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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: SeanJohnson on December 10, 2022, 12:29:15 PM

Title: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: SeanJohnson on December 10, 2022, 12:29:15 PM
Am I missing anything recent from him?

The most recent thing I could find from him was from 11/22 (i.e., 18-19 days ago).

That's a pretty slow pace for him.

I wonder if he's pondering whether or not to come out with something huge?

:popcorn:
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: 2Vermont on December 10, 2022, 01:29:36 PM
Silenced?
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: SeanJohnson on December 10, 2022, 01:33:18 PM
Silenced?

By whom?

Certainly not Rome.  Then who could silence him?
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: 2Vermont on December 10, 2022, 01:35:56 PM
By whom?

Certainly not Rome.  Then who could silence him?
Why "certainly not Rome"?
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: SeanJohnson on December 10, 2022, 01:45:01 PM
Why "certainly not Rome"?

Because he is at war with Rome, and in hiding for his life.

How could he be submitting to orders from men he fears may want to kill him?
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: 2Vermont on December 10, 2022, 01:49:02 PM
Because he is at war with Rome, and in hiding for his life.

How could he be submitting to orders from men he fears may want to kill him?
Could something nefarious have happened to him? Depending how long the silence goes on, that's where my head would go.  

If he were to die, would we be told?
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: 2Vermont on December 10, 2022, 02:00:17 PM
Had anyone seen this?

EXCLUSIVE: Archbishop Vigano Shares His Message with Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International (thegatewaypundit.com) (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/exclusive-archbishop-vigano-shares-message-medical-doctors-covid-ethics-international/)
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: Incredulous on December 10, 2022, 02:15:59 PM



HE is probably attending another Opus Dei conference, getting fresh material and some grammatical help for his 2023 trad-cyclicals.

(https://www.pnac.org/wp-content/uploads/25691146874_ee9102a439_k.jpg)
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: SeanJohnson on December 10, 2022, 02:25:36 PM


HE is probably attending another Opus Dei conference, getting fresh material and some grammatical help for his 2023 trad-cyclicals.

(https://www.pnac.org/wp-content/uploads/25691146874_ee9102a439_k.jpg)

The Opus Dei objection is no longer viable, in light of Bishop Williamson's response to that concern.

See here at 45:40 -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzvdX7JYlhY


In short, as the #11 man in the Church, he was circulating in the same environs as Opus Dei (i.e., as part of his job, not from ideological affinity or goal sharing/collaboration).

But supposing he was -just for the sake of argument- it would be like showing a pic of Bishop Lazo saying the new Mass from 1980 (i.e., before his conversion to tradition).

When you have pics/docs/videos of Vigano commiserating with Opus Dei prelates AFTER his conversion to Tradition, then you can resume this narrative.
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: SeanJohnson on December 10, 2022, 03:01:41 PM
Had anyone seen this?

EXCLUSIVE: Archbishop Vigano Shares His Message with Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International (thegatewaypundit.com) (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/exclusive-archbishop-vigano-shares-message-medical-doctors-covid-ethics-international/)

Looks like that came out originally on 11/22, which were definitely has last public words.

If they whack him, I become sedevacantist the same day.
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: Kazimierz on December 10, 2022, 04:13:12 PM
Perhaps His Excellency is still suffering from a bad flu that keeps him bedridden?

Perhaps he is working on a whopper of a docuмent for a Christmas release? 

Trying to remain optimistic which is hard as I am a pessimistic optimistic realist.
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: Incredulous on December 10, 2022, 04:39:09 PM
Sean,

Thank you for re-posting your interview video of Bp. Williamson.

I listened to it, the rehash of SSPX Resistance history and HE's comments defending Archbishop Vigano.

The repeated theme of HE's comments is that his motivations are in seeking the truth and he believes ABV, represents the truth.

And so too, the traditional Catholic movement, much betrayed by politicians and prelates, is scrupulous in seeking graces to discern the truth.

The above photo of Archbishop Vigano represents a truth of his past, that he was and is very familiar with the leaders of Opus Dei.

If Archbishop Vigano is sincere in his trad conversion, he will be truthful in exposing Opus Judei.

The secret prelature's pedigree smells to high Heaven, with JPII's butchering of the Canonization process for Escriva, to their current covert administration of Church operations.  They are the "SS" within newChurch.

Therefore, Bishop Williamson's explanation that Vigano's utterance of the words, "jew" or Opus Dei might "kick the hornet's nest" doesn't fly.

And Lads' "Vigano effect" flies about as far as Trumps' MAGA effect.   Obviously, both men do not represent the whole truth.



Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: SeanJohnson on December 10, 2022, 04:43:02 PM
Sean,

Thank you for re-posting your interview video of Bp. Williamson.

I listened to it, the rehash of SSPX Resistance history and HE's comments defending Archbishop Vigano.

The repeated theme of HE's comments is that his motivations are in seeking the truth and he believes ABV, represents the truth.

And so too, the traditional Catholic movement, much betrayed by politicians and prelates, is scrupulous in seeking graces to discern the truth.

The above photo of Archbishop Vigano represents a truth of his past, that he was and is very familiar with the leaders of Opus Dei.

If Archbishop Vigano is sincere in his trad conversion, he will be truthful in exposing Opus Judei.

The secret prelature's pedigree smells to high Heaven, with JPII's butchering of the Canonization process for Escriva, to their current covert administration of Church operations.  They are the "SS" within newChurch.

Therefore, Bishop Williamson's explanation that Vigano's utterance of the words, "Jєω" or Opus Dei might "kick the hornet's nest" doesn't fly.

And Lads' "Vigano effect" flies about as far as Trumps' MAGA effect.  Obviously, both men do not represent the whole truth.

We disagree.  No problem.  Pax.
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: Donachie on December 10, 2022, 04:55:58 PM
Desert to ghost town frequencies, come in, over. Desert to ghost town frequencies, come in, over. St. Anthony's tomb, come in, over. Zombie vaccinate that out roger.
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: SimpleMan on December 10, 2022, 06:42:21 PM


HE is probably attending another Opus Dei conference, getting fresh material and some grammatical help for his 2023 trad-cyclicals.

(https://www.pnac.org/wp-content/uploads/25691146874_ee9102a439_k.jpg)

As my father would have said, who's Trixie?
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: Nadir on December 10, 2022, 09:02:37 PM
Dunno, but she does love her tinsel!
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: SimpleMan on December 10, 2022, 10:42:26 PM
Dunno, but she does love her tinsel!
Just guessing, she might be the wife of the layman standing behind her, whomever he is.

"Trixie" was my father's name for any woman who is reasonably attractive, seems to be aware of it, and dresses and comports herself in a way to draw attention to herself (not necessarily immodestly).  
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: 2Vermont on December 10, 2022, 10:49:40 PM
Just guessing, she might be the wife of the layman standing behind her, whomever he is.

"Trixie" was my father's name for any woman who is reasonably attractive, seems to be aware of it, and dresses and comports herself in a way to draw attention to herself (not necessarily immodestly). 
First thing I noticed was the short skirt.

