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  • Preamble:  I am taking the time to evaluate a life of three years in Boston, Ky in order to expose the dangers that lurk in that compound.  All that I write can be verified by seminarians who departed ways with Fr. Pfeiffer.  This exposition is meant to correct and help perfect what is going on in that site.  A saintly priest and confessor of mine, Fr. Thomas D' Amato used to repeat: "Father, there is no perfection without correction."  Fraternal Correction is an act of charity and so I will write.  There are five parts to this exposition:  1) Order vs. Disorder;  2) Self-centeredness vs. Christ-centeredness; 3) Heart's expression in Criticism of others but not of self; 4) Illegitimate effort vs. true resistance; 5) Heresy, lay investiture, Protestantism in effect.  On to the first topic.

    1. Order vs Disorder
    Order is the first sign of a celestial imitation.  In heaven we will find perfect order and so in a seminary the entire effort must be to place such an order in the work that the seminarian can focus upon the work and word of God.  Without any backing, without any novena of prayer and without a bishop to sanction the project, Father opened a seminary (?) with a would be cook, a musician, a recent high school graduate and an elderly gentleman.  From the beginning there was a lack of professors so the high school graduate became the Latin professor though he possessed possibly 4 years of study himself.  The two fathers would go out each weekend and sometimes be missing for a week at a time in Asia and around the world.  When one returned then classes took place.  In the meantime, mass could be missed; prayer life suffered; but the men carried on in spite of the disorder.  

    One seminarian took sick and could not seem to get better.  Age, sickness and other circumstances argued that the man had no vocation to the priesthood so Father decided he should be a brother. Next disorder:  hold onto the numbers and follow the pattern of preparation that exists in Winona. It seemed that the structure was modeled on SSPX for the reception of the cassock, the outings, and the scheduling but it was a very loose match.  Fr. Hewko arranged hikes but this was not a good group for that type of outing only one had the stamina necessary so Father took a supplement of Father Pfeiffer's nephews.  

    My point:  Father Pfeiffer bit off more than he could chew and kept wanting more and more.  Instead of a prudent evaluation of the place, the personnel, and the lack of legitimacy he plowed on getting deeper and deeper in the mud of activity.  The more he was out; the more difficult the program became.  I could only think and express my view when I visited during weekends or during school breaks.  I cannot remember Father calling even one meeting to iron out problems or to coordinate with Fr. Hewko.  

    In fact Fr. Hewko never really knew when he would be teaching or where he would be going for the next weekend.  I could not believe my eyes at what went on there for the preparation of seminarians in that first year.  

    When the second year came around, the manner in which you begin determines the way you will end.  Again I pleaded for a meeting to organize.  Fr. Hewko agreed that much had to be changed.  We now had a good number of men entering the seminary and they had promise.  The problems were never ironed out and the seminary went on.  Conflicts began to take place with Bishop Williamson because Fr. Pfeiffer always knew better.  This conflict could have been resolved with an increase of humility but with all his important travels and his desire to open more and more mass sites power began to go to this priest's head.  Power corrupts and with no leader but himself, Fr. Pfeiffer could do whatever came into his head.

    Seminarians should work all night in preparation for whatever great event was on hand.  No matter if they could not get up the next morning for meditation and mass.  Priority number one is to please Fr. Pfeiffer.  These young men did their best but most were incompetent workers. The fact is that whim determined everything that happened in their seminary life and in the end the disorder and the conflict with the "boss" caused each one to speak with Father and then to depart from him.

    Correction of the situation:  First, there should be no seminary unless it has a bishop who erects it and directs it through a seminary director who should remain at the site. Second, the schedule of the seminary needs to be worked out clearly so that the courses are consistent and the prayer life regular.  Third, no layman should be placed in charge of the seminarians only a priest.


