether they take place "in public". That clearly implies that they're OK so long as they're not carried out in public or the girls are dressed modestly. And I added both of these stipulations in my initial response.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #93 on:** November 14, 2019, 03:44:24 PM »

Your theoretical principles are fine, Ladislaus, but they do not apply to the point of this thread. The actual games being played are happening in public arenas, are of a masculine/competitive nature (as are all high school girl sports today), and involve immodest attire relative to those watching and to the type of sport involved.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #94 on:** November 14, 2019, 04:21:20 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on November 14, 2019, 03:44:24 PM

Your theoretical principles are fine, Ladislaus, but they do not apply to the point of this thread. The actual games being played are happening in public arenas, are of a masculine/competitive nature (as are all high school girl sports today), and involve immodest attire relative to those watching and to the type of sport involved.

It appears that the girls were out in public, in this picture, but I do not consider playing in an arena where the scheduled event states that it's a girls' match ... to be public. You have to buy a ticket to get in. And the events are not viewable to someone who hasn't entered the arena of his own accord. Secondly, the degree of immodesty here is something might even be tolerable at Mass. These uniforms are not even close to being gravely immodest. Even if these girls walked out to the grocery store like this, truly in public, I would consider it a venial violation of modesty at the most. But with regard to a sport that is clearly billed as a girls' sporting event, I consider this acceptable. Now, if they were wearing those so-called "spanks" which have their butt cheeks hanging out and leaving little to the imagination, yeah, that would be in appropriate even in the relatively closed venue. But, really? These uniforms are just not that bad. What, because someone can catch a glimpse of knee when they're standing up. Even that is mitigated by the fact that they are wearing knee pads.

Now, the coach in the picture appears to have an inappropriate skirt on ... without any whatsoever reason to do so. Now, THAT is a bad example to the girls on the team for sure. Now, I can see it being a problem if the players' skirts were too long over the knee. If they were to go down on their knees, the skirt could actually get caught between the floor and their knee and they could be injured.

I bet that their competition was very badly dressed, and the fact that they beat them sends a message that you don't need to dress like that to be competitive. I think that the excuse for the immodesty in dress is the competitive advantage to be gained from it ... although for girls it's usually an excuse to practice exhibitionism.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #95 on:** November 14, 2019, 04:30:59 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on November 14, 2019, 04:21:20 PM

It appears that the girls were out in public, in this picture, but I do not consider playing in an arena where the scheduled event states that it's a girls' match ... to be public. You have to buy a ticket to get in. And the events are not viewable to someone who hasn't entered the arena of his own accord.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #96 on:** November 14, 2019, 09:02:56 PM »

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but I do not consider playing in an arena where the scheduled event states that it's a girls' match ... to be public. You have to buy a ticket to get in.

Oh come on. Tickets to this event might be $2 for adults and free for children. These are high school events, put on by the diocese. They could have a few hundred attendees at each match. Very public and very family oriented...which makes the immodesty that much worse. A horrible example these young ladies and the schools are setting for the 7-13 year old girls.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #97 on:** November 15, 2019, 06:27:37 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on November 14, 2019, 04:21:20 PM

It appears that the girls were out in public, in this picture, but I do not consider playing in an arena where the scheduled event states that it's a girls' match ... to be public. You have to buy a ticket to get in. And the events are not viewable to someone who hasn't entered the arena of his own accord. Secondly, the degree of immodesty here is something might even be tolerable at Mass. These uniforms are not even close to being gravely immodest. Even if these girls walked out to the grocery store like this, truly in public, I would consider it a venial violation of modesty at the most. But with regard to a sport that is clearly billed as a girls' sporting event, I consider this acceptable. Now, if they were wearing those so-called "spanks" which have their butt cheeks hanging out and leaving little to the imagination, yeah, that would be in appropriate even in the relatively closed venue. But, really? These uniforms are just not that bad. What, because someone can catch a glimpse of knee when they're standing up. Even that is mitigated by the fact that they are wearing knee pads.

Now, the coach in the picture appears to have an inappropriate skirt on ... without any whatsoever reason to do so. Now, THAT is a bad example to the girls on the team for sure. Now, I can see it being a problem if the players' skirts were too long over the knee. If they were to go down on their knees, the skirt could actually get caught between the floor and their knee and they could be injured.

