Author Topic: HERESY in Kansas City parish (Read 15046 times)

Telesphorus · « **Reply #15 on:** September 02, 2012, 07:09:54 PM »

Quote from: sspxbvm

CLARIFICATION

From our good Father Pfeiffer. He just spoke to us and said it use to be the custom in the old Baltimore Catechism that you would have to get permission from the bishop if you were not going to have your children in a Catholic School. He said the rest of the material was wrong to say.

In our crisis why would we subject ourselves to those Bishops anyway? Hence none of it should apply!

God speed!

You never have to put your children into an environment where there is a high risk of them being corrupted. The way most children of trads are these days, schools can't be trusted.

songbird · « **Reply #16 on:** September 02, 2012, 07:12:21 PM »

So, you are saying, that you are in a Pius X chapel and this priest refers you to a local New Order bishop? Is that correct? Sounds bazarre. But if that is the case, then he is New Order. We do have some Pius the X that are of the New Order and not ordained in Pius X. Infiltraitors? Once Pius X is turned over everything is turned over to New Order, schools, churches and property, I do understand. It sounds like to me, you will have to find traditional else where. I home schooled our 3 children and it was that, that brought us to the traditional side.

sspxbvm · « **Reply #17 on:** September 02, 2012, 07:20:34 PM »

ANOTHER CLARIFICATION: Father Pfeiffer also told us that it would be a sacrilege to touch somebody with the thumb during communion. Certain fingers would be okay but not proper.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #18 on:** September 02, 2012, 08:40:39 PM »

I agree with Matthew.

The SSPX has actually been pushing for a while now the idea that attending one of their schools is mandatory if you have access to one. I think its nonsense.

Sede Catholic · « **Reply #19 on:** September 02, 2012, 08:50:57 PM »

It has no basis in Catholic tradition.

Mandatory schooling is a secular concept from the last two hundred years.

I do not think that Rome ever said that sending children to school was obligatory.

AveMarisStella · « **Reply #20 on:** September 02, 2012, 09:10:02 PM »

Show me an official Church docuмent (before V2) stating Catholics cannot home school -- whether the parents do the actual teaching OR they hire a tutor to do the same. Show me these docuмents that demand Catholics can ONLY send their children to Catholic "brick and mortar" schools. SHOW ME.

Yes, we get a lot of that at our parish. Heavy push to send our children to the schools.

Agree -- substandard teachers (many of them relatives of SSPX priests) and assorted laypersons with no or little background in EDUCATION -- yet they tell us we parents are not qualified to teach our children. But these characters are. Most of them are teaching there because they've been there forever.

Facilities are limited, crowded, not up to code. Priests with NO experience right out of the seminary run the schools.

Don't get me started on the other children. The filth from their mouths is unbelievable. THESE ARE SO CALLED TRADITIONAL CATHOLICS. Dream on.

Catholics schools in the "old days" worked because the Faith was intact, the teaching sisters/brothers did not not require schools to charge unreasonable tuition, etc.

Sorry SSPX, some of us just simply CAN'T AFFORD IT. What part of that do they not understand? They actually tell us we should go into debt to pay to send our children to their schools. We have actually heard that! And then when you get over your head, they send you legal forms to promise to pay back or they will take you to court. UNBELIEVABLE.

Sigismund · « **Reply #21 on:** September 02, 2012, 09:19:54 PM »

Quote from: Faber

Quote from: sspxbvm
Further he said that if we don't want to put our children in a Catholic school we are to get the permission of the local bishop.

Does "local bishop" refer to the NO-Bishop of the local diocese?

It would have to, since none of the SSPX bishops have jurisdiction. They are not in any sense local bishops.

It seems to me that the SSPX is making itself over in the image of a cult more and more every day.

sspxbvm · « **Reply #22 on:** September 02, 2012, 10:29:12 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

Quote from: Faber
Quote from: sspxbvm
Further he said that if we don't want to put our children in a Catholic school we are to get the permission of the local bishop.

Does "local bishop" refer to the NO-Bishop of the local diocese?

It would have to, since none of the SSPX bishops have jurisdiction. They are not in any sense local bishops.

It seems to me that the SSPX is making itself over in the image of a cult more and more every day.

It's certainly not what it once was!! Slipping fast.

clarkaim · « **Reply #23 on:** September 02, 2012, 10:37:58 PM »

I go to St. V's, have for over 20 years. I agree with every thing said above, re: forcing us to support the local school. I don't, won't , can't and will not try. Love my kids too much to send them to one of the highest crime ridden 'hoods' in the USA. This is all about money and control. I will give them much less of the former and none of the latter.

Behold the buck of the priest, mystically transubstantiated from mine into his.

btw, Father D. uses his free fingers to bless my kids, not his thumb. He is French tho, and that is very bad enough. When I speak to him again, I will reject his offer for fromage in a German accent and hope he doesn't dive under a chair. He is a good priest most of the time tho.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #24 on:** September 02, 2012, 10:39:40 PM »

Quote from: sspxbvm

We heard heresy today.

