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Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
« Reply #30 on: December 13, 2022, 07:59:21 AM »
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  • Looks like that came out originally on 11/22, which were definitely has last public words.

    If they whack him, I become sedevacantist the same day.
    Why would that make you a sedevacantist?

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    « Reply #31 on: December 13, 2022, 10:59:21 AM »
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  • I think Art Bell had a Lutheran background. "Coast to Coast AM" seemed to me to be generalized Bermuda Triangle, Big Foot, UFO's, and Loch Ness Monster ghost town goofy, et cetera. They did have Malachi Martin on, and Ariel Sharon did feel confident anyway that the USA is run by the Jєωs.

    If they had had "Maurice Pinay" for a guest, that would've been good.


    We had this debate on this forum at the time Art Bell died.

    I think there is strong evidence he was a crypto Jєω.

    Just look at his physiognomy, listen to his nasal voice and his then his background, accused of molesting his own son.

    But that's are only part of it.  Bell's real judaic mission was to spew theological heresies to the secular world.  Which he did quite effectively.
    That is his legacy.

    Concerning Bell's Malachi Martin interviews, they may be to most damaging to Martin's credibility.  For example, when questioned by Bell about his intentions, Martin responded that he functioned similar to "Maimonides" (the тαℓмυdic father) to his people.  This was a major red flag warning us about him.

    Martin's background is rife with ghost writing for the jews.

    He has been accused of being a crypto-Jєω infiltrator agent and there is much archive evidence on this forum evidence to support this argument.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
    « Reply #32 on: December 13, 2022, 11:23:42 AM »
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  • So the narratives of Johnson, +Williamson, and +Vigano are set-ups, huh? Set up by whom, exactly?


    Lady Meg,

    It comes down to what you believe.

    1. Do you believe in Novus ordo mass Eucharistic miracles?

    2. Do you believe de-sacralized Novus ordo missae consecrations made by improperly ordained priests confect valid Holy Eucharists?

    3. Do you think the KGB jєω-boy, Putin from a country continuously controlled by the jews since 1917, is really fighting the NWO or is part of the NWO?

    4. Do you think it is probable for Novus ordo Archbishops to have trad-conversions, go into hiding and still be unable to write down the word "Jєω"?
        Or to utter words of truth against their former masters, the Opus Dei?

    :popcorn:






    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
    « Reply #33 on: December 14, 2022, 07:40:48 AM »
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  • Waiting for an answer from Sean Johnson, as requested above.

    "Let us test Mr Johnson's integrity and ask him to verifiably communicate the below vital understanding to +Williamson and through his network, to Vigano and respond reasonably himself to the proof (which is far from exhaustive)."

    The Church is being deceived that Jєωιѕн controlled and still communist Russia, is a potential 'liberator' in WW3, from the Jєωιѕн created enemy of the 'Globalists'. Surely Mr Johnson would be keen to communicate this vital knowledge, especially to prelates, so they can warn the Church and flock.

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    Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
    « Reply #34 on: December 14, 2022, 08:05:07 AM »
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  • Waiting for an answer from Sean Johnson, as requested above.

    "Let us test Mr Johnson's integrity and ask him to verifiably communicate the below vital understanding to +Williamson and through his network, to Vigano and respond reasonably himself to the proof (which is far from exhaustive)."
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    Sean never claimed to have any way of passing a message to Vigano. Why do you think he does? :confused:


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    « Reply #35 on: December 14, 2022, 09:34:27 AM »
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  • Let us test Mr Johnson's integrity and ask him to verifiably communicate the below vital understanding to +Williamson and through his network, to Vigano and respond reasonably himself to the proof (which is far from exhaustive).

    Here is some proof that Putin is a CHABAD crypto-Jєω and Russia is controlled by Jєωs.

    Ex-Mossad Rabbi Rothkoff:

    "CHABAD OWNS RUSSIA. PUTIN is a CHABADNIK."