I bet that their competition was very badly dressed, and the fact that they beat them sends a message that you don't need to dress like that to be competitive. I think that the excuse for the immodesty in dress is the competitive advantage to be gained from it ... although for girls it's usually an excuse to practice exhibitionism.

I learned everything I know from doing it, living it and making mistakes and mostly learning from other peoples mistakes, after all there is only one of me to make mistakes and there are 7 billion others to learn from. That said, my analysis of the above posting and really all of the postings on this thread by the same writer (for the above is finally putting everything together) is what I said all along, that the poster does not understand, that for him it is just a silly matter of inches of cloth and how it affects men.

Now, the deeper analysis is:

When a normally very intelligent, analytical, sincere seeker of truth person, like the poster, does a 180 degree on a subject, writing total babble, one has to wonder what happened, what is going on? The answer is pressure, they have a "gun to their heads" and can't write freely as they do on other subjects. For the writer and all of those like him, I have this advise, and it is the only reason why I posted on this thread (like I said before):

This subject has a direct real impact on ones family, specially ones daughters, direct and real impact! Whether the pope is the pope, that Cardinal X is a sodomite, that Bp. Fellay is kissing up to Bergolio...…. etc. has absolutely no effect on ones family. This does. This is real, and it is in ones face! Do not rationalize this, for it could ruin your daughters entire future.

I see the SSPX trad young girls and their parents step by step re-living exactly what happened in the 1960’s. I’ve already been through this and I know the results. In the 1960’s everyone went to the Latin Mass and Catholic schools, there was no Novus Ordo. I lived it and saw what happened to young Catholic school girls when they were allowed to imbibed the deadly idea that "showing some legs and not being a prude" is the way to attract boys and to have fun and be popular....It is now 1960's all over again in every detail for the SSPX trad young girls and parents.....All I hear from the SSPX trad girls (6 and up!) is talk about boys, "who is your crush" or "my crush is"..... The SSPX schools and parents are raising boy crazy airheads, all of their self-esteem and their idea of self-worth coming from the boys they attract. And the parents are just like the parents in the 1960's they see nothing wrong till it is too late and their daughter becomes an unwed mother, or marries or shacks up with a non-Catholic bum and leaves the Church.

What disturbs me about those volleyball outfits is not a few inches of cloth, it is that those outfits and similar immodest clothes that they wear to mass are just a sign that they are well on the way to slaughter. ….. those clothes are just an indicator that the mothers and daughter have imbibed the deadly idea that "showing some legs and not being a prude" is the way to attract boys and to have fun and be popular.. those clothes are just the tip of the iceberg, just a sign of what is to come. What is to come is daughters going to bars at night "to dance", fornication, pregnancy, abortion or unwed mothers, shot gun weddings to non-Catholic bums, divorce, annulments, 2nd, 3rd 4th marriages (slaughter). I've been there and seen that first hand over and over and over. It is happening right now at SSPX chapels. All because a husband did not have the fortitude to never surrender, the fortitude to use his head. Martyrs for the faith were boiled in oil or cooked on the grill for the faith, today a father is afraid to upset his wife and daughters.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #98 on:** November 15, 2019, 06:48:02 AM »

Everything I wrote applies to priests and the SSPX, so:

Martyrs for the faith were boiled in oil or cooked on the grill for the faith, today fathers and priests are afraid to upset the wives and daughters.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #99 on:** November 15, 2019, 08:52:28 AM »

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Now, if they were wearing those so-called "spanks" which have their butt cheeks hanging out and leaving little to the imagination, yeah, that would be inappropriate even in the relatively closed venue.

Wearing spandex short shorts is "inappropriate"? That's it?! Such attire is borderline pornographic. It's totally, 100% impure, in every regard.

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I bet that their competition was very badly dressed, and the fact that they beat them sends a message that you don't need to dress like that to be competitive.