Who is the Cardinal with his hand on the priest in front?  Dolan?
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: Incredulous on December 12, 2022, 12:27:35 PM
Desert to ghost town frequencies, come in, over. Desert to ghost town frequencies, come in, over. St. Anthony's tomb, come in, over. Zombie vaccinate that out roger.

You suddenly reminded me of Art Bell’s (Jєωιѕн) paranormal radio show broadcasting from “the high desert and great American Southwest” 😊
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: Donachie on December 12, 2022, 04:54:06 PM
You suddenly reminded me of Art Bell’s (Jєωιѕн) paranormal radio show broadcasting from “the high desert and great American Southwest” 😊
I think Art Bell had a Lutheran background. "Coast to Coast AM" seemed to me to be generalized Bermuda Triangle, Big Foot, UFO's, and Loch Ness Monster ghost town goofy, et cetera. They did have Malachi Martin on, and Ariel Sharon did feel confident anyway that the USA is run by the Jews.

If they had had "Maurice Pinay" for a guest, that would've been good.
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: Yeti on December 12, 2022, 05:01:19 PM
Duginist-Eurasian propagandist 'Archbishop' Viganò.

Viganò's brother calls him a 'wolf in sheep's clothing'

https://uccronline.it/2018/11/15/condannato-mons-vigano-rubava-al-fratello-disabile-mentre-faceva-la-morale-al-papa/

Sister Rosanna calls him a 'a very skilled scoundrel, like a magician in deceiving her.'

https://ilsussidiario.net/news/chiesa/vaticano/2018/11/15/lex-nunzio-vigano-dovra-risarcire-il-fratello-di-2-mln-di-euro-attacco-duramente-papa-francesco/1806977/

Luke 11:34

"The light of thy body is thy eye. If thy eye be single, thy whole body will be lightsome: but if it be evil, thy body also will be darksome."
.


Uh oh .......... :popcorn:
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: Meg on December 12, 2022, 05:30:45 PM
Sister Rosanna calls him a 'a very skilled scoundrel, like a magician in deceiving her.'

https://ilsussidiario.net/news/chiesa/vaticano/2018/11/15/lex-nunzio-vigano-dovra-risarcire-il-fratello-di-2-mln-di-euro-attacco-duramente-papa-francesco/1806977/

I can't find any proof that Vigano has a sister named Rosanna. Do you have any other sources for the above claim, other than the Italian tabloid you linked to? 
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: SeanJohnson on December 12, 2022, 05:53:27 PM
I can't find any proof that Vigano has a sister named Rosanna. Do you have any other sources for the above claim, other than the Italian tabloid you linked to?

Its old news: https://www.ncregister.com/blog/archbishop-vigano-addresses-dispute-with-brother-over-family-inheritance

Family and money.

Oil and water.

"Archbishop Viganò, who remains in hiding after publishing his testimony against Vatican corruption in August, said in the statement that his brother has been subjecting him to a “judicial siege and a veritable defamation campaign in the press” for over a decade, adding that the priest failed to inform “obliging journalists that the accusations” made against Archbishop Viganò had been “abandoned or dismissed in the 10 civil, criminal, and administrative cases attempted to date.”
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: SeanJohnson on December 12, 2022, 05:59:04 PM
Yes:

In a complaint filed with Swiss prosecutors in 2012, Rosanna Viganò said she was aware some of her money had been used to purchase an apartment in 1983 with the deed in the archbishop's name, but she found out in 2012 that the property had been sold without her knowledge and claimed the archbishop kept the money from the sale for himself.

penultimate paragraph

https://www.thetablet.co.uk/news/11025/milan-court-rules-against-former-nuncio-in-inheritance-lawsuit

Vigano is a Jєωιѕн plant in the Church, to swing Catholics/conservatives to fake conservative/crypto-Jєω/crypto-Communist Putin and Russia and accept the demise of Western civilisation.

The Western 'globalhomo' was plumbed into the West as the ideological enemy of the real planned Eurasian NWO. Lots of waking up to do. Both Biden and Trump are CHABAD crypto-Jєωs.

Major Robert Williams 1952:


"The Jєωιѕн masters who steer the policies of the Soviet Union & those who have so much influence over the Western nations have set the stage for a third world war. In this one, white youths from America, Britain & Western Europe are to be thrown against white youths from Eastern Europe and Russia, backed by the equally befuddled & driven hordes of Asia. Surely such a war is designed to devastate & enchain the white nations (and all nations)."



45th para



https://web.archive.org/web/20161216162243/http://traditionalcatholic.net/Tradition/Information/Conversion_of_Jєωιѕн_Nation/Chapter-VIII.html



CHABAD Medvedev is working to the тαℓмυd WW3 script, to destroy Western Civilisation (Edom-Rome-Christianity).





Medvedev threatens to use 'the most powerful weapons of destruction' against the West



"Our enemy is not only in Kiev. Also, Europe, USA, Japan, Australia, New Zealand. That is why we are intensifying the production of the most powerful means of destruction."



https://larazon.es/internacional/europa/20221211/7iagmqsq4rdffnxmqum3nvbgfy.html?outputType=amp&fbclid=IwAR1PHJh2GavR4PssXmiOUqHuTVHgE7UUojP6GHi8CSd6q5g3w_VUEzxjUsA



тαℓмυd: Rabbi David Kimchi writes as follows in Obadiam:



"Once ROME IS DESTROYED we'll be redeemed."



http://тαℓмυdunmasked.com/chapter15.htm



CHABAD Rebbe SCHNEERSON: Jєωιѕн REDEMPTION/MOSHIACH COMES VIA 'REFINING' OF ROME



"The house of Eisav (Edom-Rome-West) will be stubble. They will set them ablaze & consume them until there is no remnant of the house of Eisav."



paras 8-9



http://beismoshiach.org/Dvar%20Malchus/sie346.htm



2019: Putin prepares people in advance, to the East's easy win in WW3.



"We will develop offensive weapons that will defeat any ABM system. And we have developed them and EVERYONE KNOWS THIS BY NOW. We have hypersonic missiles that follow a low trajectory rather than a ballistic one. No one has hypersonic missiles today, except us.



They are unprecedented & unmatched."



paras 31 & 33



https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/world/2019/10/13/Full-transcript-of-Russian-president-Vladimir-Putin-interview-with-Al-Arabiya.html



Henry Ford



"The Jєωs told me how they started & controlled war."



para 8



http://usa-the-republic.com/international%20Jєω/The%20Wisdom%20of%20Henry%20Ford.htm



CHABAD Rebbe Schneerson.



"The 3rd temple (to be built by moshiach) can only be completed through the eradication of the descendants of Amalek."



CHABAD rabbis says Amalek is 'Christianity/Western Civilisation and must be destroyed for coming of Moshiach.


http://truth.prabhupada.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Jєωs-exterminate-west.mp4



Putin's Rabbi Berel Lazar (image 1 with Medvedev) reveals his guiding 'doctrine'.


"Our strategy is spelled out in the тαℓмυd."



