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Re: Fr. Ribiero da Silva Separated from the SAJM
« Reply #60 on: August 20, 2018, 10:52:31 AM »
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  • The 'spirit of pride' of our age, also affects many priests/bishops of tradition, as this situation proves.  Let us pray for ALL the traditional priests/bishops, because they will have a LOT to answer for on judgement day.  Traditionalism could have peace but for their lust for power and control.

    Yes, we should pray for all traditional priests and bishops. But should we really pray for them with an attitude that they lust after power and control, as you mention above?

    Are we laymen really so much more holy than the traditional priests and bishops?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Fr. Ribiero da Silva Separated from the SAJM
    « Reply #61 on: August 20, 2018, 11:17:15 AM »
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  • The bishops have not given an exhaustive explanation of the situation, only a small statement. Why did Dom Tomás not respond to Father Rodrigo? It's just something I ask myself. Now we have the version of Father Da Silva, missing the response of the bishops.

    Who cares if they give an explanation of the situation? I don't care. Not one whit.

    Giving an explanation will only give the sedes more reason to attack the Resistance. That's what they do. And perhaps that was their intention in the first place, with this situation. 

    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Fr. Ribiero da Silva Separated from the SAJM
    « Reply #62 on: August 31, 2020, 04:09:18 PM »
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  • Bump.

    CentroAmerica asked to be re-instated. Unless he is vastly different than he was in this thread, I'm thinking he needs to stay gone.
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    Re: Fr. Ribiero da Silva Separated from the SAJM
    « Reply #63 on: August 29, 2021, 11:14:13 AM »
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    The Rosary, however…saved Brazil from Communism just in the 60s. But that was before the destruction of the Catholic Church. It is to Brazil that I am turning for another bishop to take care of our faithful in Mexico and South America, as well as to help assure the apostolic succession in these so uncertain times. God willing, I will consecrate Fr. Rodrigo da Silva a bishop here on the feast of St. Michael the Archangel, September 29. He has to pass a long quarantine in Mexico City in order to enter the United States. (Others, however, are daily flown or driven in, thanks to Uncle Sam.) Please pray that all goes well for this Consecration. Afterwards, the new bishop returns to Brazil and the St. Joseph Seminary he heads.
    Bishop Daniel Dolan, http://www.sgg.org/2021/08/28/pentecost-xiv-12/

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    Re: Fr. Ribiero da Silva Separated from the SAJM
    « Reply #64 on: August 29, 2021, 09:41:14 PM »
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  • Interesting development!

    Maybe he will be making similar rounds as Bp. Zendejas is doing?


    I thought +ABL once said?

    “I will not say, that one cannot say that the Pope is not the Pope”

    Did this priest separate from SSPX Resistance because he would not say “Francis” in the Mass Canon?

    What about Pope Leo XIII’s long version of the St. Michael’s prayer that specifies “two thrones and one Church” ?

    I would think with 37 years of hindsight we could see Francis as being on the false throne?

    Just wonder what +ABL would say today, if he were alive to witness Francis
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Fr. Ribiero da Silva Separated from the SAJM
    « Reply #65 on: August 30, 2021, 07:12:30 AM »
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  • ... Monsignor Jean Michel Faure ... demands from his members the same position Archbishop Lefebvre demanded.

    That's ridiculous.  Circuмstances and facts change.  Nobody knows what Archbishop Lefebvre would have concluded in the case of Bergoglio.  He could have gone Bennyvacantist or full-blown sedevacantist.  He famously stated that he had come very close to coming out as a sedevacantist after Assisi.  What would he have thought about Bergoglio's approval/sanctioning of adultery, sodomy, or of the Pachamama worship, and suppression of the Tridentine Mass?  We have long-standing Novus Ordites flirting with sedevacantism or at least Bennyvacantism because of Bergoglio.

    It's absurd to impose an opinion held 30 years ago as somehow etched in stone for all time.

    We have the case of Fr. Ringrose, conditionally ordained by Archbishop Lefebvre, who had staunchly opposed sedevacantism ... now a sedevacantist thanks to Bergoglio.  We even have the likes of Taylor Marshall asking the question of whether Bergoglio is the true pope.

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    Re: Fr. Ribiero da Silva Separated from the SAJM
    « Reply #66 on: August 30, 2021, 07:31:41 AM »
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  • That's ridiculous.  Circuмstances and facts change.  Nobody knows what Archbishop Lefebvre would have concluded in the case of Bergoglio.  He could have gone Bennyvacantist or full-blown sedevacantist.  He famously stated that he had come very close to coming out as a sedevacantist after Assisi.  What would he have thought about Bergoglio's approval/sanctioning of adultery, sodomy, or of the Pachamama worship, and suppression of the Tridentine Mass?  We have long-standing Novus Ordites flirting with sedevacantism or at least Bennyvacantism because of Bergoglio.

    It's absurd to impose an opinion held 30 years ago as somehow etched in stone for all time.

    We have the case of Fr. Ringrose, conditionally ordained by Archbishop Lefebvre, who had staunchly opposed sedevacantism ... now a sedevacantist thanks to Bergoglio.  We even have the likes of Taylor Marshall asking the question of whether Bergoglio is the true pope.

    Yes... Assisi was an unprecedented, dramatic assault on the First Commandment.
     :facepalm:

    And JPII did it in his Barnum & Bailey” show-circus style.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Fr. Ribiero da Silva Separated from the SAJM
    « Reply #67 on: August 30, 2021, 09:12:44 AM »
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  • That's ridiculous.  Circuмstances and facts change.  Nobody knows what Archbishop Lefebvre would have concluded in the case of Bergoglio.  He could have gone Bennyvacantist or full-blown sedevacantist.  He famously stated that he had come very close to coming out as a sedevacantist after Assisi.  What would he have thought about Bergoglio's approval/sanctioning of adultery, sodomy, or of the Pachamama worship, and suppression of the Tridentine Mass?  We have long-standing Novus Ordites flirting with sedevacantism or at least Bennyvacantism because of Bergoglio.

