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Offline Ambrose

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« Reply #45 on: October 24, 2012, 01:26:05 PM »
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    It has no basis in Catholic tradition.

    Mandatory schooling is a secular concept from the last two hundred years.

    I do not think that Rome ever said that sending children to school was obligatory.



    I wonder why the public schools were spoken out against but not compulsory attendance laws.



    Good point!  In America anyway, the idea of mandatory public schools financed by taxpayers against their will, whether or not they have kids, should be repugnant.

    To make matters worse, all these tax dollars are paying for a very bad product, generally speaking poorly educated and immoral children.

    It is sinful to put Catholic children in public school without approval from the bishop.  In our times, that would involve the use epikeia.  Would a true Catholic bishop allow your children to go into these cesspools?

    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic

    Offline Miseremini

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    « Reply #46 on: October 24, 2012, 01:32:54 PM »
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    Regarding the priest blessing the children at the altar rail:  all the more reason why anyone not receiving Communion shouldn't be there.  It wasn't done before the NO.  Father turns around & blesses us twice during Mass.  That's not enough?


     IT'S A COMMUNION RAIL NOT A BLESSING RAIL ! It is teaching the children (and the children in the pews) to approach the rail without preparation.
    The priest should know better if the parent doesn't.  What happens when it becomes the norm, and a visiting priest mistakenly gives communion to a 6 year old who looks 8?  
    Just another NO novelty creeping into the SSPX.
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    « Reply #47 on: October 24, 2012, 02:41:25 PM »
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  • SSPXBVM said:

    The priest told the people that if you don't support a Catholic School by either putting your children in one or giving them money the Church tells us that the priest is NOT to give absolution in confession. Further he said that if we don't want to put our children in a Catholic school we are to get the permission of the local bishop. He says this is Church teaching.
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    I've never heard of this?

    So, would this mean a man dying on the street, if he isn't an SSPX financial supporter, doesn't get a final absolution?

    If the priest was "liberal" and decided to offer him final Sacraments, would the man first have to agree to support the SSPX if he recovered ?  

    The SSPX priories have been telling the faithful they will not give last rites to non SSPX chapel faithful.   This was stated by a US based SSPX French priest just four months ago, to my associate, who's friend was dying in the hospital.

    Under the wise guidance of Msgr. Fellay, our once faithful, little SSPX has grown-up to be a mean teenager... no longer interested in saving souls, but in making his way with the world.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #48 on: October 24, 2012, 02:47:12 PM »
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  • nasty, nasty people all around in the organization now.  And unfortunately, like attracts like.  The unscrupulous chapel-goers ally with unscrupulous priests.

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    « Reply #49 on: October 24, 2012, 02:52:09 PM »
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  • re: communion rails... children approaching, with parents, but not recieving, simply cover their mouths with the tips of their fingers...... at least that what i thought.


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    « Reply #50 on: October 24, 2012, 02:54:24 PM »
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    SSPXBVM said:

    The priest told the people that if you don't support a Catholic School by either putting your children in one or giving them money the Church tells us that the priest is NOT to give absolution in confession. Further he said that if we don't want to put our children in a Catholic school we are to get the permission of the local bishop. He says this is Church teaching.
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    I've never heard of this?

    So, would this mean a man dying on the street, if he isn't an SSPX financial supporter, doesn't get a final absolution?

    If the priest was "liberal" and decided to offer him final Sacraments, would the man first have to agree to support the SSPX if he recovered ?  

    The SSPX priories have been telling the faithful they will not give last rites to non SSPX chapel faithful.   This was stated by a US based SSPX French priest just four months ago, to my associate, who's friend was dying in the hospital.

    Under the wise guidance of Msgr. Fellay, our once faithful, little SSPX has grown-up to be a mean teenager... no longer interested in saving souls, but in making his way with the world.


    There is something like this but I think it's about not putting your kids in public school and getting permission to put them in public school. I'm hesitant to start interpreting encyclicals  :laugh1: but I think it was about using a public school instead of a Catholic school.

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    « Reply #51 on: October 24, 2012, 06:41:23 PM »
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  • Trento,

    Good on you.

    "...SSPXbvm: do you actually have a recording or official transcript of what Fr. Pierre Duverger said during his sermon?...."

    Yes, how can a bunch of Middle Class Catholics not afford a $50 recorder to record each Mass and post it on the Internet, YOUTUBE in example?

    Not to convict Priests, but to edify souls.

    Destitute Negroes  from my old neighborhood evangelize better than you cushy trads do.

    Get busy everybody, or you will find yourself worshiping nothing, ala the Jews.

    The Worship of nothing will have you forever complaining, and doing some awfully stupid things.