30th para



https://lechaim.ru/blogger/lazar/


Kabbalist and Eurasianist Avigdor Eskin:


"According to Kabbala, a great Eurasian power will arise & deliver the Jєωs from exile. Putin is the new Cyrus the Great & will help build the third temple (when moshiach-antichrist comes)."

https://valermoch.livejournal.com/tag/%D0%9C%D0%BE%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%B0%D1%85

Good God, if trash like this goes unmoderated, I need another 5 months.


:facepalm:
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: Meg on December 12, 2022, 06:02:13 PM
Good God, if trash like this goes unmoderated, I need another 5 months.


:facepalm:

Probably a re-tread, hoping to "enlighten" us trads. 
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: SimpleMan on December 12, 2022, 06:11:50 PM
First thing I noticed was the short skirt.

Who is the Cardinal with his hand on the priest in front?  Dolan?

I noticed that too, it was just a skootch shorter than it should have been.

I suspect she might be some European aristocrat or near-aristocrat who is somehow connected to Opus Dei.

Not a bad-looking woman, but she should have been a little more covered than she was.  At least she's not dressed as provocatively as that little lady on the Italian TV show where Francis appeared.  She's the one who sits on the desk and puts her feet on it.  Not clear what that's supposed to be all about. 

My father would have referred to her as "Trixie" too.
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: Meg on December 12, 2022, 06:16:44 PM
Yes:

In a complaint filed with Swiss prosecutors in 2012, Rosanna Viganò said she was aware some of her money had been used to purchase an apartment in 1983 with the deed in the archbishop's name, but she found out in 2012 that the property had been sold without her knowledge and claimed the archbishop kept the money from the sale for himself.

penultimate paragraph

https://www.thetablet.co.uk/news/11025/milan-court-rules-against-former-nuncio-in-inheritance-lawsuit

Okay, so +Vigano does have a sister, and apparntly she took +Vigano to court, as did his brother. We knew about the brother though - as Sean said - that's old news. We are only seeing one side of the story, so it can't really be held as proof that +Vigano is a Jєωιѕн plant. 
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: Meg on December 12, 2022, 06:18:44 PM
Interesting that Sean Johnson has begun dirty discreditation already.

But anyway, there is a lot of disinfo everywhere, so ignore him and verify the facts. Vigano is an imposter and seducing Western Catholics to accept the Neo-Soviet Moscow/Third Rome/Duginist Eurasian plan.

The narratives of +Williamson, Johnson and Vigano are a set-up

So the narratives of Johnson, +Williamson, and +Vigano are set-ups, huh? Set up by whom, exactly? 
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: dxcat40 on December 12, 2022, 06:26:54 PM
I can't find any proof that Vigano has a sister named Rosanna. ...
Okay, so +Vigano does have a sister, ...
:laugh1:
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: Meg on December 12, 2022, 06:29:17 PM
:laugh1:

Nice to see that you are so easily amused.  ::)
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: 2Vermont on December 13, 2022, 07:59:21 AM
Looks like that came out originally on 11/22, which were definitely has last public words.

If they whack him, I become sedevacantist the same day.
Why would that make you a sedevacantist?
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: Incredulous on December 13, 2022, 10:59:21 AM
I think Art Bell had a Lutheran background. "Coast to Coast AM" seemed to me to be generalized Bermuda Triangle, Big Foot, UFO's, and Loch Ness Monster ghost town goofy, et cetera. They did have Malachi Martin on, and Ariel Sharon did feel confident anyway that the USA is run by the Jєωs.

If they had had "Maurice Pinay" for a guest, that would've been good.


We had this debate on this forum at the time Art Bell died.

I think there is strong evidence he was a crypto Jєω.

Just look at his physiognomy, listen to his nasal voice and his then his background, accused of molesting his own son.

But that's are only part of it.  Bell's real judaic mission was to spew theological heresies to the secular world.  Which he did quite effectively.
That is his legacy.

Concerning Bell's Malachi Martin interviews, they may be to most damaging to Martin's credibility.  For example, when questioned by Bell about his intentions, Martin responded that he functioned similar to "Maimonides" (the тαℓмυdic father) to his people.  This was a major red flag warning us about him.

Martin's background is rife with ghost writing for the jews.
He has been accused of being a crypto-Jєω infiltrator agent and there is much archive evidence on this forum evidence to support this argument.
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: Incredulous on December 13, 2022, 11:23:42 AM
So the narratives of Johnson, +Williamson, and +Vigano are set-ups, huh? Set up by whom, exactly?


Lady Meg,

It comes down to what you believe.

1. Do you believe in Novus ordo mass Eucharistic miracles?

2. Do you believe de-sacralized Novus ordo missae consecrations made by improperly ordained priests confect valid Holy Eucharists?

3. Do you think the KGB jєω-boy, Putin from a country continuously controlled by the jews since 1917, is really fighting the NWO or is part of the NWO?

4. Do you think it is probable for Novus ordo Archbishops to have trad-conversions, go into hiding and still be unable to write down the word "Jєω"?
    Or to utter words of truth against their former masters, the Opus Dei?

:popcorn:





Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: SImon Peter on December 14, 2022, 07:40:48 AM
Waiting for an answer from Sean Johnson, as requested above.

"Let us test Mr Johnson's integrity and ask him to verifiably communicate the below vital understanding to +Williamson and through his network, to Vigano and respond reasonably himself to the proof (which is far from exhaustive)."

The Church is being deceived that Jєωιѕн controlled and still communist Russia, is a potential 'liberator' in WW3, from the Jєωιѕн created enemy of the 'Globalists'. Surely Mr Johnson would be keen to communicate this vital knowledge, especially to prelates, so they can warn the Church and flock.
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: Yeti on December 14, 2022, 08:05:07 AM
Waiting for an answer from Sean Johnson, as requested above.

"Let us test Mr Johnson's integrity and ask him to verifiably communicate the below vital understanding to +Williamson and through his network, to Vigano and respond reasonably himself to the proof (which is far from exhaustive)."
.

Sean never claimed to have any way of passing a message to Vigano. Why do you think he does? :confused:
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: Meg on December 14, 2022, 09:34:27 AM
Let us test Mr Johnson's integrity and ask him to verifiably communicate the below vital understanding to +Williamson and through his network, to Vigano and respond reasonably himself to the proof (which is far from exhaustive).

Here is some proof that Putin is a CHABAD crypto-Jєω and Russia is controlled by Jєωs.

Ex-Mossad Rabbi Rothkoff:

"CHABAD OWNS RUSSIA. PUTIN is a CHABADNIK."

10m 39s - 10m 59s

https://torahcafe.com/rabbi-aaron-rakeffet-rothkoff/my-life-as-a-mossad-agent-in-russia-video_1aef4dc32.html (https://torahcafe.com/rabbi-aaron-rakeffet-rothkoff/my-life-as-a-mossad-agent-in-russia-video_1aef4dc32.html)

Former secretary of 7th Rebbe of CHABAD -  Menachem Schneerson.