    10m 39s - 10m 59s

    https://torahcafe.com/rabbi-aaron-rakeffet-rothkoff/my-life-as-a-mossad-agent-in-russia-video_1aef4dc32.html

    Former secretary of 7th Rebbe of CHABAD -  Menachem Schneerson.

    'Putin spoke about Chabad as if he were an emissary.'

    https://www.israelhayom.com/2019/07/12/putin-spoke-about-chabad-as-if-he-were-an-emissary/

    Putin prays for re-building of 3rd Jєωιѕн temple (to be completed by the Jєωιѕн messiah-moshiach (antichrist);

    https://collive.com/putins-chat-at-the-kotel/

    CHABAD OF UTAH refer to Berel Lazar, as 'Putin's Rabbi'.

    https://bit.ly/3PmIC74

    Russian Political Scientist Andrei Piontkovsky, warns Putin is a Jєωιѕн тαℓмυdist intertwined with CHABAD, whose goal is to advance the coming of the Jєωιѕн Messiah.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20200216121343/http://novievesti.ru/moda/andrew-piontkovsky-political-scientist-recent-andrei-piontkovsky-defeat-of-putin/

    Ex Russian Deputy Prime Minister Mikhael POLTORANIN: RUSSIA IS GOVERNED BY B'NAI B'RITH.

    "The Medvedev-Putin tandem is under B'nai-Brith & fulfils its will."

    paragraph 33

    https://luchmir.com/Politika2010/STOPPutinDec10.htm


    And some proof that Russia is not Christian (as Vigano falsely claims.) and both Putin and Russia are still communist.

    (Crypto-Jєω & communist) Putin banned evangelisation in 2016.

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/thousands-fast-after-putin-signs-law-banning-evangelism-outside-of-churches

    Russian Orthodox writer Vladimir Moss, 2015:

    These statistics show that Russia, far from leading the world in the practice of Christian virtue, is perhaps the most corrupt country of all. As regards general criminality, theft, corruption and murder (including abortion), Russia is very near the top of the league, and this not least because the government itself has taken the lead in these activities, making Russia into a mafia state run by and for a small clique of fantastically rich criminals. Thus the general picture is one of extreme moral degradation.

    24th paragraph

    http://orthodoxchristianbooks.com/articles/650/from-lenin-putin-continuity-soviet-power/

    Russian Political Scientist Andrei Piontkovsky:

    “Nationalism is the religion of Russians, who are mostly atheists.”

    https://web.archive.org/web/20200216121343/http://novievesti.ru/moda/andrew-piontkovsky-political-scientist-recent-andrei-piontkovsky-defeat-of-putin/

    Pew Research 2017: “Just 6% of Russian Orthodox Christians attend church weekly.”

    https://www.pewforum.org/2017/11/08/orthodox-christianity-in-the-21st-century/

    Russia’s abortion rate is nearly twice that of the US

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/abortion-rates-by-country

    “WHO data indicated there were more occult/faith healers (800,000) in Russia than professional doctors (640,000).

    https://newhumanist.org.uk/articles/4862/black-magic-on-red-square

    Russian Interior Ministry 2008: “Satanism greater threat to national security than Islamic radicalism.”

    https://archive.vn/5RBns#selection-579.122-579.261

    Putin supports both abortion and gαy rights.

    https://www.iwmf.org/reporting/putin-the-pro-choice-champion/

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/vladimir-putin-i-know-some-people-who-are-gαy-we-re-on-friendly-terms-9070363.html

    Putin encourages Communist Revolution in the West.

    "Back in the 1930s, Communist International leaders wrote that both black and white workers had a common enemy – imperialism and capitalism. They also wrote that these people could become the most effective group in the future revolutionary battle. So, this is something that can be seen, to a degree, as common values, if not a unifying agent for us. I am not afraid to say so. This is true,"

    paragraph 1

    https://www.memri.org/reports/russian-president-putin-countering-imperialism-and-capitalism-can-provide-unifying-agent

    Putin 2018: "Lenin's body as Christian relic."

    https://rt.com/news/415883-putin-communist-ideology-christianity/

    Putin 2016: "I like communist and socialist ideas."

    https://newsweek.com/russias-putin-says-he-always-liked-communist-socialist-ideas-419289

    Putin called Stalin "daddy".

