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Offline John Grace

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« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2013, 01:40:24 PM »
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    It will be to imitate his master, and show off his new found Traditionalist credentials. Bishop Fellay broke the 6-month silence on Francis, so now we can expect all his understudies to do the same. Only perhaps not quite as articulately nor as convincingly. Fr. Rostand is a "poor man's Fellay". He does his best, but it's never quite the real thing...


    Yes, I expect it will be that Bishop Fellay is Traditional again. All is ok.

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    « Reply #16 on: December 06, 2013, 01:43:02 PM »
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    The devil has a lot of work that he needs to have done.  I'm sure he appreciates all the help.  Of course, the low-level grunge 'work' like that of John Anthony might get a footnote in the back pages.  The main goal is ever in mind:  corrupt the Church.  And great strides have been accomplished in that direction.  Oh, and there will be a second collection, for the new 'seminary'.................

    Glad to be of service.


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    « Reply #17 on: December 06, 2013, 01:54:45 PM »
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    It will be a waste of time, good money after bad.
    The good Father is not going to be there to have discussions. He will be there to repeat Menzingen's version and justifications for events and to defend the King and the King's authority.
    It matters not if he is verbally bested or made to look the fool by his own accord, in the end, nothing will change.


    I agree that it's a waste of time, however, ... someone could start laughing at what he says.




    ........ (I'll save you the inconvenience of waiting) ................... :jester:


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    « Reply #18 on: December 06, 2013, 02:11:32 PM »
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    It will be to imitate his master, and show off his new found Traditionalist credentials. Bishop Fellay broke the 6-month silence on Francis, so now we can expect all his understudies to do the same. Only perhaps not quite as articulately nor as convincingly. Fr. Rostand is a "poor man's Fellay". He does his best, but it's never quite the real thing...


    Yes, I expect it will be that Bishop Fellay is Traditional again. All is ok.


    How about some posters for the front lawn?  



    Bishop Fellay is A-O-K!


    EVERYTHING'S BACK
    TO NORMAL!!



    WHEW!

    (That was a close one!)
    (+F had me worried --
    for a minute or two!)


    AT EASE MEN!
    THE GREAT ONE IS
    TRADITIONAL AGAIN!!  



    You can go home now -- you've
    already heard Fr. Rostand's speech.




    ..........And DON'T FORGET:
    The Planned Giving Campaign!  
    -- applications are in the vestibule!..........





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    « Reply #19 on: December 06, 2013, 03:27:14 PM »
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    Yes, I believe Fr. Rostand's tone will be on those type of lines as well.

    With that said, I thought perhaps we can take the opportunity to draw up some honest questions to ask him.  Even if he keeps up on Cathinfo, I am sure that he does, and reads these honest questions being posed from people within his District, it may also guide his conscience in the right direction to see that there are still viable questions out there, before God, that he needs to [honestly] answer; regardless if he does, tries to avoid them, or if he wants to; they still exist to be answered.

    Using a number system, I will begin:

    1 -  Is the SSPX still perusing an arraignment for a practical deal with Rome?

    2 -  Is there anything in the works at present, in spite of the new Pope's "modernism" that Bishop Fellay mentioned?

    3 -  If so, is the outline of the 2012 General Chapter still in effect to facilitate a deal with Rome?

    4 -  If not, then does the General Chapter reconvene to make another outline for the SSPX?

    5 -  The District Superior from Canada, Father Jürgen Wegner, had mentioned that the SSPX had begun a new image through a branding company from Holland, is that true?  If so, has that been completed yet?  And, what is the new image that Bishop Fellay is looking for?


    Dear Machabees,

    Fr. Rostand probably does more work in his average day than you or I in his average week, so let me help save Father's valuable time by giving you the honest answers to your honest questions, following your number system:

    1 - No
    2 - Assuming that there is some difference between 2 and 1, No
    3 - Yes
    4 - N/A
    5 - You can see the rebranding in the publications of the SSPX in the U.S. and Canada. They all have consistent logos, layouts, typefaces, etc.  There are no plans to roll out the rebranding worldwide.  It involves no "image" issue in the political or marketing sense.

    Anything else I can help you with?