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    « Reply #52 on: October 24, 2012, 07:35:38 PM »
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    Further he said that if we don't want to put our children in a Catholic school we are to get the permission of the local bishop.

    Does "local bishop" refer to the NO-Bishop of the local diocese?


    YES!



    I told you that these deals with Rome was made along time ago and that these discussions were really plans to go on with next phase...

    they got rid of Bishop Williamson
    next the send in  the lukewarm to continue with brainwashing and dirtywork.

    The local liberal bishops are the main problems with Vatican II.
    May God bless you and keep you


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    « Reply #53 on: October 24, 2012, 08:06:07 PM »
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  • I hope everything remains good and holy at St. Judes in Eddystone, Pennsylvania.    :incense:    


     

    Reminder: the biggest problem with the novus ordo is the vatican II bishops and cardinals..     :fryingpan:
    May God bless you and keep you

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    « Reply #54 on: October 24, 2012, 08:35:51 PM »
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  •    The  sheeple priests that are left standing in the Sacristies know that the slightest erroneous move they make( eg: contradicting Menzingen) will spell curtains for them. That's why the thugs lop off the heads-- to bring about intimidation and fear. That's why Bp Tissier was sent to Chicago; that's why Bp deGalaretta was sent to French-speaking Europe. No More Leaks !!

       Regarding the schools-- almost every SSPX school began as a home school, or some derivation thereof. The priests all knew they had to get the parents slowly , and then build the schools. Parents ARE blessed by Almighty God to educate their own children-- then they can instill the values that they received from their own parents, and drill their own faith deep into the child. There is no school on earth better than the home school-- none. A dedicated, prayerful Mother ( and Father)  teaching the child God gave them is the way God designed it. The Catholic school offers economies of scale. Every Mom cannot be expert at, say,  biology or algebra. So, they band together. The Our Lady of Victory program  was always a challenging, teachable, home-school program.
      When the SSPX kept to its promise of opposing Vatican II errors and heresies, it was quite worth the effort to support them. But now, the SSPX teaches that parents commit mortal sin by going to the Traditional Latin Mass of , say, Fathers Pfeiffer or Chazal. These were the same priests that, yesterday, the SSPX sent to our very parishes!! Now, SSPX priests are teaching the children that their own parents are committing mortal sin by following their consciences!
       Now, the SSPX teaches that we can accept 95 % of the Vatican Council II-- that the Novus Ordo  could be okay-- that religious liberty, to a small degree , may be accepted-- that the "mission" of the SSPX priests comes from the local Ordinary( Novus Ordo Bishop)--All of these teachings are 180 degrees opposed to Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre-- they are 180 degrees opposed to Traditional Catholic theology-- they are opposite of what the SSPX has fought for 40 years!.
      So --can you send you child to an SSPX school today? In most cases, no. There are still a few SSPX priests who have not swallowed all the kool-aid of Menzingen's new religion-- and they are still faithful to their ordination vows. But be careful-- the SSPX is actively recruiting Novus Ordo presbyters to come in and teach, to "say" the Mass, to preach retreats. The more presbyters, who are not Catholic priests, that come in, the easier it will be for Fellay and Co to expel the remaining faithful "Lefebvrists".
         Remember, there are  no Diocesan Bishops anywhere in the United States--none. They have all left the Catholic Church. Just as Archbishop Lefebvre stated, quite clearly, that " Rome has lost the faith-- they have left the Church", the Bishops gave up their faith. Right now, there is no Bishop Ordinary Jurisdiction.It is a well-established law of the Church that when you deny one truth of the faith, you lose your faith-- you cease being a Catholic. This is a law for the protection of our faith-- so we are not led astray!. A non-Catholic cannot head any Diocese--period.  There is no Bishop that can give approval for an excommunication, nor is there a Bishop that can annul remit one. The Sees are all empty.  Go take a look at that laughing stock in New York Archdiocese. And here, my friends, is the very essence of the problem:
       Bishop Fellay and his cronies see that there is such a dearth of capability in any of the so-called Bishops and priests of the establishment church. So, their plan is  to sneak in the back door, kiss up to ratzinger, Mueller, deNoia, and all the liberal, modernist so-called  Bishops, get their little band of obedient priests somehow into the body of the church, then work to take it over. But here's the rub: to do so, they have to wipe away all the memory of the Archbishop and everything he stood for. They have to get you to forget what tradition is, and they have to get you to believe that tradition is only what they say it is. It's a masterful plan.
       But it will not work. For two reasons: Firstly,  Ratzinger, Mueller, deNoia hate the Archbishop. Ratzinger, remember,  battled him at the Council. Mueller and deNoia was nurse-fed on ʝʊdɛօ/masonic modernism. They, therefore, hate everything from the Archbishop; they hate everything from Pope St Pius X; they hate everything from Pope St Pius V. They have Fellay's number--they are the masters at deception and subterfuge--and they did him in.("The Pope tricked me-- Boo Hoo!"). Secondly: As a man says, so he soon believes . As fellay gets more and more of the SSPX priests to swallow this modernist junk, they start believing it-- just as he now believes it. Listen to his " Adelaide " sermon, here, where he details how the "holy, Catholic" Church has to be "bloodied, beaten, scandal-scarred and perverted" in order to again rise . His entire thesis is the perversions and heresies of the churchmen for the last 40 years is really necessary for the catholic Church! This is how one gets when you have to swallow these lies.
     Now --he's desperate. Now-- he's got to pull off a union before this Ratzinger dies-- because Mueller will just send him back to excommunication land again!www.sossaveoursspx.com[i][/i]null