'Putin spoke about Chabad as if he were an emissary.'

https://www.israelhayom.com/2019/07/12/putin-spoke-about-chabad-as-if-he-were-an-emissary/ (https://www.israelhayom.com/2019/07/12/putin-spoke-about-chabad-as-if-he-were-an-emissary/)

Putin prays for re-building of 3rd Jєωιѕн temple (to be completed by the Jєωιѕн messiah-moshiach (antichrist);

https://collive.com/putins-chat-at-the-kotel/ (https://collive.com/putins-chat-at-the-kotel/)

CHABAD OF UTAH refer to Berel Lazar, as 'Putin's Rabbi'.

https://bit.ly/3PmIC74 (https://bit.ly/3PmIC74)

Russian Political Scientist Andrei Piontkovsky, warns Putin is a Jєωιѕн тαℓмυdist intertwined with CHABAD, whose goal is to advance the coming of the Jєωιѕн Messiah.

https://web.archive.org/web/20200216121343/http://novievesti.ru/moda/andrew-piontkovsky-political-scientist-recent-andrei-piontkovsky-defeat-of-putin/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20200216121343/http://novievesti.ru/moda/andrew-piontkovsky-political-scientist-recent-andrei-piontkovsky-defeat-of-putin/)

Ex Russian Deputy Prime Minister Mikhael POLTORANIN: RUSSIA IS GOVERNED BY B'NAI B'RITH.

"The Medvedev-Putin tandem is under B'nai-Brith & fulfils its will."

paragraph 33

https://luchmir.com/Politika2010/STOPPutinDec10.htm (https://luchmir.com/Politika2010/STOPPutinDec10.htm)


And some proof that Russia is not Christian (as Vigano falsely claims.) and both Putin and Russia are still communist.

(Crypto-Jєω & communist) Putin banned evangelisation in 2016.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/thousands-fast-after-putin-signs-law-banning-evangelism-outside-of-churches

Russian Orthodox writer Vladimir Moss, 2015:

“These statistics show that Russia, far from leading the world in the practice of Christian virtue, is perhaps the most corrupt country of all. As regards general criminality, theft, corruption and murder (including abortion), Russia is very near the top of the league, and this not least because the government itself has taken the lead in these activities, making Russia into a mafia state run by and for a small clique of fantastically rich criminals. Thus the general picture is one of extreme moral degradation.”

24th paragraph

http://orthodoxchristianbooks.com/articles/650/from-lenin-putin-continuity-soviet-power/

Russian Political Scientist Andrei Piontkovsky:

“Nationalism is the religion of Russians, who are mostly atheists.”

https://web.archive.org/web/20200216121343/http://novievesti.ru/moda/andrew-piontkovsky-political-scientist-recent-andrei-piontkovsky-defeat-of-putin/

Pew Research 2017: “Just 6% of Russian Orthodox Christians attend church weekly.”

https://www.pewforum.org/2017/11/08/orthodox-christianity-in-the-21st-century/

Russia’s abortion rate is nearly twice that of the US

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/abortion-rates-by-country

“WHO data indicated there were more occult/faith healers (800,000) in Russia than professional doctors (640,000).

https://newhumanist.org.uk/articles/4862/black-magic-on-red-square

Russian Interior Ministry 2008: “Satanism greater threat to national security than Islamic radicalism.”

https://archive.vn/5RBns#selection-579.122-579.261

Putin supports both abortion and gαy rights.

https://www.iwmf.org/reporting/putin-the-pro-choice-champion/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/vladimir-putin-i-know-some-people-who-are-gαy-we-re-on-friendly-terms-9070363.html

Putin encourages Communist Revolution in the West.

"Back in the 1930s, Communist International leaders wrote that both black and white workers had a common enemy – imperialism and capitalism. They also wrote that these people could become the most effective group in the future revolutionary battle. So, this is something that can be seen, to a degree, as common values, if not a unifying agent for us. I am not afraid to say so. This is true,"

paragraph 1

https://www.memri.org/reports/russian-president-putin-countering-imperialism-and-capitalism-can-provide-unifying-agent

Putin 2018: "Lenin's body as Christian relic."

https://rt.com/news/415883-putin-communist-ideology-christianity/

Putin 2016: "I like communist and socialist ideas."

https://newsweek.com/russias-putin-says-he-always-liked-communist-socialist-ideas-419289

Putin called Stalin "daddy".

"Daddy took everything & that's all & that's the end of it. Father of the peoples."

https://ria.ru/20190906/1558407983.html

Konstantin Preobrazhensky - former KGB agent, 2009.

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“When I left the KGB in 1991, it was dissolved at that time, although it was revived under Putin. After Putin came to power in 2000, he began to persecute all KGB dissidents. Putin's lie machine not only deceives America, but also creates an inadequate and embellished image of Russia, provoking America to make wrong decisions regarding this country.

The KGB no longer has much need to influence the American Left. For them it was done by their ancestors in Stalin's times. They sowed leftism among the American intelligentsia, and today's KGB is only harvesting them. On the other hand, many American leftists were recruited by the KGB during the Soviet period. They are still working for the Russians. There are many KGB officers in this country.

In addition, many Americans received left-wing education at left-wing universities in America. Their professors were in contact with the KGB in the 1930s, or "useful idiots," as Lenin cynically called Western intellectuals devotedly working for Russia. Now their successors teach there. Graduates of such universities enter the most important government posts, and this may well affect the American political course. But there is another reason for the growth of leftism. Many are disillusioned with capitalism. Many Americans still believe that socialism is better. When I tell them that socialism inevitably leads to the Gulag, they don't believe me.

They have developed their own, very special relationship with the Islamic world, based on anti-Americanism. Russia has four centuries of tolerance for Islam and does not want to share it with America. Moreover, Russia's strategic goal is to expose the United States to militant Islam as a scapegoat instead of itself.

More recently, the wall of silence over my book was finally broken. My book has been reviewed by Professor Claire Lopez:
Professor Claire Lopez came to a conclusion that is very important to me: “For those who think that the Cold War ended in 1991, this book will make you think again. Konstantin Preobrazhensky wants Americans to become aware of the current agenda of the Russian regime. which, he says, under the rule of Vladimir Putin and the KGB, has returned to a repressive 20th-century state dominated by intelligence.”

http://www.conflicts.rem33.com/media%20files/Putin%27s%20spies%20in%20America_E.htm

"Former KGB Lieutenant Colonel Konstantin Preobrazhensky claims that the unification of the Russian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate and the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia is being handled by a specially created KGB department for work with emigrants. "

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https://www.litmir.me/bd/?b=284054 (https://www.litmir.me/bd/?b=284054)

Jan Sheina was a major general in the communist Czechoslovak army. After losing political power and influence at the start of the Prague Spring, he took refuge in the US consulate in Trieste in 1968 and fled to the United States. He is the second high-ranking officer ever to defect to the West from the Eastern Bloc, after Lieutenant General Ion Mihai Pacepa of the Romanian Security Service.

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The 1982 book We'll Bury You.