    "Daddy took everything & that's all & that's the end of it. Father of the peoples."

    https://ria.ru/20190906/1558407983.html

    Konstantin Preobrazhensky - former KGB agent, 2009.

    http://forumupload.ru/uploads/0011/ce/80/525/t336210.jpg

    “When I left the KGB in 1991, it was dissolved at that time, although it was revived under Putin. After Putin came to power in 2000, he began to persecute all KGB dissidents. Putin's lie machine not only deceives America, but also creates an inadequate and embellished image of Russia, provoking America to make wrong decisions regarding this country.

    The KGB no longer has much need to influence the American Left. For them it was done by their ancestors in Stalin's times. They sowed leftism among the American intelligentsia, and today's KGB is only harvesting them. On the other hand, many American leftists were recruited by the KGB during the Soviet period. They are still working for the Russians. There are many KGB officers in this country.

    In addition, many Americans received left-wing education at left-wing universities in America. Their professors were in contact with the KGB in the 1930s, or "useful idiots," as Lenin cynically called Western intellectuals devotedly working for Russia. Now their successors teach there. Graduates of such universities enter the most important government posts, and this may well affect the American political course. But there is another reason for the growth of leftism. Many are disillusioned with capitalism. Many Americans still believe that socialism is better. When I tell them that socialism inevitably leads to the Gulag, they don't believe me.

    They have developed their own, very special relationship with the Islamic world, based on anti-Americanism. Russia has four centuries of tolerance for Islam and does not want to share it with America. Moreover, Russia's strategic goal is to expose the United States to militant Islam as a scapegoat instead of itself.

    More recently, the wall of silence over my book was finally broken. My book has been reviewed by Professor Claire Lopez:
    Professor Claire Lopez came to a conclusion that is very important to me: “For those who think that the Cold War ended in 1991, this book will make you think again. Konstantin Preobrazhensky wants Americans to become aware of the current agenda of the Russian regime. which, he says, under the rule of Vladimir Putin and the KGB, has returned to a repressive 20th-century state dominated by intelligence.”

    http://www.conflicts.rem33.com/media%20files/Putin%27s%20spies%20in%20America_E.htm

    "Former KGB Lieutenant Colonel Konstantin Preobrazhensky claims that the unification of the Russian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate and the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia is being handled by a specially created KGB department for work with emigrants. "

    http://forumupload.ru/uploads/0011/ce/80/525/t154064.jpg

    https://www.litmir.me/bd/?b=284054

    Jan Sheina was a major general in the communist Czechoslovak army. After losing political power and influence at the start of the Prague Spring, he took refuge in the US consulate in Trieste in 1968 and fled to the United States. He is the second high-ranking officer ever to defect to the West from the Eastern Bloc, after Lieutenant General Ion Mihai Pacepa of the Romanian Security Service.

    http://forumupload.ru/uploads/0011/ce/80/525/t707799.jpg

    The 1982 book We'll Bury You.

    http://forumupload.ru/uploads/0011/ce/80/525/t217205.jpg

    "The Soviet Strategic Plan for establishing their 'socialism' throughout the world undoubtedly exists, and however flexible and pragmatic the Soviet policy may seem, it is essentially aimed at achieving the goals of the Plan - the tasks that were, are and will be." remain extremely hostile and subversive of the freedoms enjoyed by the states of the Western world.”

    p. 103, last paragraph.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20120206122330/http://www.spiritoftruth.org/We_Will_Bury_You.pdf

    Information provided by Jan Seina, passed on to Steven J. Simbala and Joseph D. Douglas, as recorded in their 1987 book The End of Nuclear War: Are the Superpowers Ready?