    2. Boston, Kentucky evaluation:  Christ centered vs. Self centered.
    Fr. Libietis made an astute observation concerning the project that Fr. Pfeiffer began when he stated that all those in the Church who resisted the world's call went into seclusion and prayed for the guidance of the Holy Ghost.  These men were truly Christ centered and their missions flourished because they dealt with their personal sanctity first before they sought to help their fellowman.  

    Boston, Ky did not have the same beginning. When I arrived in Boston, Ky I was alone and I worked daily with Mr. Jack Pfeiffer to clean up and repair one thing at a time.  It was months before Fr. Pfeiffer came and then Fr. Hewko followed later.  The priests' house was painted, floor repaired, new refrigerator installed.  All was put in order and closets were cleaned of dead priests possessions.  When the other fathers arrived they had places for their lodging.  Work proceeded but the talk of a seminary was only in the mind of Fr. Pfeiffer but no novena took place, no discernment of the spirit came into discussion.  In fact, the whim was the philosophy of the leader.  "If it's worth doing; it is worth doing badly."  This quote of Fr. Pfeiffer is the foundation stone of all that took place.

    Reality began to set in when I saw that Fr. Pfeiffer would easily excuse himself from the prescribed times for prayer.  His hectic schedule, his constant concern for phone calls, and his personal life style were things that I had never seen before in my religious life.  Unless he takes the time to put prayer and meditation as priority number one he will continue in his self-centered approach to everything.  The order is backward.  As Christians we must focus our efforts upon the glory of God and the salvation of souls.  His focus has been on showing off his intelligence and his ability to critique.  

    Consider that every evening there is the grand silence which ought to exist in every seminary. In Boston I lived above Father's living room and had to invest in some ear plugs due to talking that went on to all hours of the night.  When I woke in the morning to head to the chapel I would find Father lying on the couch dressed in the same white cassock he had been wearing for days.  I couldn't help but think that if he would go to his private room and put some order into his living schedule he would be better off and would serve others in a more orderly and Christ-like manner.  

    In a truly Catholic seminary the priority must focus on the knowledge and love of the Most Holy Eucharist as noted in The Soul of the Apostolate. Since the superior informs the inferior our seminary leader (Fr. Pfeiffer) must learn to be the example at prayer and limit himself to formation of these young men rather than travel throughout the states seeking to do as many centers as possible.


    3. The Critical Tongue vs. the Tongue of an Advocate.
    At the center of the life in Kentucky was the daily criticism of any and all priests or bishops that did not listen to the wisdom of the "soul" of the resistance (Fr. Pfeiffer).  Pride goes before every fall and pride manifests itself in the speech of the person.  How often I have found this truth born out: "Small minds speak of people, mediocre minds of things and events, but great minds speak of ideals."

    The focus was upon Bishop Fellay, at first, and no doubt his 180 degree turn from the principles of the good Archbishop was a singular sore spot for all of us.  Our desire was to preserve the tradition of the Archbishop and to reinforce this love among those who would come to and embrace the resistance to this betrayal.

    When a new member (pablo the M_exican) came into Boston, this focus began to change little by little.  Criticism of the Traditional "sissies" became a daily affair.  Neither Father Pfeiffer or Hewko would correct this divisive talk from Pablo.  When this person entered into a full time occupation of the priests' home, I complained to Fr. Pfeiffer but my point that the priests' house is for priests and that this layman was out of place there.  It was useless to waste my breath.  I would come to learn that Pablo could do no wrong.

    Now the poison of this man's tongue has set Fr. Pfeiffer against priests and bishops and effectively has driven a wedge in the resistance community.  In fact, the words of Quo Primum have been wiped out recently by Fr. Pfeiffer who believes that every resistant parish or place of worship is his private domain and only he can determine who can offer the mass there for the souls.  This in turn means that a chapel may have the holy mass once every two or three months. This is contrary to the very notion of Catholic. There are other good priests who are working to preserve the faith but in Fr. Pfeiffer's world they must pass his test of their "doctrine'”. Who ever heard of such a thing?

