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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
« Reply #250 on: November 17, 2019, 07:00:55 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on November 17, 2019, 02:07:23 PM
My biggest problem is with the haughty, self-righteous, Pharisaical attitude of standing in judgment over everyone ... whether or not you have all the facts or can present a rational argument.  You refuse to entertain distinctions or degrees of sin or proportionate reasons.  You pretend that moral theology is binary, or at least act like it, that either something is a mortal sin or it's perfect, that there's nothing in between.  You paint moral theology as black-and-white, whereas in actuality it admits of much gray, with prudential considerations being weighed in.  Most of all, you refuse to give anyone of the benefit of the doubt, but immediately stand on your soapbox to denounce these girls as whores ... simply because you can catch a glimpse of knee from their uniforms.

Trust me, God is much more offended by arrogant judgmental self-righteous Pharisaism than by a glimpse of female knee.
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To whomever it may apply.  I'm not so much put off by WHAT is being said as by HOW it's being said ... by some folks.  There's an undertone of "these dirty whores" in some of the posts on this thread.

If it is not addressed to anyone and has no quotes that prove the accusations you are making, then it is just an irrational emotional outburst and a strawman. I have not seen anyone here call those girls whores. I have not seen any "haughty, self-righteous, Pharisaical attitude of standing in judgment over everyone". The outburst is what is totally out of proportion. If it is addressed to someone then it is a detraction, a mortal sin. You and SJ are constantly detracting against each other like little children, one of you needs to grow up and rise above it. 
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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
« Reply #251 on: November 17, 2019, 07:05:40 PM »
Quote from: forlorn on November 17, 2019, 05:36:34 PM
I went back to that thread and checked. He even refers to them wearing knee-pads in the comment. In your pic there are no knee-pads.
He refers to the coach being dressed inappropriately, the coach dressed inappropriately is the woman at the right end of the first picture, the discussion started with the first picture.   
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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
« Reply #252 on: November 17, 2019, 07:11:54 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on November 17, 2019, 05:48:55 PM
Is this immodest?  My opinion is that it is not.


By your own analysis, there is no reason for the skirt to be so short, she is not playing any sport that requires a short dress.

By my analysis, there is not much to see in the picture, it is not clear. The skirt could be tight and thin and she is wearing a G-string that is clearly marked. Maybe the stocking only go up a little past the skirt and when she sits you can see the upper thighs, like French maid outfits.
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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
« Reply #253 on: November 17, 2019, 07:28:13 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on November 17, 2019, 05:34:51 PM
On both counts.  They are above the knee (and shabby).  To say that they are venially immodest is not to say that they are OK.  People confuse venial sin with no sin.  It's still a sin and it offends God, and it's compounded by doing the sin at Mass.
You are doing the same thing as the Cushinites who "say" they don't believe in salvation of Muslims, Jews, etc., but they spend days teaching people that people can be saved somehow outside of the Church. You spent all this time defending what those girls are wearing while now saying that "to say that they are venially immodest is not to say that they are OK.  People confuse venial sin with no sin.  It's still a sin and it offends God, and it's compounded by doing the sin at Mass". Anyone that reads this thread will conclude that you approve of those uniforms and that you would be OK with your daughters and anyone's daughters wearing the same outfits to mass or the store. Your nitpicking about mortal sin vs venial during all of this thread was totally off the subject.  You should have said from the beginning:

I do not approve of the outfits,  "They are above the knee (and shabby).  They are venially immodest. To say that they are venially immodest is not to say that they are OK.  People confuse venial sin with no sin.  It's still a sin and it offends God, and it's compounded by doing the sin at Mass".

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Offline Seraphina

Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
« Reply #254 on: November 17, 2019, 07:32:21 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on November 17, 2019, 05:48:55 PM
Is this immodest?  My opinion is that it is not.


Well, I wouldn't wear it.  I wouldn't allow my daughters, if I had any, to wear it.  It looks like black leggings with a black mini-skirt.  It's much too form-fitting.  Why not leggings beneath looser and longer (below knee) culottes?  
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