    “Parts of the Soviet plans to seize control of the United States after a nuclear attack were described by the head of this Office of Special Propaganda, Seine, in 1967, just before Seina fled. The description gives an interesting insight into the possible nature of the Soviet plans and, in a certain sense, their attempts to dress the mechanisms in local or nationalist trappings. In 1967, the Soviets believed that, in addition to strikes against nuclear and critical military installations, approximately 110 nuclear strikes would be enough to cripple the United States. A "Central Rescue and Recovery Committee" and related rescue and recovery committees in the newly created regions will be established. The first action will be to take over radio and television networks and announce changes in national and state governments, that is, in the new committees of Salvation and Restoration. The third party will be formed from the CPUSA, left-wing senators and prominent figures in finance, industry and science. Recruitment here is aimed at those people who are considered naive and those whom the Soviets call "chicken opportunists." Middle-class radicals, blacks and Hispanics will be recruited and organized into a national militia. "Courts of salvation" will be created, and their immediate task will be the execution of members of right-wing groups. Will be heavily dependent on external "advisors" provided by Soviet surrogates and agents, and the new government will be forced to negotiate a peace treaty. Europe will not be destroyed in an attack. Rather, Moscow will launch a propaganda campaign to tell the Europeans that the Soviets saved their lives. The United States will be accused of starting the war, and an international committee for the neutrality of the United States will be formed. From the left, from Europe and elsewhere, there will be pressure for the United States to surrender.”

    paragraph 10

    https://bwcentral.org/2016/05/the-manifesto-of-constitutional-american-nationalism-sovietrussianred-chinese-intentions-for-conquest-of-the-united-states-part-3/

    Former KGB Lieutenant Colonel Viktor Kalashnikov.
    http://forumupload.ru/uploads/0011/ce/80/525/t547763.jpg

    “Kalashnikov makes an excellent point. In addition, we know from the writings of defectors from the Soviet bloc (such as Jan Seina and Anatoly Golitsyn) that a change in the communist system was envisaged long before the 1980s. This change was intended as part of a long-term strategy.

    Soviet planners foresaw the time when reform of the Soviet system would be required. In a book published in 1984, KGB defector Anatoly Golitsyn wrote about a secret Soviet plan to end Communist Party domination. This, he says, would be a scam. The Communist Party would still exist below the surface. It will simply go underground or break up into various new parties that, according to the scenario, will control the Russian political process. Before the crisis, Kalashnikov noted the dexterity of the Kremlin: “Moscow managed to regroup, recuperate by launching Islamist forces. Thus, they retained Soviet legitimacy. This is extremely important to understand. From a diplomatic point of view, the Russian Federation is the Soviet Union today. He has all the prerequisites, with the Security Council, central structures, etc. And it retains the status of a nuclear superpower. Back in 1991, we were told: “Listen, comrade, this is a defeat for us, But this is a temporary setback.” The Soviet Union never once accepted defeat in the Cold War, not for a minute. There was not even a temporary break in politics from Gorbachev to Yeltsin to Putin. We have reorganized and will be back on track. You probably remember the removal of the monument to Dzerzhinsky in front of the KGB headquarters. Now I will describe the reaction in our ranks, in our residences. When we saw what happened in Moscow, everyone breathed a sigh of relief. We knew that someone had skillfully diverted the crowd in front of our headquarters to this poor monument to Dzerzhinsky, so our premises remained untouched. This was a huge difference from what happened in East Berlin. We immediately realized that the leaders and organizers of this crowd are KGB officers, our agents. The fall of the monument to Dzerzhinsky was organized by the KGB. Ultimately, it was a fake event."