    Besides that the good Bishop Williamson is critiqued on everything without a semblance of Christian charity which urges us to "say only the good things men need to hear and all else is from the evil one."  Boston does not want to expose its dirty laundry to the world but it can critique the every speck of dust in the other man's eye while the log in their own eye is neglected. Its desired transparency is a ruse. Its openness to others was short lived and now the cult of the leader begins to be felt by the world of the resistance. If only humility could reign in the "boss", then most of the problems would be solved by simply communicating with the bishops and following their advice.

    This has not happened and so Bishop Williamson is correct desiring a leaderless resistance. Authority which ought to come from God to the Pope then to the bishops does not exist any longer. We all must adapt in a manner which seeks sacrificial love as its criterion for work and word.  Hence it behooves us to cooperate with the bishops and thank God for their presence.  We welcome our newly consecrated Bishop Don Thomas Aquinas and submit to his guidance.  We should shut down all rude and de-moralizing sites which only destroy the faith.  Only in this way can we continue to trust each other to do the Will of God in these confusing times.


    4. Is the Layman the "boss"?
    The superior informs the inferiors as the good Archbishop taught but few understand and practice this principle.  Seminarians need a holy priest to keep the goal of their lives before them.  They do not need a layman who abuses, complains about them, ridicules and berates them.  They do not need a non-practicing baptized Catholic generating hatred in the atmosphere of the seminary.  

    As Jack Pfeiffer said to me:  "My son and Pablo are joined at the hip.  If I send Pablo away I am sure that I will lose my son."  Well, the reality is that Mr. Pfeiffer has already lost his son to the "boss".  Lay investiture is something that is an error but in the case of Pablo it is a sickness in the "boss".  He will not and can not correct the abusive nature of the layman.

    It is due to the machinations of this layman that I personally had to leave the Boston, Ky site because hatred and sin not checked by the superior do not make for an healthy environment. I have already shared an open letter
    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Open-Letter-from-Fr-Voigt-about-Boston-KY-mess
    describing how I was asked to work with the seminarians while the two Fathers went to the Philippines. The insulting behavior of the layman and his acts to undermine my priestly authority were neither corrected by Father Pfeiffer nor was there any apology for his conduct.  

    Daily the layman takes over more and more territory.  He has brought into the mix a family without the father. The father of this family wants his children and wife back but Pablo continues to mock him, denigrate him before his children and glorifies the independence of the wife.  All of this under the careful eye of the "boss".  

    It is this layman that has given Father a black eye for Father cannot see well enough to release this man from his position and trust that God will accomplish the work if it is necessary for souls' salvation.  There is much that I could relate concerning the manner in which this man operates but it would take a book.  I can say that what I have written is only the tip of the iceberg and that I receive emails from souls of Catholics who have experienced his "strong-tongued" tactics in their own regards.  He has no qualm of conscience to threaten and to detract if it works for his good.


    5. Pastor to the World on whose authority?
    Is it possible for one priest to serve the world?  It is a silly question but it also silly for a priest to bite off more than he can chew.  It was funny to watch the operations of this priest with a phone here and a phone there.  Every device was operative so that he could take on the problems everywhere.  Fr. Chazal was incompetent in Asia and so our hero had to visit there at least twice a year to put things back in order.  The multiplication of mass sites went up on a map of the United States in order to see how he might make as many sites in a weekend as possible.  

    In the end flight schedules were a nightmare because we had to do two or more sites in one day.  Many places received the priest and mass was offered and then down to the airport to go to another place for evening mass.  It was crazy.  But if something is worth doing it is worth doing badly.  

    Our question is:  who determined that one priest should take on the world apostolate?  Was there some kind of commission offered to him that no bishop recognized?  Did he take this on himself? Just as there is no legitimacy to the work of a seminary; so too there is no legitimacy to his trips around the world.  Who pays?  On any whim again he will take off in the shiny new world airlines and arrive to solve the problem of even one family who calls upon him to baptize their child.  