Yes, their competition was 100% wearing such "spanks" and everyone in attendance was part of the occasion of sin, for taking part in the game where such women are dressed such. You can visit the athletic association's facebook page to confirm, as I did: https://www.facebook.com/CanyonAthleticAssociation/
I saw 1 picture of an opposing team all wearing "spanks" but almost all of the girls (or should I call them "land whales"?) were so overweight that such scandalous "shorts" were vomit-inducing. Thank God for that.
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Can one partake of a sporting event where your competition is impurely and provocatively dressed? I don't see how this is morally acceptable. So, by the very fact you are playing this hooker-dressed team, you are condoning such dress all in the name of sports. What a great example of living the Faith!
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Finally, these events are not held in a "closed venue". All are open to the public, all addresses are posted all over the web, anyone can attend for a nominal fee of $2-5 (children are free).

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #100 on:** November 15, 2019, 08:53:30 AM »

Here is a short 4 minute sermon given by Fr. Wathen on the subject. (CI's Stubborn originally posted it on another thread)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ia84vj5ot24vbab/St.%20Agnes.mp3?dl=0

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #101 on:** November 15, 2019, 08:57:36 AM »

Holy Family Academy
https://holyfamilyacad.org/about/

Here's what their "about us" page says about their school (I did not add the bold...this is part of their website. They highlight this "potential recognition" as some great thing to be happy about and to spread around as "good news"). They also refer to the new code of canon law, do not represent themselves as a catholic school, and their website has no mention of anything religious except to say that the education is "Christ-centered". Wow, this school (and the new-sspx) has completely lost it. They are way further along in the "V2 indoctrination" than the 1960s. They are being fast tracked into the 1970s.
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Holy Family Academy is currently in the process of being recognized as a private, independent Catholic school operating in the Roman Catholic Diocese of Phoenix.
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Therefore, Holy Family Academy does not offer Sacramental preparation for its students who must be initiated into the Sacraments through a parish. Moreover, in full accordance with Canon Law 803.3, Holy Family Academy does not bear the title of “Catholic School”, nor does it represent itself as a “Catholic School”.

Incredulous · « **Reply #102 on:** November 15, 2019, 12:06:44 PM »

Gentlemen,

Please provide us with a photo or sketch of what you believe is suitable attire for a traditional Catholic girl to wear on the public volley ball court.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #103 on:** November 15, 2019, 12:22:31 PM »

Quote from: Incredulous on November 15, 2019, 12:06:44 PM

Gentlemen,
Please provide us with a photo or sketch of what you believe is suitable attire for a traditional Catholic girl to wear on the public volley ball court.

Learning from what Pax Vobis posted, it matters little what they wear, they can't be in a match against girls in panties. (Saying they can convert them by a "good" example, is like Eric Gajewski saying he is picking up prostitutes to convert them.)

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Yes, their competition was 100% wearing such "spanks" and everyone in attendance was part of the occasion of sin, for taking part in the game where such women are dressed such. You can visit the athletic association's facebook page to confirm, as I did: https://www.facebook.com/CanyonAthleticAssociation/
I saw 1 picture of an opposing team all wearing "spanks" but almost all of the girls (or should I call them "land whales"?) were so overweight that such scandalous "shorts" were vomit-inducing. Thank God for that.
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Can one partake of a sporting event where your competition is impurely and provocatively dressed? I don't see how this is morally acceptable. So, by the very fact you are playing this hooker-dressed team, you are condoning such dress all in the name of sports. What a great example of living the Faith!
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Finally, these events are not held in a "closed venue". All are open to the public, all addresses are posted all over the web, anyone can attend for a nominal fee of $2-5 (children are free).

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #104 on:** November 15, 2019, 12:35:39 PM »

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For others, notice that in all women's sports, the women are scantily dressed. Even in women's pro football where you would think they would be covered for protection, they play bare butt. Look at track, bare butt. Volleyball, ice skating. Tennis...… There is a reason for that, it is to attract men to the "sport". Why would anyone go to watch woman's highschool/college/pro sports except they be parents or relatives? It is like going to watch a pro football game between men with their ankles tide together, or other handicap. That is the reason for the bare butt and exposed breasts outfits. It is of course of the devil. Also, because of the aggression in competitive sports it attracts an abnormally high percentage of lesbians to play or watch/stalk. I have a relative who's daughgter played on the highschool volleyball team and I was at his house once when the girls were all there. I smelled something wrong, and over time found that many of them were indeed lesbians, maybe the majority.

No Catholic can attend such events, just like they can't go to a crowded beach full of young girls in their underwear (better known to the brainwashed as bikinis and one piece bathing suits).

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