    And what was the position of the top leadership of the KGB at that time? “In October 1991, I went to Moscow to meet with General Viktor Ivanenko, who was the head of the KGB security service. He wanted to see me to discuss the situation with the money of the Communist Party and the KGB. Austria, where I worked for the KGB, was at the center of the international business of the Soviet Communist Party. In Austria, we had several controlled banks, and the general directors were KGB officers, that is, in capitalist Austria. The Russian presence in Austria was overwhelming. Talking about my visit to the general Ivanenko, I wanted to say that the top of the KGB did not show any nervousness or bad mood about what happened, but simply restructured their affairs in accordance with the new situation. In Vienna itself, the head of the Communist Party changed his suit and became a capitalist.

    The turn to capitalism in Russia was not a fair turn to freedom. The privatization of the Soviet Union meant only the transfer of state property into the hands of the nomenklatura. According to Kalashnikov, “To put it simply, they began the process of transferring national wealth, factories, resources, etc. for nothing, into the hands of the Soviet elite and proxies. In Russia, the nomenklatura took everything for itself. They did not seek to confine themselves to laws, regulations, or institutions of any kind.” This was the formula for managed capitalism in Russia. In this way, Kalashnikov explained, the Russian communists used the “privatization” process to turn themselves into a business class that could make deals with the West.”

    paragraphs 4 and 7-10

    https://www.financialsense.com/contributors/jr-nyquist/the-new-russian-threat-out-of-the-old-soviet-collapse

    Interviews with Soviet dissidents - American channel C-Span 1987:

    Ilya Levin: "There is an opinion that glasnost and perestroika were conceived by the KGB specialists ... which is very possible."

    23:35

    https://youtu.be/GDLqJOa7OMc?t=1413

    Soviet defector Mr Anatoliy Golitsyn - The Perestroika Deception, 1995;

    “If the Soviets were truly moving towards genuine democracy & intent on a ‘Break with the Past’, they would implement a decommunization program. Without such a program, present changes, however impressive, will remain cosmetic.”

    Page 142

    https://www.chinhnghia.com/GOLITSYN(Anatoliy)-Perestroika_Deception_(1998).pdf

    Hence:





    (Jєω) Putin 2012: "Eurasianism has taken root in Russia for a long time & is acquiring a completely new meaning, with the intensification of integration processes in the POST-SOVIET SPACE. Moreover, from the field of political philosophy it has actually migrated to the political plane, to the AGENDA OF CURRENT WORK."

    29th paragraph

    https://web.archive.org/web/20120505091131/http://premier.gov.ru/events/news/18763/





    You seem to believe that all of the information in the above links is true. So they are not capable of lying? That's very interesting - that those news sources that you cite sources are supposedly so honest and accurate - while our Western Media is (as we all know) completely controlled.

    Do you see the problem here?

    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
    « Reply #36 on: December 14, 2022, 09:43:05 AM »
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  • You seem to believe that all of the information in the above links is true. So they are not capable of lying? That's very interesting - that those news sources that you cite sources are supposedly so honest and accurate - while our Western Media is (as we all know) completely controlled.

    Do you see the problem here?
    Oh please. Get down from your high horse, Meg. You have the unique inabilities of being incapable of doing your own research and trolling with a barrage of useless questions. It would be great if you had looked into what you are dismissing yourself, but from your past comments I have no reason to believe that to be the case. If you decide to do real research, please let us know.

    (Not a blanket endorsement of what's quoted, but pointing out Meg's sealioning troll tactic.)

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    « Reply #37 on: December 14, 2022, 09:44:45 AM »
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  • Lady Meg,

    It comes down to what you believe.

    1. Do you believe in Novus ordo mass Eucharistic miracles?

    2. Do you believe de-sacralized Novus ordo missae consecrations made by improperly ordained priests confect valid Holy Eucharists?

    3. Do you think the KGB jєω-boy, Putin from a country continuously controlled by the Jєωs since 1917, is really fighting the NWO or is part of the NWO?