    In the end he becomes his own enemy and priest after priest become sick of the manner in which he operates.  No other priest has come to his aid.  He will allow bishops to be slighted; priests to be maligned; and lay leaders to be mocked, spat upon and whipped with vicious words from a man whom he cannot control.  
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    Fr. Voigt exposes Fr. Pfeiffer, Boston KY seminary, SSPX-MC, OLMC
    « Reply #1 on: February 26, 2016, 11:55:42 PM »
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  • What is surprising is that almost nobody seems to have heard anything negative about him concerning his time in the SSPX. I did, despite being in India.

    First, Frs Chazal/Pfeiffer and then Frs T. and J.Pfeiffer were entrusted with the newly created SSPX Mumbai Priory at Vasai. And where did it go within less than two years?


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    « Reply #2 on: February 27, 2016, 03:40:53 AM »
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  • I must commend Father's expose. It is charitable.
    But shouldn't we stand back, look at the litany of complaints and understand the demonic nature of it all?

    The "Pablo/pfeiffer" entity is not normal.
    There have been a multitude of warning signs for those with eyes to see.

    Pablo/pfeiffer represents a Rasputinesque infiltration of a well established traditional Catholic site.
    The Pablo/pfeiffer aura, has confused, paralyzed and dispersed chapel family and friends in a most unnatural way.

    The practical effect of the Pablo/pfieffer phenomenon has been to create chaos, disorder and despair within the natural Catholic "resistance" movement.

    The unlikely Pablo/pfeiffer team defies all logic, and this proves it's of dark, supernatural design.






    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Fr. Voigt exposes Fr. Pfeiffer, Boston KY seminary, SSPX-MC, OLMC
    « Reply #3 on: February 27, 2016, 11:00:42 AM »
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  • Quote from: Wessex
    The resistance was meant to be a loose association. If you do not like the style of one priest or one outfit, you find another. Fr. Voigt is free to form his own; he originally bought into the Boston apostolate based on certain criteria and decided it was not for him. Priests have been weighing up the pros and cons of associating with other traditional entities for decades. They come and they go. Leaving is invariably done with a bad taste in the mouth and a list of grievances as long as your arm. The best working structure is self-employment unless one easily falls out with oneself!  


    No, it's not that simple. It's not as simple as "it wasn't a good fit for me; I'll just move on with my life." Nice of you to place yourself above Fr. Voigt as his judge, though. (Yes, I'm being sarcastic)

    If you left or got fired from a place, but you learned as an employee that they had actual slaves from third world countries in the basement doing various work, wouldn't it be your duty to expose and eliminate this evil?


    Yes, in the world of employment there are many fish in the sea, and most of the time you "move on" after terminating one job (whether you quit or got fired), even if your boss was totally in the wrong and/or a total jerk. Some people aren't meant to get along with each other. Even if you were forced out of your job, given only 2 or 3 hours to work each week, etc. there's usually not much you can do about it. Just give up and move on.

    But the Boston, KY situation goes far beyond that. Scroll up one or two and read Incredulous' post. He hit the nail on the head.
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    « Reply #4 on: February 27, 2016, 11:10:02 AM »
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  • Fr. Voigt was telling the absolute truth when he said this was the "tip of the iceberg". He wasn't bluffing or exaggerating there.

    For example, he didn't talk much on the important and grave issue that Fr. Pfeiffer considers himself not just the head of the Resistance, but the ENTIRE Resistance itself. He does consider himself a de-facto pope -- what else would you call the supreme arbiter of every priest's doctrine on a universal scale?

    Also, Fr. Voigt was going to add another section on the Ambrose Moran affair, during which MANY RED LINES were crossed from a perspective of Catholic doctrine. Fr. Pfeiffer wants to talk about priests with doctrinal issues? He has a beam in his eye the size of a telephone pole.

    But looking at the situation objectively, you can see that Fr. Pfeiffer only approves of "his" priests as an option for Mass. His list of "true priests" is laughably short, and excludes way more priests than it should. Anyone not in union with Rome Boston, KY doesn't make the cut.