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"The Soviet Strategic Plan for establishing their 'socialism' throughout the world undoubtedly exists, and however flexible and pragmatic the Soviet policy may seem, it is essentially aimed at achieving the goals of the Plan - the tasks that were, are and will be." remain extremely hostile and subversive of the freedoms enjoyed by the states of the Western world.”

p. 103, last paragraph.

https://web.archive.org/web/20120206122330/http://www.spiritoftruth.org/We_Will_Bury_You.pdf

Information provided by Jan Seina, passed on to Steven J. Simbala and Joseph D. Douglas, as recorded in their 1987 book The End of Nuclear War: Are the Superpowers Ready?

“Parts of the Soviet plans to seize control of the United States after a nuclear attack were described by the head of this Office of Special Propaganda, Seine, in 1967, just before Seina fled. The description gives an interesting insight into the possible nature of the Soviet plans and, in a certain sense, their attempts to dress the mechanisms in local or nationalist trappings. In 1967, the Soviets believed that, in addition to strikes against nuclear and critical military installations, approximately 110 nuclear strikes would be enough to cripple the United States. A "Central Rescue and Recovery Committee" and related rescue and recovery committees in the newly created regions will be established. The first action will be to take over radio and television networks and announce changes in national and state governments, that is, in the new committees of Salvation and Restoration. The third party will be formed from the CPUSA, left-wing senators and prominent figures in finance, industry and science. Recruitment here is aimed at those people who are considered naive and those whom the Soviets call "chicken opportunists." Middle-class radicals, blacks and Hispanics will be recruited and organized into a national militia. "Courts of salvation" will be created, and their immediate task will be the execution of members of right-wing groups. Will be heavily dependent on external "advisors" provided by Soviet surrogates and agents, and the new government will be forced to negotiate a peace treaty. Europe will not be destroyed in an attack. Rather, Moscow will launch a propaganda campaign to tell the Europeans that the Soviets saved their lives. The United States will be accused of starting the war, and an international committee for the neutrality of the United States will be formed. From the left, from Europe and elsewhere, there will be pressure for the United States to surrender.”

paragraph 10

https://bwcentral.org/2016/05/the-manifesto-of-constitutional-american-nationalism-sovietrussianred-chinese-intentions-for-conquest-of-the-united-states-part-3/

Former KGB Lieutenant Colonel Viktor Kalashnikov.
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“Kalashnikov makes an excellent point. In addition, we know from the writings of defectors from the Soviet bloc (such as Jan Seina and Anatoly Golitsyn) that a change in the communist system was envisaged long before the 1980s. This change was intended as part of a long-term strategy.

Soviet planners foresaw the time when reform of the Soviet system would be required. In a book published in 1984, KGB defector Anatoly Golitsyn wrote about a secret Soviet plan to end Communist Party domination. This, he says, would be a scam. The Communist Party would still exist below the surface. It will simply go underground or break up into various new parties that, according to the scenario, will control the Russian political process. Before the crisis, Kalashnikov noted the dexterity of the Kremlin: “Moscow managed to regroup, recuperate by launching Islamist forces. Thus, they retained Soviet legitimacy. This is extremely important to understand. From a diplomatic point of view, the Russian Federation is the Soviet Union today. He has all the prerequisites, with the Security Council, central structures, etc. And it retains the status of a nuclear superpower. Back in 1991, we were told: “Listen, comrade, this is a defeat for us, But this is a temporary setback.” The Soviet Union never once accepted defeat in the Cold War, not for a minute. There was not even a temporary break in politics from Gorbachev to Yeltsin to Putin. We have reorganized and will be back on track. You probably remember the removal of the monument to Dzerzhinsky in front of the KGB headquarters. Now I will describe the reaction in our ranks, in our residences. When we saw what happened in Moscow, everyone breathed a sigh of relief. We knew that someone had skillfully diverted the crowd in front of our headquarters to this poor monument to Dzerzhinsky, so our premises remained untouched. This was a huge difference from what happened in East Berlin. We immediately realized that the leaders and organizers of this crowd are KGB officers, our agents. The fall of the monument to Dzerzhinsky was organized by the KGB. Ultimately, it was a fake event."

And what was the position of the top leadership of the KGB at that time? “In October 1991, I went to Moscow to meet with General Viktor Ivanenko, who was the head of the KGB security service. He wanted to see me to discuss the situation with the money of the Communist Party and the KGB. Austria, where I worked for the KGB, was at the center of the international business of the Soviet Communist Party. In Austria, we had several controlled banks, and the general directors were KGB officers, that is, in capitalist Austria. The Russian presence in Austria was overwhelming. Talking about my visit to the general Ivanenko, I wanted to say that the top of the KGB did not show any nervousness or bad mood about what happened, but simply restructured their affairs in accordance with the new situation. In Vienna itself, the head of the Communist Party changed his suit and became a capitalist.

The turn to capitalism in Russia was not a fair turn to freedom. The privatization of the Soviet Union meant only the transfer of state property into the hands of the nomenklatura. According to Kalashnikov, “To put it simply, they began the process of transferring national wealth, factories, resources, etc. for nothing, into the hands of the Soviet elite and proxies. In Russia, the nomenklatura took everything for itself. They did not seek to confine themselves to laws, regulations, or institutions of any kind.” This was the formula for managed capitalism in Russia. In this way, Kalashnikov explained, the Russian communists used the “privatization” process to turn themselves into a business class that could make deals with the West.”

paragraphs 4 and 7-10

https://www.financialsense.com/contributors/jr-nyquist/the-new-russian-threat-out-of-the-old-soviet-collapse

Interviews with Soviet dissidents - American channel C-Span 1987:

Ilya Levin: "There is an opinion that glasnost and perestroika were conceived by the KGB specialists ... which is very possible."

23:35

https://youtu.be/GDLqJOa7OMc?t=1413 (https://youtu.be/GDLqJOa7OMc?t=1413)

Soviet defector Mr Anatoliy Golitsyn - The Perestroika Deception, 1995;

“If the Soviets were truly moving towards genuine democracy & intent on a ‘Break with the Past’, they would implement a decommunization program. Without such a program, present changes, however impressive, will remain cosmetic.”

Page 142

https://www.chinhnghia.com/GOLITSYN(Anatoliy)-Perestroika_Deception_(1998).pdf

Hence:
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(Jєω) Putin 2012: "Eurasianism has taken root in Russia for a long time & is acquiring a completely new meaning, with the intensification of integration processes in the POST-SOVIET SPACE. Moreover, from the field of political philosophy it has actually migrated to the political plane, to the AGENDA OF CURRENT WORK."

29th paragraph

https://web.archive.org/web/20120505091131/http://premier.gov.ru/events/news/18763/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20120505091131/http://premier.gov.ru/events/news/18763/)

(https://i.imgur.com/7aD7Jc7.png)

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You seem to believe that all of the information in the above links is true. So they are not capable of lying? That's very interesting - that those news sources that you cite sources are supposedly so honest and accurate - while our Western Media is (as we all know) completely controlled.

Do you see the problem here?

Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: dxcat40 on December 14, 2022, 09:43:05 AM
You seem to believe that all of the information in the above links is true. So they are not capable of lying? That's very interesting - that those news sources that you cite sources are supposedly so honest and accurate - while our Western Media is (as we all know) completely controlled.