    It's absurd to impose an opinion held 30 years ago as somehow etched in stone for all time.

    We have the case of Fr. Ringrose, conditionally ordained by Archbishop Lefebvre, who had staunchly opposed sedevacantism ... now a sedevacantist thanks to Bergoglio.  We even have the likes of Taylor Marshall asking the question of whether Bergoglio is the true pope.
    That’s exactly right. Prideful arrogance assumes what deceased archbishops would do and say today. Then dogmatize it.
    Fr. Ribeiro’s apostolate has continued to grow and do well in São Paolo where he runs a minor seminary. Everything indicates he made the right choice. 
    Yes, he is non una cuм. 


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    Re: Fr. Ribiero da Silva Expelled from the SAJM
    « Reply #68 on: September 03, 2021, 05:05:14 AM »
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  • What "canonical process of explusion"?  There's no canonically established group known as SAJM in the first place.
    Indeed I have to agree with Ladislaus. SAJM or SSPX-MC were never canonically founded in the first place.
    Don't they have a better candidate than a 30-year old?

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    Re: Fr. Ribiero da Silva Separated from the SAJM
    « Reply #69 on: September 03, 2021, 05:08:29 AM »
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  • Yes... Assisi was an unprecedented, dramatic assault on the First Commandment.
     :facepalm:

    And JPII did it in his Barnum & Bailey” show-circus style.
    On the other hand, Assisi happened in 1986 and +Lefebvre pondered for almost 2 years before finally performing the episcopal consecrations in 1988.

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    Re: Fr. Ribiero da Silva Separated from the SAJM
    « Reply #70 on: September 03, 2021, 03:12:55 PM »
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  • .
    It seems that the two opposing sides of this discussion would have two very different explanations for what is going on.
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    What happened in the life of Fr. Da Silva to make him go from praying for the Pope in his Masses to not praying for the Pope because he thinks Francis is not a pope?
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    Did he read something, if so, what?
    Did he speak with someone and accept their counsel, if so, whom?
    Did he have a private revelation from God? If so, he would have to have said that he did.
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    Nobody goes to bed one day and wakes up the next sedevacantist. It doesn't work that way. Something made this happen.
    Easy answer.  just got to keep things simple   Francis I  Bergoglio happened/is happening  don't need more mental gymnastics than that. 


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    Re: Fr. Ribiero da Silva Separated from the SAJM
    « Reply #71 on: September 03, 2021, 03:25:59 PM »
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  • Easy answer.  just got to keep things simple   Francis I  Bergoglio happened/is happening  don't need more mental gymnastics than that.

    Uh.... Pope Francis was elected in 2013. Not exactly a new development.

    Neither is his uber-liberal behavior new. The world has known what a bad/liberal pope Francis was since maybe 2-3 years after his ɛƖɛctıon.

    The question stands.
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    Re: Fr. Ribiero da Silva Separated from the SAJM
    « Reply #72 on: September 03, 2021, 03:31:02 PM »
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  • It's absurd to impose an opinion held 30 years ago as somehow etched in stone for all time.
    And yet, Abp. Lefebvre IS etched in stone for all time. He can't change anymore. His earthly life -- opportunity to change, merit, or demerit -- ended on March 25, 1991.
    So it's absurd for Sedevacantists to try to "own" or "acquire" the saintly man, when it's a fact that said saintly man never embraced the sedevacantist position.
    At worst, you can't use him in the argument.

    We "get" +ABL permanently, just like Sedevacantists "get" Fr. Cekada, who died a sedevacantist. (You can have him...hahaha)
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    Re: Fr. Ribiero da Silva Separated from the SAJM
    « Reply #73 on: September 03, 2021, 03:56:43 PM »
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  • Uh.... Pope Francis was elected in 2013. Not exactly a new development.

    Neither is his uber-liberal behavior new. The world has known what a bad/liberal pope Francis was since maybe 2-3 years after his ɛƖɛctıon.

    The question stands.
    Again, When "francis " was elected machs nichts.  there are consequences to accepting Sede vacantism as it were.  many people don't come to such a conclusion without a sense of trepidation.  The reality is, for all practical purposes, sans the indult groups, ALL trads are more or less practical sedevacantists.  SSPX'ers want to try to convince themselves they are not, calling the Pope the pope while continuing to disregard him at EVERY turn?  I'd rather some lefevbrist explain to me how that is NOT practical sedevacantlsm.  Oh I know all the  canards and cliche's.  bottom line the cavalier statements such as Father Fullerton's reply that" the new M.P. doesn't apply to us"  belies this reality or the not so secret fact thus that an accord must be in place.  

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    Re: Fr. Ribiero da Silva Separated from the SAJM
    « Reply #74 on: September 03, 2021, 04:18:44 PM »
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  • So it's absurd for Sedevacantists to try to "own" or "acquire" the saintly man, when it's a fact that said saintly man never embraced the sedevacantist position.

    No sedevacantist is trying to "own" him, and the argument made from +Lefebvre is that he was not a dogmatic anti-sedevacantist like, say, Sean Johnson.  Neither is Bishop Williamson, nor is Avrille (having made a statement that it's OK to hold as a private opinion).

    Just because he never became a sedevacantist, that doesn't mean he was a dogmatic anti-sedevacantist.  It's people like SeanJohnson who try to "own" Archbishop Lefebvre as a fellow dogmatic anti-sedevacantist.