    He poisons people against Fr. Voigt all over the United States. I've seen it personally, and Fr. Voigt has listed many other locations where Fr. Pfeiffer has told the people that Fr. Voigt is a "danger to the Faith" and commanded them to avoid Fr. Voigt's Masses. So these people obediently stay home on Sunday, where they could go to Fr. Voigt's Mass on many of those "off Sundays". They get Mass every 8 or 10 weeks from Fr. Pfeiffer/Hewko instead.

    That, my friends, is an evil. Right out of the depths of Hell. Taking away the Holy Sacrifice from Catholics. Kind of like what Vatican II did in a permanent fashion!
    Or to put it another way: For these particular devout Catholics, Fr. Pfeiffer has done what Vatican II couldn't do: take away the true Mass from their life.

    To judge the level of evil of this sectarian, politically-motivated home-aloneism, just meditate on the sublimity of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Think about what the Mass is, and how infinite its graces are. Think about how the Church knows weak human nature, and that we need the graces of the Mass on a WEEKLY basis. Therefore the Church makes it part of Her law (the Sunday obligation).

    Think about what Our Lord thinks of us attending Mass every Sunday, and receiving Him in Holy Communion, especially the young and innocent. There is a booklet called "I Wait For You" which deals with this particular element of Our Lord's will. He ardently desires that we receive Him in Holy Communion. He ardently waits for us to spend time before the Blessed Sacrament, to speak with Him, and of course to receive Him as often as possible in Holy Communion.

    What do you think Our Lord would think of a priest who conspires to get hundreds of Catholics to skip tens of thousands of Communions at perfectly good Masses? Do you think He will find this priest blameless? I think not.

    Notice I said "priest". Pablo might have been the "origin" of the evil, but that evil has spread now to a priest in Holy Orders. That is also quite grave. The devil tempted Judas to betray Our Lord, but that didn't totally erase Judas' guilt for giving in to that temptation and making the evil his own. Judas is guilty of what he did; he can't just point his finger to the devil and blame him 100% for what happened. Nor can Fr. Pfeiffer blame Pablo for influencing him to become more militant and aggressive towards his fellow Resistant priests and bishops.

    Pablo has convinced and manipulated Fr. Pfeiffer into turning the Resistance into a live action version of Axis and Allies (a game similar to Risk) -- a game which Fr. Pfeiffer is actually quite fond of. Now Fr. P literally has a map on his wall complete with push-pins indicating his Mass centers. He fancies himself a general of some kind. Every hotel Mass he says somewhere is like a battle won. Every new place he says Mass is like conquering some new territory. If he stops going to a given place, he has "lost territory" and has to remove the push pin. But he's one of those brave generals who would rather die than surrender.

    See how insane this is? He's lost touch with reality and embraced full-fledged megalomania.

    To continue the analogy, when Fr. P spends $500 to go to one of his "lost locations" to say Mass for 1 to 3 families who won't attend Fr. Voigt's or Fr. Zendejas's Masses, receiving maybe 1/3 or 1/2 of his investment back, he's like that soldier that drags himself wounded across the battlefield, and throws a grenade at the other side and kills a couple more enemy soldiers. In other words, he sees the financially insane moves like "spend $500 on plane ticket, get $150 in the collection" as a form of HEROISM on the battlefield. Nevermind that those few people aren't truly in need of the Sacraments; many of them have weekly Mass available from another Resistance priest. These people should be told the truth: that there is nothing wrong with the Masses of Fr. Zendejas and others, and then Fr. P could use that $500 where it was *truly* needed (such as one of the ten thousand places where NO Resistance priest is saying Mass), rather than wasting it on a stubborn kamikaze mission.