Do you see the problem here?
Oh please. Get down from your high horse, Meg. You have the unique inabilities of being incapable of doing your own research and trolling with a barrage of useless questions. It would be great if you had looked into what you are dismissing yourself, but from your past comments I have no reason to believe that to be the case. If you decide to do real research, please let us know.

(Not a blanket endorsement of what's quoted, but pointing out Meg's sealioning troll tactic.)
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: Meg on December 14, 2022, 09:44:45 AM


Lady Meg,

It comes down to what you believe.

1. Do you believe in Novus ordo mass Eucharistic miracles?

2. Do you believe de-sacralized Novus ordo missae consecrations made by improperly ordained priests confect valid Holy Eucharists?

3. Do you think the KGB jєω-boy, Putin from a country continuously controlled by the Jєωs since 1917, is really fighting the NWO or is part of the NWO?

4. Do you think it is probable for Novus ordo Archbishops to have trad-conversions, go into hiding and still be unable to write down the word "Jєω"?
    Or to utter words of truth against their former masters, the Opus Dei?

:popcorn:

You mean it all comes down to our opinions. 
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: Meg on December 14, 2022, 09:48:32 AM
Oh please. Get down from your high horse, Meg. You have the unique inabilities of being incapable of doing your own research and trolling with a barrage of irrelevant questions. It would be great if you had looked into what you are dismissing yourself, but from your past comments I have no reason to believe that to be the case. If you decide to do real research, please let us know.

(Not a blanket endorsement of what's quoted, but pointing out Meg's sealioning troll tactic.)

You didn't actually address what I wrote. How do we know that the information in the links is true? Our Media in the U.S. is completely controlled. I can't really believe any of it.
But you and the new guy believe that Russian and Jєωιѕн sources are not controlled, and that they are always accurate and true, and that if we don't believe that it's all true, then there's something terribly wrong with us. How is that possible?
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: dxcat40 on December 14, 2022, 09:50:31 AM
You didn't actually address what I wrote. How do we know that the information in the links is true? Our Media in the U.S. is completely controlled. I can't really believe any of it.
But you and the new guy believe that Russian and Jєωιѕн sources are not controlled, and that they are always accurate and true. How is that possible?
This is disingenuous because there are sources you do trust to form your opinions, which you post everywhere on the forum. You question the authenticity of contrary sources of information that contradict your preferred worldview. Answer your own question in relation to your own preferred sources. I think we can make a good guess at how you might respond, however.
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: Meg on December 14, 2022, 09:54:32 AM
This is disingenuous because there are sources you do trust to form your opinions, which you post everywhere on the forum. You question the authenticity of contrary sources of information that contradict your preferred worldview. Answer your own question in relation to your own preferred sources. I think we can make a good guess at how you might respond, however.

Why do you believe that the Russian and Jєωιѕн sources that you and your buddy have linked to are always honest and accurate? Or that your interpretation of them is accurate?What sources have I posted everywhere on the forum?
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: dxcat40 on December 14, 2022, 10:17:05 AM
You failed to understand what I wrote before (on purpose?), so there is no need to answer your sealioning questions. Do some real research sometime if you are truly curious.
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: Meg on December 14, 2022, 10:26:22 AM
You failed to understand what I wrote before (on purpose?), so there is no need to answer your sealioning questions. Do some real research sometime if you are truly curious.

I don't know what 'sealioning' means. Is that even an English word?

As far as my sources are concerned, I rely heavily on the Resistance bishops and clergy, which the new forum member, Simon Peter, is trying to discredit. I like the Non Possumus blog (Resistance). There are also two other blogs that I like - Mundabor's blog, and the Eponymous Flower blog, and that's pretty much it. There are no Jєωιѕн or Russian sources that I look to for truth, as you and Simon Peter look to. 
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: dxcat40 on December 14, 2022, 10:43:06 AM
As far as my sources are concerned, I rely heavily on the Resistance bishops and clergy ...
Most people aren't meant to be their own experts. You could state that you hold +Williamson's position and move on, but you can't argue effectively against Golitsyn, etc. It's a different opinion, but it is not a pro-Biden/Democrat opinion. The same end result of global governance is asserted by this different opinion.
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: Meg on December 14, 2022, 10:50:53 AM
Most people aren't meant to be their own experts. You could state that you hold +Williamson's position and move on, but you can't argue effectively against Golitsyn, etc. It's a different opinion, but it is not a pro-Biden/Democrat opinion. The same end result of global governance is asserted by this different opinion.

I agree that we aren't meant to be our own experts, but we all have to rely on some source for our opinions during these difficult times. I believe that my sources are better than yours. My sources at least are Traditional Catholic sources.

Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: dxcat40 on December 14, 2022, 10:58:46 AM
I believe that my sources are better than yours.
First of all, you don't know my sources. Second, you wouldn't even know if they are better, so "believe" is the correct verbage to use here. Finally...

My sources at least are Traditional Catholic sources.
...this isn't a great indicator of truth, even though this argument is just a straw man (I read Catholics too, you silly girl). Put ten trads in a bunker and see how many of them are still alive in six months. It's probable that on just one topic the ten trads have a different opinion, and strongly adhere to it. They might have even multiple opinions, which only amplifies the crisis. It's a near certainty that they would quickly learn to hate one another for their differences in opinion. This is Traditional Catholicism 101.
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: Meg on December 14, 2022, 11:03:16 AM
First of all, you don't know my sources. Second, you wouldn't even know if they are better, so "believe" is the correct verbage to use here. Finally...
...this isn't a great indicator of truth, even though this argument is just a straw man (I read Catholics too, you silly girl). Put ten trads in a bunker and see how many of them are still alive in six months. It's probable that on just one topic the ten trads have a different opinion, and strongly adhere to it. They might have even multiple opinions, which only amplifies the crisis. It's a near certainty that they would quickly learn to hate one another for their differences in opinion. This is Traditional Catholicism 101.

Okay, so what are your sources?

I've told you my sources. Time for you to say what yours are. I assume that they are not the Jєωιѕн and Russian news sources that you have linked to, but rather some other source?

I should mention that the use of your word, "verbage" isn't correct, since "verbage" isn't an English word. The correct word would be "verbiage."

Verbage vs. Verbiage: What’s the Difference? - Writing Explained (https://writingexplained.org/verbage-vs-verbiage-difference)
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: dxcat40 on December 14, 2022, 12:18:00 PM
Time for you to say what yours are.
It's not time for me to do anything. I posted about this before and it didn't help at all. The problem lies elsewhere, but we've touched on it. Thanks for the tip. I'm going to ignore your next post unless it contains something of substance.
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: Meg on December 14, 2022, 12:22:13 PM
It's not time for me to do anything. I posted about this before and it didn't help at all. The problem lies elsewhere, but we've touched on it. Thanks for the tip. I'm going to ignore your next post unless it contains something of substance.