    4. Do you think it is probable for Novus ordo Archbishops to have trad-conversions, go into hiding and still be unable to write down the word "Jєω"?
        Or to utter words of truth against their former masters, the Opus Dei?

    :popcorn:


    You mean it all comes down to our opinions. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    « Reply #38 on: December 14, 2022, 09:48:32 AM »
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  • Oh please. Get down from your high horse, Meg. You have the unique inabilities of being incapable of doing your own research and trolling with a barrage of irrelevant questions. It would be great if you had looked into what you are dismissing yourself, but from your past comments I have no reason to believe that to be the case. If you decide to do real research, please let us know.

    (Not a blanket endorsement of what's quoted, but pointing out Meg's sealioning troll tactic.)

    You didn't actually address what I wrote. How do we know that the information in the links is true? Our Media in the U.S. is completely controlled. I can't really believe any of it.
    But you and the new guy believe that Russian and Jєωιѕн sources are not controlled, and that they are always accurate and true, and that if we don't believe that it's all true, then there's something terribly wrong with us. How is that possible?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    « Reply #39 on: December 14, 2022, 09:50:31 AM »
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  • You didn't actually address what I wrote. How do we know that the information in the links is true? Our Media in the U.S. is completely controlled. I can't really believe any of it.
    But you and the new guy believe that Russian and Jєωιѕн sources are not controlled, and that they are always accurate and true. How is that possible?
    This is disingenuous because there are sources you do trust to form your opinions, which you post everywhere on the forum. You question the authenticity of contrary sources of information that contradict your preferred worldview. Answer your own question in relation to your own preferred sources. I think we can make a good guess at how you might respond, however.

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    « Reply #40 on: December 14, 2022, 09:54:32 AM »
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  • This is disingenuous because there are sources you do trust to form your opinions, which you post everywhere on the forum. You question the authenticity of contrary sources of information that contradict your preferred worldview. Answer your own question in relation to your own preferred sources. I think we can make a good guess at how you might respond, however.

    Why do you believe that the Russian and Jєωιѕн sources that you and your buddy have linked to are always honest and accurate? Or that your interpretation of them is accurate?What sources have I posted everywhere on the forum?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    « Reply #41 on: December 14, 2022, 10:17:05 AM »
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  • You failed to understand what I wrote before (on purpose?), so there is no need to answer your sealioning questions. Do some real research sometime if you are truly curious.

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    « Reply #42 on: December 14, 2022, 10:26:22 AM »
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  • You failed to understand what I wrote before (on purpose?), so there is no need to answer your sealioning questions. Do some real research sometime if you are truly curious.

    I don't know what 'sealioning' means. Is that even an English word?

    As far as my sources are concerned, I rely heavily on the Resistance bishops and clergy, which the new forum member, Simon Peter, is trying to discredit. I like the Non Possumus blog (Resistance). There are also two other blogs that I like - Mundabor's blog, and the Eponymous Flower blog, and that's pretty much it. There are no Jєωιѕн or Russian sources that I look to for truth, as you and Simon Peter look to. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
    « Reply #43 on: December 14, 2022, 10:43:06 AM »
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  • As far as my sources are concerned, I rely heavily on the Resistance bishops and clergy ...
    Most people aren't meant to be their own experts. You could state that you hold +Williamson's position and move on, but you can't argue effectively against Golitsyn, etc. It's a different opinion, but it is not a pro-Biden/Democrat opinion. The same end result of global governance is asserted by this different opinion.

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    Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
    « Reply #44 on: December 14, 2022, 10:50:53 AM »
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  • Most people aren't meant to be their own experts. You could state that you hold +Williamson's position and move on, but you can't argue effectively against Golitsyn, etc. It's a different opinion, but it is not a pro-Biden/Democrat opinion. The same end result of global governance is asserted by this different opinion.

    I agree that we aren't meant to be our own experts, but we all have to rely on some source for our opinions during these difficult times. I believe that my sources are better than yours. My sources at least are Traditional Catholic sources.

    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29