    OR, maybe in some cases he's getting more than $500 from those 2 or 3 families, because they've been told to stay home from Mass when Fr. P isn't around, which conveniently allows them to save up their tithes over the 8 weeks between Masses. So maybe those 3 families provide $750 or $1000 every 8 weeks, so he does manage to make some money to pour into his pet "seminary" hobby. This is actually more likely than the first scenario.
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    « Reply #5 on: February 27, 2016, 02:39:43 PM »
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  • Matthew's excerpt quote:

    "Also, Fr. Voigt was going to add another section on the Ambrose Moran affair, during which MANY RED LINES were crossed from a perspective of Catholic doctrine. Fr. Pfeiffer wants to talk about priests with doctrinal issues? He has a beam in his eye the size of a telephone pole".


    "PED" for short.

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #6 on: February 27, 2016, 03:38:38 PM »
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  • Quote from: Incredulous
    Matthew's excerpt quote:

    "Also, Fr. Voigt was going to add another section on the Ambrose Moran affair, during which MANY RED LINES were crossed from a perspective of Catholic doctrine. Fr. Pfeiffer wants to talk about priests with doctrinal issues? He has a beam in his eye the size of a telephone pole".


    What am I missing such that the un-renounced Ambrose relationship does not place Frs. Pfeiffer & Hewko in schism?  Is that idea completely invalid?  If so, why?

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    « Reply #7 on: February 28, 2016, 12:51:14 AM »
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  • Quote from: OHCA
    Quote from: Incredulous
    Matthew's excerpt quote:

    "Also, Fr. Voigt was going to add another section on the Ambrose Moran affair, during which MANY RED LINES were crossed from a perspective of Catholic doctrine. Fr. Pfeiffer wants to talk about priests with doctrinal issues? He has a beam in his eye the size of a telephone pole".


    What am I missing such that the un-renounced Ambrose relationship does not place Frs. Pfeiffer & Hewko in schism?  Is that idea completely invalid?  If so, why?


    You're right on it.

    Pablo/pfeiffer tried to launch the cause for "Bp. Ambrose Morrano" but the little piggy won't fly.



    Unsuccessful, Pablo/pfeiffer "shucks and jives" different versions of their Morrano story, hoping the faithful doesn't ask too many questions.  

    To advance his own agenda, Fr, Pfeiffer needs a bishop, but by providence, his  Morrano bishop is grounded.

    Deo Gratias!

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    « Reply #8 on: February 28, 2016, 07:05:30 AM »
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  • I have no knowledge of what they plan to "fly" next but given the reaction against Moran I suspect they will go for either an SV bishop with ties to the SSPX or a retired NO bishop who they can pass off as "liking tradition" or something like that.  Their standards are really low so they won't be picky about who it is.  And benefactors are on standby waiting to have their life savings strip mined by that operation.

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    « Reply #9 on: February 28, 2016, 04:00:40 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
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    The resistance was meant to be a loose association. If you do not like the style of one priest or one outfit, you find another. Fr. Voigt is free to form his own; he originally bought into the Boston apostolate based on certain criteria and decided it was not for him. Priests have been weighing up the pros and cons of associating with other traditional entities for decades. They come and they go. Leaving is invariably done with a bad taste in the mouth and a list of grievances as long as your arm. The best working structure is self-employment unless one easily falls out with oneself!  


    No, it's not that simple. It's not as simple as "it wasn't a good fit for me; I'll just move on with my life." Nice of you to place yourself above Fr. Voigt as his judge, though. (Yes, I'm being sarcastic)





    No doubt Fr. Voigt feels justified in indicting Boston so heavily but he immersed himself in the project and came unstuck. A bad investment; there are no refunds; join the club. He should have heeded the warning about coming away with less than he put in! We can all say how the SSPX and others have betrayed us and stolen our money from the early days and the Internet is awash with its priests having to flee in the night for one reason or another! And where money and property is involved, they do seem to excel in corruption and larceny.

    Attaching oneself to the trad cause was never going to be easy; there were predators in waiting for the unwary. And obviously liars in abundance. Financially, there were widows' funds to collect and ambitious priests pursuing their own wild dreams. I could never understand why as single men living humble lives they wanted so much money! We are really reaching the point when the absence of bishops and priests leeching off us is no bad thing. I petition the Almighty to do away with this parasitic class!