So you've posted about your sources before and it didn't help. What didn't it help? I don't recall seeing anything about your sources. 
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: Ladislaus on December 14, 2022, 03:59:29 PM
You could state that you hold +Williamson's position and move on, but you can't argue effectively against Golitsyn, etc. It's a different opinion, but it is not a pro-Biden/Democrat opinion.

What do you mean "argue against Golitsyn"?  See, this again is where you raise a speculative opinion to the level of fact.  Golitsyn made some assertions.  They're unproven.  We can't prove Golitsyn's allegations.  Some speculate that he may have been acting as a disinfo agent.  I do find it suspicious that Golitsyn lived to the ripe old age of 82.  If he were truly a threat to the plan, he would have been a relatively soft target to eliminate.  Could he simply have made up his allegations or exaggerated them for financial gain or other motives?  Finally, if there was a "Perestroika Deception" plan as he described, is it still on track ... or could it have been derailed or altered, etc.?  We know none of this.  It makes for great speculation, but at the end of the day it amounts to gratuitous assertion and speculation, and it need not be "argued against" ... or otherwise accepted as proven fact.

It is my opinion that a reversion to Sovietism would not currently be possible short of a "fαℓѕє fℓαg" type of event, as the people have tasted just a bit too much freedom for just a bit too long.  We have an entire generation who did not grow up behind the Iron Curtain and who would have to be dragged kicking and screaming on the heels of some manufactured crisis.

I personally hold that the West and Communism were controlled by different groups / factions among "The Controllers", and may have been an experiment to determine which systems enables better and more complete control of the population ... with the Western hedonistic pseudo-demoracies having won hands down (Aldous Huxley's Brave New World vs Orwell's 1984) ... with Huxley coming out on top.  If you look at the WEF rhetoric about the Great Reset and the 4th Industrial Revolution, the vision is eerily similar to that of Huxley.
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: dxcat40 on December 14, 2022, 05:14:53 PM
What do you mean ...
Golitsyn made predictions with a high rate of accuracy. Since you know his story, you should have an idea of why he was allowed to live so long. As far as on track, it definitely is, insofar as the Postwar West has no conception of the organized Marxist conspiracy to destroy it. As we know, the prevailing narrative is that Communism was defeated and the world has moved on, such as described by Fukuyama and his End of History and the Last Man.

As far as opinions, we all have them. Yours isn't the default. In fact, most Americans disagree with you about Russia and see it as a threat (Pewresearch (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/12/13/striking-findings-from-2022/)). Whether or not they agree with Biden and the Democrats is a separate issue. You should stop pretending at neutrality or as if I and others on the forum who disagree with you are uniquely at fault for pushing our ideas on the subject. You have just as strong opinions as the rest of us, and that's ok.

JR Nyquist's analysis, from memory, is that the Soviets temporarily lost control (touching on the success of the strategy) during the democratization, but Trust-like operations brought it back under control after some time. That follows into your next idea...

It is my opinion that a reversion to Sovietism would not currently be possible ...
I believe you are correct, but the model would be China and not Stalin. The Russo-Ukrainian conflict is probably meant in part to teach Americans and Russians to hate. This reflects thinking from the defector literature on the subject of Soviet revivalism. I believe FTX is strong evidence as to the actual goals of Biden and the Democrats, which do not include Ukraine's long-term survival.

I personally hold that the West and Communism were controlled by different groups / factions among "The Controllers", and may have been an experiment to determine which systems enables better and more complete control of the population ...
People tend to forget that the US and USSR were allies until 1945. Someone else posted recently about how all of these entities came together after the war to build the UN and other globalist initiatives in order to bring about global governance. Part of the point of the Perestroika Deception was to work out the differences between East and West in order to bring about Convergence (using Western/Cultural Marxism and other subversions) into the final global governance system. We disagree about the details, but the overall trajectory is the same: global governance.

Kudos for addressing ideas.
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: Incredulous on December 14, 2022, 08:49:12 PM
You mean it all comes down to our opinions.

Meg, You are a traditional Catholic woman.

You believe in proper Sacraments... correct?

You believe priests must be properly ordained to consecrate the Holy Eucharist... correct?

You're old enough to know the Bolshevik Jєωs took over Russia and never gave it up.... correct?

You know Putin was high level communist KGB and that the Fatima conversion of Russia has never taken place... right?

You know how unlikely it is for a Novus ordo Bishop and Opus Dei member to convert and become a trad...correct?

And if the Novus ordo prelate truly converted when he was in hiding, he would spill the beans on the Opus judea... right?

C'mon Meg :popcorn:
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: SeanJohnson on December 14, 2022, 08:55:30 PM
Meg, You are a traditional Catholic woman.

You believe in proper Sacraments... correct?

You believe priests must be properly ordained to consecrate the Holy Eucharist... correct?

You're old enough to know the Bolshevik Jєωs took over Russia and never gave it up.... correct?

You know Putin was high level communist KGB and that the Fatima conversion of Russia has never taken place... right?

You know how unlikely it is for a Novus ordo Bishop and Opus Dei member to convert and become a trad...correct?

And if the Novus ordo prelate truly converted when he was in hiding, he would spill the beans on the Opus judea... right?

C'mon Meg :popcorn:

The three bolded selections are UN demonstrated and unproven.

Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: Incredulous on December 14, 2022, 09:03:02 PM
The three bolded selections are UN demonstrated and unproven.

Sean,

Please tell us when the jews left Russia?

As I understand it, tens of thousands of Russian-jew software developers work in Israel every year.

And give some examples of Novus ordo- Opus Dei Bishop coverts?

I know of one from Paraguay who was murdered by Opus Dei.

Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: SeanJohnson on December 14, 2022, 09:09:22 PM
Sean,

Please tell us when the Jєωs left Russia?

As I understand it, tens of thousands of Russian-Jєω software developers work in Israel every year.

And give some examples of Novus ordo- Opus Dei Bishop coverts?

I know of one from Paraguay who was murdered by Opus Dei.



There has to be a foreseeable ROI (return on investment) to justify the labor.

In this case, I don’t see it.
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: Incredulous on December 14, 2022, 09:16:52 PM
There has to be a foreseeable ROI (return on investment) to justify the labor.

In this case, I don’t see it.
The ROI is your credibility as a trad pundit and American representative of Bp. Williamson's SSPX Resistance.
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: SeanJohnson on December 14, 2022, 09:18:00 PM
The ROI is your credibility as a trad pundit and American representative of Bp. Williamson's SSPX Resistance.

OK.  Great post👍
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: 2Vermont on December 15, 2022, 07:07:36 AM
Still no word from Vigano.  I'm also having trouble finding anything on Stilum Curiae (Marco Tosatti) after August of this year.
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: SeanJohnson on December 15, 2022, 07:09:52 AM
Still no word from Vigano.  I'm also having trouble finding anything on Stilum Curiae (Marco Tosatti) after August of this year.

23 days.  

That might be the longest silence since 2018.
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: Charity on December 15, 2022, 07:37:05 PM
23 days. 