Maybe you could write a respectful letter to the priest, for the sake of his soul. If there is danger of being kicked out or some sort of retribution, maybe respectfully explain why you are not giving your name.

That's the Catholic method I was taught-and then if they remain obstinate you go to the bishop, and then you go public.

sspxbvm · « **Reply #25 on:** September 02, 2012, 10:46:54 PM »

Quote from: Elizabeth

Quote from: sspxbvm
We heard heresy today.

Maybe you could write a respectful letter to the priest, for the sake of his soul. If there is danger of being kicked out or some sort of retribution, maybe respectfully explain why you are not giving your name.

That's the Catholic method I was taught-and then if they remain obstinate you go to the bishop, and then you go public.

Excellent advice. If we were not in a terrible crisis. At present it is important to expose errors. However, we will write him when we are able (must write all 3 bishops first and ask them to save tradition.)Thanks.

Clelia · « **Reply #26 on:** September 03, 2012, 05:34:45 PM »

Parents are given special graces at Marriage to teach their children. I wish I knew then what I know now.

Both CS & PS proved to provide State Curriculum. My children were in both. I taught in both.
I finally home schooled after the early years, and saw a great improvement in all areas: behavior, scholastic achievement, and the most important of all: THE FAITH. I chose our curriculum, courses, and books, and had control over what to choose that included Catholic Teaching, which I did my best to imbue in all subjects, if it did not already present itself. No school is perfect; but it really made a tremendous difference in my house. I wish I'd been wise to it sooner.

I was told that in spiritual direction once, by an SSPX priest, who said I should send them to one of their schools because home schooling was not good. REALLY! I am no Mensa Graduate, but the home factor is more personal, and we are able to spend the extra time with our children that NO school can provide. Not to mention other things like cooking, baking, sewing, gardening, carpentry, etc., that they learned at home.

I did not like that many of the teachers were actually graduates of the SSPX High Schools only, and were teaching right out of the box, some being only 18.
No thanks.

Tomas de Torquemada · « **Reply #27 on:** September 03, 2012, 05:57:12 PM »

Quote from: sspxbvm

We heard heresy today.

What was the heresy?

Since it was public I don't think it was meant to be kept a secret. The priest told the people that if you don't support a Catholic School by either putting your children in one or giving them money the Church tells us that the priest is NOT to give absolution in confession. Further he said that if we don't want to put our children in a Catholic school we are to get the permission of the local bishop. He says this is Church teaching. He told us we are to do God's will in this matter not use our emotions. He also used the words "youth movement" in the Church. I havent heard that since I was a "Nervous Order" parishoner 20 years ago.

There was a sacrilege also. During communion the priest instead of blessing our children with the sign of the cross in the open air TOUCHED OUR CHILDREN ON THE FORHEAD with his hand that distributes HOLY COMMUNION. Fine example of not using our emotions, yes? Just have to touch them? This is a first EVER in a Society chapel.

This Mass was at Saint Vincent de Paul in Kansas City, MO. Father Violette (spelling?) gave the typical "trust US" talk just before this priest gave his 45-60 minute sermon! Father Violette said the DEVIL IS LEADING THE OPPOSITION TO BISHOP FELLAY. "Come to us" he says.

These are OUTRAGES. Almost every sermon we hear now a days have some form of error. I am close, friends. Very close to walking out and/or shouting in the open: "HERESY!"

Still waiting for the heretical part...

I spoke with the priest in question yesterday. While I certainly disagree with his position on this particular issue (we homeschool), there is nothing heretical about it.

It seems to me that you have a very active imagination in your reporting of recent events.

poche · « **Reply #28 on:** September 05, 2012, 04:50:46 AM »

The first council of Baltimore instructed priests not to refuse absolution to penitents who had failed to pay their dues to the parish.

St Gertrude · « **Reply #29 on:** September 05, 2012, 09:18:37 AM »

I just want to relate an incident with a cell phone that happened here in the Western United States recently at a public school. A young man took photos of his girlfriend naked (they were both 16) with his BlackBerry. The boy and girl subsequently had a fight and the boy then forwarded the dirty photos to everybody on his calling list. Somehow or other, the principal of the school learned about it and called the police and the boy was charged with several felonies, made much more serious because he and the girl were both minors. Many legal battles and much heartache later, the young man had to plead guilty to three felonies and he will have to register as a sex offender for the next 23 years! I do not have children, but if I did and there was not an SSPX school nearby, I would homeschool them. You would not believe the things that go on in US schools. A friend of mine took his kids out of public school and homeschooled them because the health class teacher was teaching the kids how to use condoms--"just in case they had the need," as she said--and these kids were 12 years old. Our schools are very wicked. It is heartbreaking.