     

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    « Reply #10 on: February 28, 2016, 06:01:42 PM »
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  • Here, here!

    I second that petition

    My we be saved from the enemies of Jesus Christ who are the parasitic overlords of this world.



     
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    Fr. Voigt exposes Fr. Pfeiffer, Boston KY seminary, SSPX-MC, OLMC
    « Reply #11 on: February 29, 2016, 09:01:01 PM »
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    Matthew's excerpt quote:

    "Also, Fr. Voigt was going to add another section on the Ambrose Moran affair, during which MANY RED LINES were crossed from a perspective of Catholic doctrine. Fr. Pfeiffer wants to talk about priests with doctrinal issues? He has a beam in his eye the size of a telephone pole".


    "PED" for short.



    Holy cow, Incred--- please never use that acronym again when speaking of resistance priests. That's sure to open up a whole different can of worms. But then,  we've always known you to have your trusty can-opener at hand...

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    Fr. Voigt exposes Fr. Pfeiffer, Boston KY seminary, SSPX-MC, OLMC
    « Reply #12 on: March 01, 2016, 11:53:53 AM »
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    We can all say how the SSPX and others have betrayed us and stolen our money from the early days and the Internet is awash with its priests having to flee in the night for one reason or another! And where money and property is involved, they do seem to excel in corruption and larceny.



    Wessex, you write that "(we) can all say how the SSPX and others have betrayed us and stolen our money."  Oh really?  We came into the SSPX in about 2002, and left in 2012, more or less.  I myself was not aware of any "larceny" on a grand scale during that period of time.  No, in fact I was not really conscious of any alleged thievery on the part SSPX priests, until the Pfeiffer/Voigt affair arose.  But you seem to be implying that the organization and its priests may have been stealing "our money" from the "early days,"  that it was an endemic pattern of behavior.

    Reading between the lines, you seem to indicate that Fr. Pfeiffer's alleged larceny is nothing new or unique, that, as I say above, it has always been the kind of behavior exhibited within the priestly ranks of the SSPX,  If I read you correctly.  Since you've opened this Pandora's Box, don't you think you should provide at least a few solid examples of other SSPX priests, (or bishops, or superiors), who have committed acts similar to those of which Fr. Pfeiffer is now presently accused?  Otherwise, we are led to believe that Fr. Pfeiffer may merely have behaved under the influence of the environment from which he sprang.  I doubt this seriously.  You need to explain.

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    Fr. Voigt exposes Fr. Pfeiffer, Boston KY seminary, SSPX-MC, OLMC
    « Reply #13 on: March 01, 2016, 12:38:28 PM »
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    The resistance was meant to be a loose association. If you do not like the style of one priest or one outfit, you find another. Fr. Voigt is free to form his own; he originally bought into the Boston apostolate based on certain criteria and decided it was not for him. Priests have been weighing up the pros and cons of associating with other traditional entities for decades. They come and they go. Leaving is invariably done with a bad taste in the mouth and a list of grievances as long as your arm. The best working structure is self-employment unless one easily falls out with oneself!  


    No, it's not that simple. It's not as simple as "it wasn't a good fit for me; I'll just move on with my life." Nice of you to place yourself above Fr. Voigt as his judge, though. (Yes, I'm being sarcastic)





    No doubt Fr. Voigt feels justified in indicting Boston so heavily but he immersed himself in the project and came unstuck. A bad investment; there are no refunds; join the club. He should have heeded the warning about coming away with less than he put in! We can all say how the SSPX and others have betrayed us and stolen our money from the early days and the Internet is awash with its priests having to flee in the night for one reason or another! And where money and property is involved, they do seem to excel in corruption and larceny.