    No thank you John Anthony, I prefer to hear it from the authorities of the SSPX; rather than be side lined from their lay press secretaries.

    God bless.


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    « Reply #20 on: December 06, 2013, 05:36:28 PM »
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    Keeping the flock docile and generous will be Fr. R's main mission. His script will predictably emphasise how well they are being served, the costs of the operation (on doomed projects or otherwise), having trust in the leader and avoiding schism (meaning those nasty independents, excluding himself, of course). Bergoglio bashing, I am not so sure. Father is a bureaucrat, so do not expect much there.


    Yes, I'm sure the event will be carefully scripted.  There will probably be little if any Q & A.  And I would imagine that most questions will have to be submitted in writing beforehand.   That's normally the way potentially unpleasant incidents can be avoided.  They will undoubtedly leave nothing to chance.  The party line will be clearly stated once again in broken Frenchlish,  and any would-be detractors will be dealt with summarily.  I could only wish that neo-sspxism might breed a less cynical attitude.  But unfortunately some of us have been conditioned by the environment which they created.

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    « Reply #21 on: December 06, 2013, 10:30:29 PM »
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    Keeping the flock docile and generous will be Fr. R's main mission. His script will predictably emphasise how well they are being served, the costs of the operation (on doomed projects or otherwise), having trust in the leader and avoiding schism (meaning those nasty independents, excluding himself, of course). Bergoglio bashing, I am not so sure. Father is a bureaucrat, so do not expect much there.


    Yes, I'm sure the event will be carefully scripted.  There will probably be little if any Q & A.  And I would imagine that most questions will have to be submitted in writing beforehand.   That's normally the way potentially unpleasant incidents can be avoided.  They will undoubtedly leave nothing to chance.  The party line will be clearly stated once again in broken Frenchlish,  and any would-be detractors will be dealt with summarily.  I could only wish that neo-sspxism might breed a less cynical attitude.  But unfortunately some of us have been conditioned by the environment which they created.


    I wish you well. Wear a disquise to avoid ejection and drink a large espresso shot to avoid dozing.

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    « Reply #22 on: December 07, 2013, 07:46:39 AM »
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    Yes, I believe Fr. Rostand's tone will be on those type of lines as well.

    With that said, I thought perhaps we can take the opportunity to draw up some honest questions to ask him.  Even if he keeps up on Cathinfo, I am sure that he does, and reads these honest questions being posed from people within his District, it may also guide his conscience in the right direction to see that there are still viable questions out there, before God, that he needs to [honestly] answer; regardless if he does, tries to avoid them, or if he wants to; they still exist to be answered.

    Using a number system, I will begin:

    1 -  Is the SSPX still perusing an arraignment for a practical deal with Rome?

    2 -  Is there anything in the works at present, in spite of the new Pope's "modernism" that Bishop Fellay mentioned?

    3 -  If so, is the outline of the 2012 General Chapter still in effect to facilitate a deal with Rome?

    4 -  If not, then does the General Chapter reconvene to make another outline for the SSPX?

    5 -  The District Superior from Canada, Father Jürgen Wegner, had mentioned that the SSPX had begun a new image through a branding company from Holland, is that true?  If so, has that been completed yet?  And, what is the new image that Bishop Fellay is looking for?


    Dear Machabees,

    Fr. Rostand probably does more work in his average day than you or I in his average week, so let me help save Father's valuable time by giving you the honest answers to your honest questions, following your number system:

    1 - No
    2 - Assuming that there is some difference between 2 and 1, No
    3 - Yes
    4 - N/A
    5 - You can see the rebranding in the publications of the SSPX in the U.S. and Canada. They all have consistent logos, layouts, typefaces, etc.  There are no plans to roll out the rebranding worldwide.  It involves no "image" issue in the political or marketing sense.

    Anything else I can help you with?



    John-

    That is an amazing understatement and misrepresentation, with regard to the acknowledged scope and intent of the banding campaign, per Fr. Wegner!

    It seems your metaphysics are: The SSPX must be defended, and it matters not what we say and do toward that end.

    The implication being that the SSPX is indefectible, and cannot fail in its mission.