That might be the longest silence since 2018.
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Dec 23, 2020 (https://gloria.tv/post/K6XZuentnuAB4RhfGfz7fgWWz)

Viganò: The Bishops Have Placed Themselves At The Service Of Globalist Oligarchy And Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ
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Archbishop Viganò addresses in his latest statement (LaVerita.info, December 19), the Vatican’s complicity with organisations, ideologies and goals aligned with globalist elites. Viganò's Official translation.
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A Den Of Thieves
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Exsurgat Deus, et dissipentur inimici ejus:
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et fugiant qui oderunt eum a facie ejus.
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Psalm 67
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In the past few days, the latest news is that Bergoglio is dedicating his time to making a television series called Sharing the Wisdom of Time, produced by Netflix, which yesterday published a post on Twitter that summarizes its ideological point of reference: Praise Satan. It goes without saying that this multinational corporation is involved in the spread of immorality and vice, including the sɛҳuąƖ exploitation of minors.
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Similarly, in the past few days the Holy See has signed an agreement with the UN to promote sustainability and gender equality, thereby giving its support to an organization that promotes abortion and contraception.
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On the very day dedicated to the Immaculate Conception – December 8, 2020 – almost like a shameful insult against the Blessed Mother, a new partnership was officially instituted between the Vatican and the “Council for Inclusive Capitalism” promoted by Lynn Forester de Rothschild, a close friend of Hillary Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein, after sending a message of praise to Klaus Schwab, the president of the World Economic Forum and theorist of the Great Reset.
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And in order not to give rise to misunderstandings, after numerous appeals to obey the authorities in the emergency of the psycho-pandemic, it appears that the Covid vaccine will be made obligatory for all the officials and staff of Vatican City, despite the fact that is has been produced with aborted fetal tissue and provides no guarantee of being either effective or harmless.
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I believe it is now understood beyond all reasonable doubt that the leaders of the present Catholic Hierarchy have placed themselves at the service of the globalist Oligarchy and Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ: the idolatrous cult of the pachamama in the Vatican Basilica is now joined by a sacrilegious Nativity scene, whose symbology appears to allude to ancient Egyptian rites as well as aliens. Only a naive person or an accomplice can deny that in this whole chain of events there is a very clear ideological coherence and a lucid diabolical mind.
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But as I have already pointed out, it would be misleading to limit oneself to an evaluation of events within the Church without framing them in the wider political and social context: there is only one direction being given in which both the main protagonists as well as the extras follow the same script. The purpose has now been declared: destroying Nations from within by means of the deep state and the Church of Christ by means of the deep church, in order to establish the kingdom of the Antichrist, with the help of the False Prophet.
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The secret Sino-Vatican agreement, very strongly desired by Bergoglio and renewed a few weeks ago, fits perfectly into this disturbing picture, confirming the pactum sceleris which consigns Chinese Catholics to persecution, dissidents to reeducation, churches to demolition, Sacred Scripture to censorship and adulteration. It is no coincidence that this agreement, which the Popes always refused with disdain, was made possible thanks to the offices of the former Cardinal McCarrick and his accomplices, with the decisive help of the Jesuits: the actors, we know, are always the same. They are both corrupted and corruptors, both blackmailed and blackmailers, all united by their rebellion against doctrine and morals and indiscriminately subservient to anti-Catholic, indeed anti-Christian, powers.
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Communist China constitutes the militant arm of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr, both in the spread of a mutant virus created in a laboratory, as well as in the interference in the American Presidential elections and the enlistment of fifth columns in the service of Beijing regime. It also promotes the apostasy of the leaders of the Church, preventing her from proclaiming the Gospel and placing herself as a defending wall against the attack of the élite. The fact that this brings economic advantages for the Vatican makes the Bergoglian sect’s subservience to this infernal plan even more shameful, creating a significant counterpoint to the business of migrants, which is also part of the intentional dissolution of the society that once was Christian. It is disconcerting that such a scandalous betrayal of the mission of the Catholic Church does not merit firm and courageous condemnation from the Episcopate, which – in the face of evidence of an apostasy pursued with ever greater determination – does not dare to raise its voice out of fear or a false concept of prudence.
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The words of Dr. Arthur Tane, Director of the Council on Middle East Relations, may sound bold and strong, but they have the merit of highlighting without false fears the subversion carried out under this most ominous “pontificate.” It is to be hoped that with the publication of Tane’s letter to Cardinal Parolin there will be some who will finally open their eyes, before the plot of the conspirators is accomplished. In this regard, we agree with commendable denunciation made by Cardinal Burke on the Feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe about the use of COVID for the purposes of the “Great Reset” – a denunciation that joins the one I made last May and have reiterated many times, as well as that of other Pastors who are faithful to the Word of God and solicitous towards their flock.
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The letter of Arthur Tane to the Secretary of State closes with a citation from the Gospel that is more appropriate than ever: “Either the Church understands the significance of its mission, or it itself has become a temple of money changers. For in the words of Jesus: It is written that my house will be called a house of prayer, but you are making it a den of robbers (Mt 21:12-13).”
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As Bishops, we cannot be silent: our silence would constitute an intolerable connivance and complicity with those mercenaries who, abusing a usurped power, deny Christ and consign souls to the Enemy of the human race.
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+Carlo Maria Viganò, Archbishop
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18 December 2020
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Ember Friday of Advent
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Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: 2Vermont on December 15, 2022, 08:24:41 PM
That's 2020
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: Charity on December 15, 2022, 09:02:48 PM
My mistake!  Thanks for catching it.
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: 2Vermont on December 15, 2022, 09:28:14 PM
My mistake!  Thanks for catching it.
No prob..yw
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: SeanJohnson on December 17, 2022, 08:04:01 AM
25 days and counting...
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: Incredulous on December 17, 2022, 08:54:03 AM


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                                  Spotted in DC meeting with the "Christian" jew-boy, prepping for election 2024
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: DecemRationis on December 17, 2022, 09:11:08 AM

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                                  Spotted in DC meeting with the "Christian" Jєω-boy, prepping for election 2024

One doesn't have to agree with you Incred to have this reaction to some of the stuff you post:


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Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: Charity on December 17, 2022, 11:35:10 AM

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                                  Spotted in DC meeting with the "Christian" Jєω-boy, prepping for election 2024


You can't make this up.  At 1:39 we hear the POTUS state: "I'm truly grateful to have the Jєωιѕн faith woven so deeply into my family."  Query as to who exactly he is grateful to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDJP6oeHKBE&t=1s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDJP6oeHKBE&t=1s)
Title: Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
Post by: 2Vermont on December 17, 2022, 12:07:22 PM
That's 2020
Not sure if this is this year.  Interestingly enough the year is left out:

The Remnant Newspaper - NON SERVIAM: A History of Revolutions from Herod to Davos
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E (https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/6289-non-serviam-a-history-of-revolutions-from-herod-to-davos)dit:  Found it on Marco Tossatti (it is 2022):

Archbishop Viganò. Christmas, Christ the King of Nations and the Great Reset. : STILUM CURIAE (marcotosatti.com) (https://www.marcotosatti.com/2022/12/17/archbishop-vigano-christmas-christ-the-king-of-nations-and-the-great-reset/)