    Attaching oneself to the trad cause was never going to be easy; there were predators in waiting for the unwary. And obviously liars in abundance. Financially, there were widows' funds to collect and ambitious priests pursuing their own wild dreams. I could never understand why as single men living humble lives they wanted so much money! We are really reaching the point when the absence of bishops and priests leeching off us is no bad thing. I petition the Almighty to do away with this parasitic class!

     

    Well, Mr. Wessex, He evidently is doing away with this parasitic class that you yearn to see gone.  Therefore, careful what we wish for!  As the last of the seriously trained Catholic clergy go off into that good sunset to be replaced by the Clowns' Brigades and Circus Freak Shows Unlimited, aka an Anabaptist Pentecostalist clergy absurdly feigning something presuming Roman Catholicism, what next?  What next indeed.  As is said:  Quo Vadis?  Perhaps those who wish to remain Roman Catholics ought to address the obvious, i.e., that the question to be addressed is not minor juridical adjustment here or there but rather how to resurrect something integrally Catholic.  Hence what is needed is precisely the "parasitic class" you loath, but "on steroids".  More, not less!  What would a real Roman Catholic bishop look like nowadays in the Age of the Donald and Madame Le Pen, with the ancient rabies again epidemic among the Germans  and renascent Uber-Fascism, et. al.?  

    One might even attempt the sobriety to note that the petty bourgeoisie is storming the barricades, something that has not been occurring for many a generation past?  That the price of oil is murdering capitalism with an efficiency of which the late unlamented Mr. Marx could only dream about in his many ravings?  That our various enemies are in much worse shape than we Catholics are?  Jewry is shattered and it is springtime in Christendom again, my friend.

    And since any functional Roman clergy is disappearing with all the rapidity the most rabid anti-clerical could desire, what indeed is to be done?  Might this lowly writer make the modest proposal that what is urgently required is many many fighting Roman bishops, and anything but no bishops.  Catholics would benefit from bishops the more militant the better in place of absurdly milk toast careerists quivering with fear in the face of unprecedented opportunities that dangerously threaten their shamelessly comatose comforts.

    Our bishops need but perform their various historic duties and the world would soon be at the feet of the Roman Catholic remnant.  But that men were found with testosterone levels sufficient to the task, alas.  In any case, it is not our opportunities or the means that are lacking.  As is said, the fault lies all too entirely only in ourselves.  We are in the Lent to End All Lents and the Transfiguration of the Romans is straight ahead of us as inescapably and inexorably as the dawn.

    What is to be done?  Simple.  Rather than mope about, Catholic men ought to abandon the escapism of endlessly hiding behind meaningless juridical hair-splittings regarding the precise status of the usurpers in the Vatican or the subtle existential meanings of the good Bishop Williamson’s latest vapours apropos the everchanging numbers of angels on the heads of unspecified pins and proceed to do something entirely different:  

    Namely, to pick up their Crosses (i.e., their swords), boldly march forth and conquer.  It has been done before and it is already being done again.  The proverbial ship has come in and the Catholic men who do not wish to miss theirs had best scamble aboard before the limited reservations are full up.

    To quote the Bard:  

    “There is a tide in the affairs of men.

    Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;

    Omitted, all the voyage of their life

    Is bound in shallows and in miseries.

    On such a full sea are we now afloat,

    And we must take the current when it serves,

    Or lose our ventures.”

    And, dear Catholic ladies, please be sure to give the Catholic gentlemen a good hard kick in our lazy behinds now and then.  These days we are often sorely in need of some such prompt assistance from you.


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    Fr. Voigt exposes Fr. Pfeiffer, Boston KY seminary, SSPX-MC, OLMC
    « Reply #14 on: March 01, 2016, 01:18:29 PM »
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  • Maybe my iced tea hasn't kicked in yet (or maybe I'd need to make use of a different kind of "tea" -- the kind that is only legal in certain states today), but I can't make heads or tails of what Franciscan Solitary is getting at.

    Maybe he's cryptic on purpose, as an exercise, to get us all debating and talking for hours about what he means. Maybe that's his real goal.

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