    We have always been at war with Eurasia!
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    « Reply #23 on: December 07, 2013, 09:50:56 AM »
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  • So last night at in the Q&A, one gentleman asked Fr. R. to explain the inconsistency of Bishop Fellay telling us last month that Francis is a "genuine modernist", and then saying in a recent interview that he only meant that Francis' is a modernist in his actions. Father's reply was not too clear and didn't explain the inconsistency to me, but more or less said that the pope can't be understood to be an actual modernist because that would lead to a sedevacantist position. Father also said that Francis has not used the charism of infallibility to pronounce any heresies. So apparently, to say that this pope is not the pope, he would have to attempt to infallibly proclaim a heresy as dogma.

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    « Reply #24 on: December 07, 2013, 11:01:39 AM »
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    So last night at in the Q&A, one gentleman asked Fr. R. to explain the inconsistency of Bishop Fellay telling us last month that Francis is a "genuine modernist", and then saying in a recent interview that he only meant that Francis' is a modernist in his actions. Father's reply was not too clear and didn't explain the inconsistency to me, but more or less said that the pope can't be understood to be an actual modernist because that would lead to a sedevacantist position. Father also said that Francis has not used the charism of infallibility to pronounce any heresies. So apparently, to say that this pope is not the pope, he would have to attempt to infallibly proclaim a heresy as dogma.


    Wow.  So we can't say he's a modernist, because the conclusion is scary?    And the criteria for being declared a modernist is that one has to use the charism of infallibility to advance a heretical position?  Why is the criteria for being a modernist different for a pope than it is for everyone else?  

    Finally, regarding his last point, does this cover an attempt to infallibly define a heretic to be a saint?  Can't wait to see how they deal with the April canonizations.  

     
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    « Reply #25 on: December 07, 2013, 11:22:23 AM »
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    So last night at in the Q&A, one gentleman asked Fr. R. to explain the inconsistency of Bishop Fellay telling us last month that Francis is a "genuine modernist", and then saying in a recent interview that he only meant that Francis' is a modernist in his actions. Father's reply was not too clear and didn't explain the inconsistency to me, but more or less said that the pope can't be understood to be an actual modernist because that would lead to a sedevacantist position. Father also said that Francis has not used the charism of infallibility to pronounce any heresies. So apparently, to say that this pope is not the pope, he would have to attempt to infallibly proclaim a heresy as dogma.


    Wow is right.

    What huge implications...  Fr. Rostand statement to defend his "superior" is worse than the position of Bishop Fellay's erratic behavior of contradiction.  


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    « Reply #26 on: December 07, 2013, 11:24:44 AM »
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    So last night at in the Q&A, one gentleman asked Fr. R. to explain the inconsistency of Bishop Fellay telling us last month that Francis is a "genuine modernist", and then saying in a recent interview that he only meant that Francis' is a modernist in his actions. Father's reply was not too clear and didn't explain the inconsistency to me, but more or less said that the pope can't be understood to be an actual modernist because that would lead to a sedevacantist position. Father also said that Francis has not used the charism of infallibility to pronounce any heresies. So apparently, to say that this pope is not the pope, he would have to attempt to infallibly proclaim a heresy as dogma.



    So covering for Francis is what the hierarchy of the nSSPX leadership is concerned about?

    This focus shows they are in worse trouble than anyone can imagine.

    Menzingen is wandering in the dark after losing the graces and light of Our Lord.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #27 on: December 07, 2013, 11:27:21 AM »
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    We're going to try to gain entry.  It may be a problem, however, since I'm known to the ICC faithful and to Fr. Rostand.  I may not get beyond the door.  I think maybe that "public meeting" will have a definite Menzingen spin put on it.  In any case, if the Dec. 6 meeting is anything like the previous Rostand fiasco there, no more than 15% of the congregation will attend anyway.  



    Holly,

    You should have tried a disguise to gain entry.



    The nSSPX probably would have mistaken you for being Jєωιѕн and given you a front row seat.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #28 on: December 07, 2013, 12:03:59 PM »
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    The nSSPX probably would have mistaken you for being Jєωιѕн

    ...or an older brother........

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    « Reply #29 on: December 07, 2013, 12:06:37 PM »
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  • All f them cowards, men who will not even stand by their own words, men who huddle in fear of the truth that they see.