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Offline The Penny Catechism

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« Reply #45 on: June 16, 2014, 12:37:42 AM »
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  • Forget to add (from last post) some other considerations:

    Daily Meditation Subjects       
    1. A body to mortify             
    2. Angel and Saints to invoke             
    3. A soul to save          
    4. Death perhaps to suffer         
    5. Devils to combat            
    6. Eternity to prepare for            
    7. God to glorify               
    8. Heaven to gain                     
    9. Hell to avoid               
    10. Jesus to imitate
    11. Judgment to undergo            
    12. Neighbors to edify               
    13. Passions to subdue            
    14. Sins to expiate               
    15. Time to profit by                
    16. Virtues to acquire               
    17. World to despise                     

    9 Ways to being accessory to another's sin = 1.Command/ 2.concealment/ 3.Consent/ 4.Counsel/ 5.Defense of the ill-done/ 6.Partaking/ 7. Praise or flattery/ 8. Provocation/ 9.Silence

    Seven Deadly Sins/ Moral Virtues = 1.Anger/ Meekness; 2.Covetousness/Liberality; 3.Envy/Brotherly Love; 4.Gluttony/ Temperance; 5. Lust/ Chastity; 6. Pride/ Humility; 7. Sloth/ Diligence;

    Sins Against the Holy Ghost = 1.Despair; 2.Envy of another's spiritual good; 3.Final Impenitence; 4.Impugning the known truth; 5.Obstinancy in sin; 6. Presumption upon God's mercy;     
    Eight Beatitudes: 1. Blessed are the poor in spirit; for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven. 2. Blessed are the meek; for they shall possess the land; 3.Blessed are they that mourn; for they shall be comforted; 4.Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after justice; for they shall be filled; 5. Blessed are the merciful; for they shall obtain mercy; 6.Blessed are the clean of heart; for they shall see God; 7. Blessed are the peacemakers; for they shall be called the children of God; 8. Blessed are they that suffer persecution for justice' sake; for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven

    Three Eminently Good Works: 1.Prayer; 2.Fasting; 3.Almsgiving

    4 Cardinal Virtues/ 3 Theological Virtues : 1.Fortitude; 2.Justice; 3.Prudence; 4. Temperance; 5. Faith/Hope/Charity

    Corporal Works of Mercy/ Spiritual Works of Mercy: 1.)Feed the Hungry; 2.)Give Drink to the thirsty; 3.)Clothe the Nake; 4.)Shelter the needy; 5.)Visit the Sick; 6.)visit the imprisoned; 7.)bury the dead; ... 1.)Counsel the doubtful; 2.)Instruct the ignorant; 3.)Admonish the sinner; 4.)Comfort the afflicted; 5.)Forgive offences; 6.)Bear patiently the troublesome; 7.)pray for the living and the dead;

    Sins crying to heaven for vengence:[/b] 1.)willful murder; 2.)ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity; 3.)oppression of the poor; 4.)defrauding laborers of their wages;

    12 Fruits of the Holy Spirit: 1.)Benignity; 2.)Charity; 3.)Chastity; 4.)Continence; 5.)Fidelity; 6.)Goodness; 7.)Joy; 8.)Longanimity; 9.)Modesty; 10.)Mildness; 11.)Patience; 12.)Peace;

    7 Gifts of the Holy Ghost: 1.)counsel; 2.)Fear of the Lord; 3.)Fortitude; 4.)Knowedge; 5.)Piety; 6.)Understanding; 7.) Wisdom


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    « Reply #46 on: June 16, 2014, 01:37:06 AM »
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  • The Spiritual Life: A Treatise on Ascetical and Mystical Theology: Tanquerey
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    On the True notion of Perfection: "All our actions then must be referred to God- to know, love and serve Him and thereby glorify Him, this is the end of life, the source of all perfection pg. 157


    On Confession
    St. Thomas Aquinas: Commentary on the Gospel of John
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    "John 20:23: Whose sins you will forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you will retain, they are retained." "We should say, as we already did, that in the sacraments the priest acts as a minister: this is how one should regard us, as servants of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God (1 Cor 4:1). Thus, in the same way that God forgives and retains sins, so also does the priest. Now God forgives sins by giving grace, and he is said to retain by not giving grace because of some obstacle in the one who is to receive it. So also the minister forgives sins, insofar as he dispenses a sacrament of the Church, and he retains insofar as he accounts someone unworthy to receive the Sacrament, pg. 472, 478


    A Handbook of Moral Theology Volume 2: Arthur Preuss, Anton Koch
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    Requisites of Worthy Reception - Contrition: The Council of Trent defines contrition as a "sorrow of the soul and a detestation for sin committed, with the purpose of not sinning for the future." Hence contrition is essentially an act of the will, by which man renounces sin and determines to avoid it in future. The act of renunciation is called contrition in the strict sense, while the determination to avoid future sins is termed purpose of amendment. Being an interior sorrow of the soul, contrition differs from that purely intellectual regret which consists in a mere perception of the damnableness of sin, and also from the so-called terror conscientiae, i.e., the fear with which conscience is smitten upon being convinced of iniquity. Both these emotions may be present without a spark of genuine contrition. The moral value of contrition, as a turning away from sin and a turning to God, consists in its being an act of the will, and consequently it need not be accompanied by sensible pain or grief, nor manifest itself by sighs and tears.
    Perfect Contrition: is inspired by charity, i.e., a perfect love of God as the supreme good for His own sake. Imperfect contrition, now technically called attrition, is sorrow inspired by some other supernatural motive, e.g, fear of eternal punishment, repugnance to sin as an offense against Almighty God, regret at having lost divine grace and forfeited heaven, etc. As can be easily seen, the distinction between perfect and imperfect contrition is not based upon the degree of sorrow a man has for his sins, but upon the motives by which that sorrow is inspired; this distinction is specific rather than generic. Perfect Contrition, coupled with a desire to receive the Sacrament of Penance, is sufficient to effect the forgiveness of sins not merely in cases of necessity, or when it reaches the highest possible degree of intensity, buto f itself and always. Imperfect contrition, on the other hand, can produce this effect only in connection with sacramental confession....(abbreviated) pg. 143



    For people who confess the same sins over and over again: The Recidivist


    Handbook of Moral Theology: Prummer
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    The Recidivist: In the strict and formal meaning of the term, a recidivist is one who after repeated confession (on three or four occasions) frequently falls into the same sin with the result that there exists just reasons for doubting the good will of the penitent...that after repeated confession the penitent commits the same sin in similar circuмstances of time and place, so that one may prudently infer the continuance of an evil will in the penitent (cf. c. 2208/1). Absolution: in normal circuмstances the recidivist cannot be absolved unless he show special signs of sincerity such as to destroy the presumption against him of lack of suitable dispositions...The reason for the above rule is that the penitent's frequent relapses into the same sin with no sign of amendment create a strong presumption that he lack sincere attrition and firm purpose of amendment...(abbreviated)pg. 330


    Fr. Ripperger on the "Recidivist" audio
    Here

    *on his website; he does asks for a donation of a dollar or to offer up a decade of the Rosary for each downloaded audio file
    Fr. Ripperger's audio file website


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    « Reply #47 on: June 16, 2014, 05:37:44 AM »
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  • PerEvangelicaDicta,

    My last post wasn't good in phrasing a (workable) definition of perfect contrition in the way I intended. I'll use different angles from different Theologians to really try to break it down into concrete parts. Make it shorter, but more applicable to living in today's world of 2014; but in step wise fashion... Back to the drawing board (I may send you a PM instead) and or create a new thread...

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    « Reply #48 on: June 16, 2014, 12:39:44 PM »
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    I can't believe the Conciliarist heresy is being advocated on CathInfo…


    It's only Conciliarism if you think that the V2 Popes are the popes.

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    « Reply #49 on: June 16, 2014, 12:43:00 PM »
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  • IF the entire body of Traditional Catholics would be able to get together and unanimously agree that the Holy See is vacant and could elect a Pope by way of an Imperfect Council, then I see nothing wrong with it.  Problem is that typically it's the Pope who is the center of unity in the Church and no such consensus is likely without direct intervention from God.  Even if everyone were to agree that Francis (for example) is not the pope, the sedeprivationists would not agree that we would have the right to elect a new pope, etc.

    It'll take God's intervention, not just some ranting on CathInfo, to resolve this crisis.  Otherwise, five people will get together and elect someone like Bawden to the "Holy See".


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    « Reply #50 on: June 16, 2014, 02:03:12 PM »
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  • TPC,  you and a few others have detected my struggle with the big picture and have been patiently replying to my pained questions.  God bless you for that, for He hears my pleas each day to not be confounded and thus be separated from Him.

    A new thread would be beneficial, don't you think?  That is, to draw specific attention to this most critical issue that you brilliantly described as a state in which we cannot attain holiness if we were to follow the direction of these unholy men.

    I will finish reading and digesting your comments, and those of Ladislaus.  Thank you all.

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    « Reply #51 on: June 16, 2014, 04:21:38 PM »
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  • Quote from: soulguard
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    CentroAmerica, the heterodox things the Romans are doing does not give us the right to do something that traditional teaching clearly shows is not in our power to do.

    If we really wish to rebuild Christendom and the Church, our actions must be informed by Catholic principles.


    And do those principles tell you to be in obedience to non-Catholic freemasons who usurped the hierarchy?

    How will the hierarchy be purged if their power is near absolute? They have the power to make any man a bishop if he suit their agenda, and yet you would obey such a bishop and hierarchy and pope. You know that the hierarchy is full of freemasons and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs who do satanic rituals in the vatican, and yet you think they have a right to rule over you.

    I am sure canon law has a solution to this problem.
    The situation is not as simple as put up or shut up. Or pray pay and obey.

    This is a war situation, but we have our heads in the sand.

    Even if we break the rules, so what? Is that not necessary to save the church?
    These rules cannot be enforced legally when they defeat their origional purpose.

    This thread is on the most difficult topic of the 21st Century and the above quotes indicate as much.  Our problem is that hearts have grown too cold, not that heads are too hot.  We require heads so hot they will start to warm our hearts, i.e., we need actually and really to reject rationalism and be Catholics again.  We are perishing from cool heads and frozen hearts.

    We need intellects hot enough to start functioning so that we begin to see the forest for the trees.  We need some normal Catholic imagination.  Then there would at last be mention of the elephant in the living room, namely, the Apocalypse.

    Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

    If this isn't the Apocalypse, then what might be?  We keep repeating that things will remain normal until the End of Time.  Well, perhaps it is therefore time to smell the roses, so to speak.  This is the long-awaited End of Time, and welcome to it!

    Our fatal flaw is our rationalism.  We have only childish simplistic notions of our Catholic religion and expect the Apocalypse to be some variety of cartoon or cheap fundamentalist soap opera.  (Fundamentalist and secularist modernism are both of them rationalist and cold to the max.)

    Basically the Apocalypse began in 1914 (or 1917) and has been getting worse ever since.  Popes St. Pius X and Pius XII said repeatedly in public that the Apocalypse was beginning.  All through our history the Apocalypse was expected to begin in the 20th Century.  If we are not simple-minded rationalists we should see that the 20th Century was the outbreak of the Apocalypse, so to speak, on steroids.  The recent global show-down around Syria (i.e., around the Holy Land) was the perfect fulfillment to a tee of the prophecies on the Battle of Armageddon.   To expect some different climactic Last Days is to expect some childish rationalist materialist literalism that has never existed and never will.  Roman Catholicism is not like that, never has been and never will be.  That was John Calvin's materialist rationalist Fideist religion, but it is not a Catholic's religion.

    Catholics are not Fideists.  We are expected to have brains and hearts and to use them!  And that means to have imaginations as well such that we can see easily and clearly that we are living the Last Days of Planet Earth and it is, so to speak, well past time for us to smell the coffee and get a move on.  This is not merely war.  This is Holy War!  And there can be no mere renewal of the Church.  There is the Second Coming of the Lord and the resurrection of Holy Mother Church from the dead.

    Catholics are required by faith to believe in the Whole Christ, and that includes the Parousia.  As Roman Catholics we are required to really and truly believe in the Parousia as something absolutely real (not something cartoonish, but as the real and historic End of History) and as something to be vividly expected by all the faithful.  The Parousia is not and never has been any marginal luxury that Catholics sort of believe in with a wink and a nod.  As Roman Catholics we believe in the Parousia of Our Lord Jesus Christ.  Totally and without reservations.

    Catholicism has never ever taught for even one moment that at the End of Time the Papacy might not cease.  The Papacy is not merely suffering another temporary vacancy.  The Papacy has been violently obliterated from the face of the earth by the evil powers and principalities of this world (aka the Allied Powers).  The Soviet K.G.B. and the American C.I.A. have quite literally murdered and usurped our Papacy.  And this has happened because we are living in the Last Days of this dark and fallen world.  "The End" is not nigh, it is here right in our faces.

    We need to become so hot-headed and warm-hearted that we stop being rationalists and start to pray and study as Catholics and clearly see the reality now all around us.  In truth Our Lord is not far to seek.  We need but to open our timid rationalist eyes and we will see Him.  

    This our 21st Century is the Parousia of the Lord.  

    We should not expect another Pope or an earthly Restoration.  We should expect with all our minds and all our hearts the Coming of Our Lord Jesus Christ and trailing behind Him with clouds of glory!  Again, this is not the time for reforms or wars.  This is the time for the Holy War that brings such utter destruction to this world that many Catholics will live to see a New Heaven and a New Earth descend and the long-prophesied millennial Kingdom of God on earth.

    That is our own time, and nothing less than that.









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    « Reply #52 on: June 16, 2014, 04:35:12 PM »
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  • Quote from: Franciscan Solitary

    This thread is on the most difficult topic of the 21st Century and the above quotes indicate as much.  Our problem is that hearts have grown too cold, not that heads are too hot.  We require heads so hot they will start to warm our hearts, i.e., we need actually and really to reject rationalism and be Catholics again.  We are perishing from cool heads and frozen hearts.

    We need intellects hot enough to start functioning so that we begin to see the forest for the trees.  We need some normal Catholic imagination.  Then there would at last be mention of the elephant in the living room, namely, the Apocalypse.

    Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

    If this isn't the Apocalypse, then what might be?  We keep repeating that things will remain normal until the End of Time.  Well, perhaps it is therefore time to smell the roses, so to speak.  This is the long-awaited End of Time, and welcome to it!

    Our fatal flaw is our rationalism.  We have only childish simplistic notions of our Catholic religion and expect the Apocalypse to be some variety of cartoon or cheap fundamentalist soap opera.  (Fundamentalist and secularist modernism are both of them rationalist and cold to the max.)

    Basically the Apocalypse began in 1914 (or 1917) and has been getting worse ever since.  Popes St. Pius X and Pius XII said repeatedly in public that the Apocalypse was beginning.  All through our history the Apocalypse was expected to begin in the 20th Century.  If we are not simple-minded rationalists we should see that the 20th Century was the outbreak of the Apocalypse, so to speak, on steroids.  The recent global show-down around Syria (i.e., around the Holy Land) was the perfect fulfillment to a tee of the prophecies on the Battle of Armageddon.   To expect some different climactic Last Days is to expect some childish rationalist materialist literalism that has never existed and never will.  Roman Catholicism is not like that, never has been and never will be.  That was John Calvin's materialist rationalist Fideist religion, but it is not a Catholic's religion.

    Catholics are not Fideists.  We are expected to have brains and hearts and to use them!  And that means to have imaginations as well such that we can see easily and clearly that we are living the Last Days of Planet Earth and it is, so to speak, well past time for us to smell the coffee and get a move on.  This is not merely war.  This is Holy War!  And there can be no mere renewal of the Church.  There is the Second Coming of the Lord and the resurrection of Holy Mother Church from the dead.

    Catholics are required by faith to believe in the Whole Christ, and that includes the Parousia.  As Roman Catholics we are required to really and truly believe in the Parousia as something absolutely real (not something cartoonish, but as the real and historic End of History) and as something to be vividly expected by all the faithful.  The Parousia is not and never has been any marginal luxury that Catholics sort of believe in with a wink and a nod.  As Roman Catholics we believe in the Parousia of Our Lord Jesus Christ.  Totally and without reservations.

    Catholicism has never ever taught for even one moment that at the End of Time the Papacy might not cease.  The Papacy is not merely suffering another temporary vacancy.  The Papacy has been violently obliterated from the face of the earth by the evil powers and principalities of this world (aka the Allied Powers).  The Soviet K.G.B. and the American C.I.A. have quite literally murdered and usurped our Papacy.  And this has happened because we are living in the Last Days of this dark and fallen world.  "The End" is not nigh, it is here right in our faces.

    We need to become so hot-headed and warm-hearted that we stop being rationalists and start to pray and study as Catholics and clearly see the reality now all around us. In truth Our Lord is not far to seek.  We need but to open our timid rationalist eyes and we will see Him.

    This our 21st Century is the Parousia of the Lord.  

    We should not expect another Pope or an earthly Restoration.  We should expect with all our minds and all our hearts the Coming of Our Lord Jesus Christ and trailing behind Him with clouds of glory!  Again, this is not the time for reforms or wars.  This is the time for the Holy War that brings such utter destruction to this world that many Catholics will live to see a New Heaven and a New Earth descend and the long-prophesied millennial Kingdom of God on earth.

    That is our own time, and nothing less than that.




    Excellent, as always, Sir Franciscan Solitary. Spoken as a true Catholic.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.