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Offline TomGubbinsKimmage

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Re: Get me up to speed on the SSPX, please
« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 01:00:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: WorldsAway on Yesterday at 10:45:07 AM
    The law of prayer is the law of faith, and the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is the perfect expression of the Catholic Faith. You can cope and seethe all you want, but the Mass said by a Catholic priest is just that..his opinion on the Crisis is irrelevant. The neo-SSPX, Resistance, sedevacantist, and independent priests are all dispensers of the Sacraments. That is their job.


    You're forgetting the Orthodox there. And the old Catholics.
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    Re: Get me up to speed on the SSPX, please
    « Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 01:02:19 PM »
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    • It's also worth noting that the SSPX signed on with GREC, on the clandestine 'down low', basically just after +Lefebvre died - and they've been slipping ever since.  I'm saying that only so you don't go in with rose colored shades.  There is much to look out for actually but just know that going in.
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    Re: Get me up to speed on the SSPX, please
    « Reply #17 on: Yesterday at 01:14:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on Yesterday at 01:00:21 PM

    You're forgetting the Orthodox there. And the old Catholics.
    "the Mass said by a Catholic priest is just that"

    Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on Yesterday at 12:58:18 PM

    Protecting your faith is not something you have a choice about it.

    You are obliged to do it. Whether you "feel" it or not.
    I agree. If your faith is so weak that attending a neoSSPX mass would compromise it, stay away! But stop projecting :incense:
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    Re: Get me up to speed on the SSPX, please
    « Reply #18 on: Yesterday at 01:49:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on Yesterday at 10:26:42 AM

    Would that life be so simple that it was only about the Sacraments.
    That and the Mass, that's what I use them for, that's what everyone should use them for. What do you use your priests for?
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    Re: Get me up to speed on the SSPX, please
    « Reply #19 on: Yesterday at 07:47:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: JeanBaptistedeCouetus on Yesterday at 12:07:14 AM
    I completely disagree with your take on Father David Hewko. He is a fantastic priest, and a faithful son of Archbishop Lefebvre who’s fidelity to the Catholic Doctrine, the Faith is something I strive for everyday.
    fr. hewko is working with fr. Raphael, even though fr. Hewko said he was not.  

    fr. Hewko never denounced fr. Marshall Roberts working with OLMC, nor did he ever say a word about fr. Pfeiffer hiding fr. Roberts in AZ under the wing of OLMC.

    Also, did fr. Hewko ever denounce OLMC "friend" "fr" tetherow, or the OLMC association with laicised "fr" cordaro?

    I have serious concerns about Fr. Hewko.
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    Re: Get me up to speed on the SSPX, please
    « Reply #20 on: Yesterday at 07:53:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on Yesterday at 06:36:30 AM
    The guy is looking for the Mass and sacraments, which the SSPX provides. Yes, they are definitely playing with hell fire as you noted, but you go for the Mass and the sacraments to a certainly valid priest - NO priests that were not conditionally ordained by an SSPX bishop are the exception, not the rule - so yes, you do need to watch out for that.   

    But I have never heard heresy or error from the pulpit, their Masses are always done well, and their counseling in confession has always been very good, soundly Catholic.
    Agree with your first paragraph 100%, but beg to differ with the second.

    I have heard heresy and errors from the pulpit at SSPX chapels, and their counseling in confessions has often been flat out un-Catholic and immoral.

    That said, I still attend SSPX because it's the only Mass around me, but I go to mass, leave during the sermon, return until the end of Mass, then immediately exit.
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    Re: Get me up to speed on the SSPX, please
    « Reply #21 on: Yesterday at 07:58:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on Yesterday at 01:49:54 PM
    That and the Mass, that's what I use them for, that's what everyone should use them for. What do you use your priests for?
    The SSPX (20 min drive from the hospital) refused to bring my son extreme unction when he was in ICU for several days.  They told me to call the FSSP (40 min drive from the hospital), who told me to call the local NO church (15 min drive from the hospital).  I was desperate and wanted all possible opportunity for my son.  The NO priest was there within the hour. 

    Blew me away...
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    Re: Get me up to speed on the SSPX, please
    « Reply #22 on: Yesterday at 08:23:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: SimonJude on Yesterday at 07:53:30 PM
    Agree with your first paragraph 100%, but beg to differ with the second.

    I have heard heresy and errors from the pulpit at SSPX chapels, and their counseling in confessions has often been flat out un-Catholic and immoral.

    That said, I still attend SSPX because it's the only Mass around me, but I go to mass, leave during the sermon, return until the end of Mass, then immediately exit.
    What heresies did you hear?
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    Re: Get me up to speed on the SSPX, please
    « Reply #23 on: Today at 03:25:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: WorldsAway on Yesterday at 08:23:27 PM
    What heresies did you hear?
    What is concerning is the lack of condemnation of heresies and errors of Vatican II and the New Mass from the pulpit, they recognize the new code of canon law, a completely new attitude towards Rome etc, etc. Sean Johnson made an excellent book docuмenting over 100+ compromises and concessions,  pick any one from the list, which is sufficient to not attend a NeoSSPX mass.

    Father Chazal once answered a question to someone who said “Why aren’t more people leaving the NewSSPX” to which Father Chazal answered “They are waiting for the altar girls…and when they come they will wait until their is a gαy priest [to leave]”

    This is how people fell for Vatican II and the New Mass, then there kids, and a whole generation lost the faith.

    I just spoke to a cradle NeoSSPX young man today who had never heard of Father Fahey, or read any of the writings of +Archbishop Lefebvre that were not contained in the newer released biography from Angelus Press.

    He never even read the 2012 Doctrinal Declaration.
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    Re: Get me up to speed on the SSPX, please
    « Reply #24 on: Today at 03:34:34 AM »
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    • Quote from: WorldsAway on Yesterday at 08:23:27 PM
    What heresies did you hear?
    Vatican II was the French Revolution within the Church. Bishop Fellay’s 2012 agreement was the French Revolution within the SSPX, far worse than the Civil Oath.


    “At length We beseech you all, beloved Catholic children, in the kingdom of France; as you recall the religion and faith of your fathers, We urge you lovingly not to abandon it. For it is the one true religion which both confers eternal life and makes safe and thriving civil societies. Carefully beware of lending your ears to the treacherous speech of the philosophy of this age which leads to death. Keep away from all intruders, whether called archbishops, bishops, or parish priests; do not hold communion with them especially in divine worship. Listen carefully to the message of your lawful pastors who are still living, and who will be put in charge of you later, according to the canons. Finally, in one word, stay close to Us. For no one can be in the Church of Christ without being in unity with its visible head and founded on the See of Peter.”


    “…The enemies of religion then realized correctly that their vicious plans would come to nothing unless they persuaded some bishop, either by appealing to his ambition or his stupidity, to take the oath to observe the Constitution and to undertake sacrilegious consecrations and so, to initiate a schism. Among those who have been overcome by this wicked deceit the first was Charles bishop of Autun, the greatest enthusiast for the Constitution; second was Jean-Joseph bishop of Lidda; third was Louis bishop of Orleans; fourth, Charles bishop of Viviers; fifth, Cardinal de Lomenie, Archbishop of Sens; and a few wretched pastors of lower rank…”
    “…The bishop of Rennes indeed, of his own accord, had given him similar warning when he refused him the confirmation which he was insistently asking for.
    Therefore, instead of accepting him as their pastor, the people should reject him with abhorrence as an intruder. For he has failed to profess the truth which he must acknowledge; he has begun to put his so-called pastoral duty to bad uses…” 


    -Pope Pius VI, Charitas
    In the Civil Oath in France, 1791.


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    Re: Get me up to speed on the SSPX, please
    « Reply #25 on: Today at 04:38:13 AM »
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    • Quote from: JeanBaptistedeCouetus on Today at 03:25:16 AM
    What is concerning is the lack of condemnation of heresies and errors of Vatican II and the New Mass from the pulpit, they recognize the new code of canon law, a completely new attitude towards Rome etc, etc. Sean Johnson made an excellent book docuмenting over 100+ compromises and concessions,  pick any one from the list, which is sufficient to not attend a NeoSSPX mass.

    Father Chazal once answered a question to someone who said “Why aren’t more people leaving the NewSSPX” to which Father Chazal answered “They are waiting for the altar girls…and when they come they will wait until their is a gαy priest [to leave]”

    This is how people fell for Vatican II and the New Mass, then there kids, and a whole generation lost the faith.

    I just spoke to a cradle NeoSSPX young man today who had never heard of Father Fahey, or read any of the writings of +Archbishop Lefebvre that were not contained in the newer released biography from Angelus Press.

    He never even read the 2012 Doctrinal Declaration.


    Shocking but not really.


    The SSPX is a total cult people.

    Avoid at all costs.

    Receiving Communion there or worse, donating is unacceptable.

    What communion do we have with these people? They want to go under modernist Rome! They are already under them! They don't care about conditional ordinations or confirmation. I mean just look above where they told someone to go to the FSSP! Potentionally invalid Sacraments! They don't care!


    Why would you go to an SSPX Mass? It's purely for aestethics so you don't feel you're "missing Mass"

    I mean have you never heard of a home altar and the rosary! Goodness if you cant even manage that then maybe go to the Church when the Mass is not on. but not the Mass.


    What is wrong with people in tradition.


    NONE of you are ready for martyrdom with this attitude.
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