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    « Reply #55 on: October 24, 2012, 09:25:48 PM »
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  • "...Pablo, rash judgement again. And your response will probably be uncharitable again. You hurt yourself with these posts you make. So you'll probably tell us we are doing nothing, etc, etc, etc when you have no clue who we are or what we've done. Incredible. Watching your posts we wonder if you are not a double agent in this fight. We certainly don't trust you, sorry to say and would advise other people to be wary. You act as if what ever you have done is satisfactory. Oh. Wait. It is! In your eyes! Thats all that matters, yes? ..."

    Get moving and start working in the fight.

    There are too few Catholics working to extend the kingdom of Christ.

    Those Catholics that know of me are not offended by my posts, some are pleased the cushy Catholics get a boot to the behind every now and then.

    My favorite sermon is one given by Father Cyprian, the Father Prior of Our Lady of Guadalupe Monastery.

    It was at Saint Isidore the Farmer Church in Denver, Colorado.

    He apologized that the kneelers of the pews his Monks handmade for the Trads were not comfortable enough.

    Many Trads complained bitterly that their comfort was disturbed, even in the least.

    He promised to come back and install cashmere kneelers for them...

    They were pleased to hear it.

    Do you require cashmere words to soothe you?

    Look elsewhere.

    You won't get them from me.

    Maybe you can ask father Cyprian for some.

    We are in deep trouble, and Soldiers are needed, not creampuffs.

    Man up.


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    « Reply #56 on: October 24, 2012, 09:42:51 PM »
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    « Reply #57 on: October 24, 2012, 09:55:04 PM »
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  • Hugeman said:

     But now, the SSPX teaches that parents commit mortal sin by going to the Traditional Latin Mass of , say, Fathers Pfeiffer or Chazal. These were the same priests that, yesterday, the SSPX sent to our very parishes!! Now, SSPX priests are teaching the children that their own parents are committing mortal sin by following their consciences!
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    The NeoSSPX Confessional:

    Enter: SSPX penitent

      Bless me Father for I have sinned.

      Its been seven days since my last confession.

      I was mean to my wife twice, I gossiped 5 times, I engaged in some impure thoughts 3 times and I went on SOSSAVEOURSSPX.com 27 times.


    Father:   What did you do at SOSSAVEOURSSPX.com ?

     Penitent: Oh, I saw the story about Bp. Williamson's expulsion and read Fr. Phlugers PR piece about back to square one and tried to understand some analysis of Bishop Fellay's comments on newRome and the Council.

    Father:  Do you like Fr. Phulger's writing style ?

    Penitent:  Uh... not really.

    Father: Good... neither do I.
     
    Okay, now make an effort to be nicer to your wife and be sure to pray the Rosary with your family every night.

    Penitent:  Okay Father, I'll take her to dinner tonight.

    Uh, how about the mortal sin part of going on the website... what's the reference of this sin to the 10 Commandments ?

    Father: Uh.. well... we're still checking with the theologians in Econe on this. I'll try to let you know what they say next week.

    Now, for your penance, say 5 Our fathers and 5 Hail Mary's....  and before I give you abosulution, do your children attend or are you contributing to the SSPX school ?

    Penitent: Yes Father

    Father:  How much?...or how many children?

    You see... the District Superior is having a contest and the winner gets to go to Econe for a week.

    Penitent: 5 children Father.

    Father: Okay, good.  Let me write that down.

    (Gives absolution, while the "Act of Confession" is being prayed)

    Go my son and pray for me.

    Penitent: I will Father...




    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #58 on: October 24, 2012, 09:56:28 PM »
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  • Tell me... how is going on SOSSAVEOURSSPX a mortal sin?




    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #59 on: October 25, 2012, 12:38:12 AM »
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    ...while the "Act of Confession" is being prayed


    I'm unfamiliar with that one.  :scratchchin: