Author Topic: Francis, your pope (Read 13938 times)

Centroamerica · « **on:** April 02, 2014, 09:31:32 AM »

We already know about the building mountains of evidence which suggests that Bergoglio is not a valid pope and never was, but whatabout those of you who accept Francis as the legitimate pontiff? What are you reasons? Why do you believe Bergoglio is the pope?

soulguard · « **Reply #1 on:** April 02, 2014, 11:48:39 AM »

1 To have communion with other Catholics outside the sedevacantists
2 To fulfill a necessary condition for my own salvation
3 Because the church has not officially condemned him yet
4 Because I dont have the authority to decide who is pope and who is not

BTNYC · « **Reply #2 on:** April 02, 2014, 11:52:09 AM »

Quote from: soulguard

1 To have communion with other Catholics outside the sedevacantists
2 To fulfill a necessary condition for my own salvation
3 Because the church has not officially condemned him yet
4 Because I dont have the authority to decide who is pope and who is not

Very well put, SG. A solidly Catholic answer.

My reasons are the same.

Clemens Maria · « **Reply #3 on:** April 02, 2014, 12:02:53 PM »

Quote from: soulguard

1 To have communion with other Catholics outside the sedevacantists
2 To fulfill a necessary condition for my own salvation
3 Because the church has not officially condemned him yet
4 Because I dont have the authority to decide who is pope and who is not

1. Generally, the R&R folks refuse communion with sedevacantist Catholics. So I think no matter what you decide on the status of Jorge Bergoglio's claim to the papacy you are certain to not be in communion with at least some faithful Catholics.

2. It is true that you must accept a true Pope but it is also true that you must reject false popes. But if with a clear conscience you are mistaken one way or the other you will not be damned for that alone.

3. Canon 188.4: “Through tacit resignation, accepted by the law itself, all offices become vacant ipso facto and without any declaration if a cleric: ...n.4. Has publicly forsaken the Catholic Faith.”

4. Dozens of Catholic bishops and hundreds and maybe thousands of priests have already publicly declared that Jorge Bergoglio's claim to the papacy is invalid.

soulguard · « **Reply #4 on:** April 02, 2014, 12:15:16 PM »

@Clemens Maria

I am convinced that Pope Francis will be remembered as an antipope, but until the judgement of a future truly Catholic pope declares him to be such, all I can do is go with the flow. I made up my mind to just say that Francis was the pope whenever asked because I started going to the SSPX and I wanted to fit in with the other Catholics there. The alternative was to stay at home or go anyway but not talk about the papacy and pretend to be in communion with the priest who prays for Francis.