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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
« Reply #55 on: November 14, 2019, 06:11:40 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on November 14, 2019, 05:59:03 AM
HINT:  can anyone point to anything from the Church which states that spots are "off limits" to girls?

When discussions took place regarding female athletic attire, this entirely presupposes the licitness of their playing sports
It’s implicit in the teaching on modest attire, and in the Catholic conception of femininity.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
« Reply #56 on: November 14, 2019, 06:13:51 AM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on November 14, 2019, 06:03:46 AM
Yes, I can well imagine the BVM wearing these outfits and playing volleyball.

There are many things that Our Lady would not do that are, nevertheless, licit and not sinful ... e.g., getting married and having marital relations.  Moral theologians always distinguish between the evangelical counsels, which are things that are not strictly required for all, but nevertheless represent the striving for a higher state of perfection.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04435a.htm

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This distinction between the precepts of the Gospel, which are binding on all, and the counsels, which are the subject of the vocation of the comparatively few, has ever been maintained by the Catholic Church. It has been denied by heretics in all ages, and especially by many Protestants in the sixteenth and following centuries, on the ground that, inasmuch as all Christians are at all times bound, if they would keep God's Commandments, to do their utmost, and even so will fall short of perfect obedience, no distinction between precepts and counsels can rightly be made.
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The difference between a precept and a counsel lies in this, that the precept is a matter of necessity while the counsel is left to the free choice of the person to whom it is proposed.

Our Lady, of course, freely chose to adopt and to follow, EVERY such counsel for perfection, but that does not mean all are bound, nor are all capable of keeping them, so that, for instance, as St. Paul states, some need to marry rather than to "burn".
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
« Reply #57 on: November 14, 2019, 06:19:25 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on November 14, 2019, 06:09:36 AM
You are making up your own norms, Sean.  Again, please point to a Church teaching which precludes women/girls entirely from athletic endeavours.

As far as modesty, you know, right?, that in the early Church women were baptized by immersion and either nude or close to it.  That was the original role of the so-called (non-ordained) "deaconesses".  They would assist the women being baptized while the bishop would stand behind a screen so as not to see them while he pronounced the form of Baptism.  So, again, given the stipulation I laid out that the girls should not dressed that way in mixed company or out in public, the perfect modesty required when in the presence of the opposite sex does not always apply.

If the girls were to, say, play volleyball at an all-girls' school in the gym, in an intramural (not-particularly-competitive) manner, I don't see anything wrong with that.

Yes, yes, I’m making stuff up.  Everyone knows the Church has no problem with high cut revealing attire on women, manly attire on women, makeup, or whatever else feminist liberal Americans want to push through on the pretext it hasn’t been infallibly condemned.

Why, if the BVM were alive today, she would wear pants, play field hockey, and slap on some makeup before heading out for girls night to impress the other girls.

BS!

For someone so severe in other areas, your liberal-laxist-feminist views in this area are rather surprising.
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
« Reply #58 on: November 14, 2019, 06:22:38 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on November 14, 2019, 06:13:51 AM
There are many things that Our Lady would not do that are, nevertheless, licit and not sinful ... e.g., getting married and having marital relations.  Moral theologians always distinguish between the evangelical counsels, which are things that are not strictly required for all, but nevertheless represent the striving for a higher state of perfection.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04435a.htm

Our Lady, of course, freely chose to adopt and to follow, EVERY such counsel for perfection, but that does not mean all are bound, nor are all capable of keeping them, so that, for instance, as St. Paul states, some need to marry rather than to "burn".

Thank you for honest liberal and uncatholic viewpoint that the imitation of the BVM is not The reference point for Catholic norms of modesty and femininity.

This is the cause of all your subsequent laziest-feminist errors.
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Offline HOOLIGAN4HIRE

Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
« Reply #59 on: November 14, 2019, 07:57:44 AM »
The HFA girls volleyball team DOES NOT play their games in a "closed gym setting"... they play all over the Valley, weeknights & Saturdays, and in front of all types of crowds (Catholic, Protestant, secular).  On November 2nd the volleyball Finals were at the Arizona State University basketball arena.  As for the defense that we live in "the hottest State in the country", the gyms are air conditioned and the high temps this time of year are in the low 80 degree range.  
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