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Fr. Paul Morgan consecrated a bishop by Bp. Williamson
« on: April 14, 2023, 01:18:51 AM »
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  • Fr. Paul Morgan consecrated a bishop by Bp. Williamson

    Fr. Paul Morgan, a former SSPX GB district superior, has been consecrated a bishop by Bp. Williamson.

    Details of his first pontifical Mass to follow...

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    Re: Fr. Paul Morgan consecrated a bishop by Bp. Williamson
    « Reply #1 on: April 14, 2023, 03:23:25 AM »
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  • Bravo!
    Ad multos annos!


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    Re: Fr. Paul Morgan consecrated a bishop by Bp. Williamson
    « Reply #2 on: April 14, 2023, 08:36:51 AM »
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  • Fr. Paul Morgan consecrated a bishop by Bp. Williamson

    Fr. Paul Morgan, a former SSPX GB district superior, has been consecrated a bishop by Bp. Williamson.

    Details of his first pontifical Mass to follow...
    This is good news! Hope he will come to the Episcopal aid of Fr Joven Soliman, the first Filipino priest to be ordained for the FSSPX, who, some believe, fell on the wrong side of the Haute Couture then prevailing, and had to depart the Society. A bonus would be if Bishop Paul Morgan raises Fr Soliman himself to the Episcopacy! 

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    Re: Fr. Paul Morgan consecrated a bishop by Bp. Williamson
    « Reply #3 on: April 14, 2023, 09:49:50 AM »
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  • Fr. Paul Morgan consecrated a bishop by Bp. Williamson

    Fr. Paul Morgan, a former SSPX GB district superior, has been consecrated a bishop by Bp. Williamson.

    Details of his first pontifical Mass to follow...

    Great News!
    When do you suppose he'll come to America to give us the Sacraments?  :popcorn:

    Our current North American Resistance bishop is disinclined to do so.


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Fr. Paul Morgan consecrated a bishop by Bp. Williamson
    « Reply #4 on: April 14, 2023, 11:51:31 AM »
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  • Our current North American Resistance bishop is disinclined to do so.

    I'd say that's a bit unfair:

    He runs 3 chapels spread out between Kansas, Texas, and New York, and has only one priest (Fr. Brocard) working with him.  All of those locations have schools, and the Kansas one now has a fledgling pre-seminary/house of formation.

    Besides all that, he still runs confirmation and ordination circuits all over the world.

    In my estimation, that's quite a lot for 1-2 men, and I'm not sure how much more they could really bite off.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Fr. Paul Morgan consecrated a bishop by Bp. Williamson
    « Reply #5 on: April 14, 2023, 11:55:28 AM »
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  • BZ also has other  Mass sites he visits monthly

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    Re: Fr. Paul Morgan consecrated a bishop by Bp. Williamson
    « Reply #6 on: April 14, 2023, 12:23:52 PM »
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  • The Texas school shut down a few years ago, mostly due to a hurricane that hit right before. The building wasn't damaged, but many families were! Some families at his Houston chapel lost everything.

    Yes, Bp. Z has several "mission" chapels that get monthly Mass in addition to his 3 main chapels. They are located near his main chapels, etc.

    His Houston chapel no longer gets *regular schedule, morning Sunday Mass* but instead they get Sunday Mass every Sunday, but at different times by different priests who fill in. The parishioners in Houston see a lot more variety of priests these days -- but read the next sentence.

    But as for how many helpers Bp. Z has (or doesn't have), let's put it this way: the last 4 Masses at our chapel here have been Bp. Z himself. That's how many helpers he has.

    (Note: the Houston chapel gets a few more priests than the mission chapel near San Antonio, for the simple reason that not every priest willing to serve the Houston chapel is also willing/able to make an 8 hour driving circuit. So when Bp. Z asks a priest "Would you be willing to offer Mass in Houston this week? And drive 4 hours one-way to say Mass near San Antonio?" the answer is often "1. Yes, 2. No".)

    So yeah, I'm thinking Bp. Z has plenty to take care of already. It's just not God's will that he take care of any more people/locations. If God wanted more, He would have either A) given Bp. Z the power of miracles for example Bi-location, or B) sent him more priest helpers.

    But Bp. Z is doing everything he can. He's not sitting around recreating. He's constantly either performing priestly duties and/or in the midst of travel to his next destination.

    And while he's one of the younger +Williamson-line bishops, he's still not exactly in his 20's!

    Give the poor man a break, will you?
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    Re: Fr. Paul Morgan consecrated a bishop by Bp. Williamson
    « Reply #7 on: April 14, 2023, 12:27:38 PM »
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  • Our traditional bishops and clergy work their tails off.  I am just happy this this new bishop is a true bishop, not a fake New Rite bishop.  It's getting to the point where we can only rely on Resistance and Sede bishops to be Old Rite.


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    Re: Fr. Paul Morgan consecrated a bishop by Bp. Williamson
    « Reply #8 on: April 14, 2023, 12:34:26 PM »
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  • Our traditional bishops and clergy work their tails off.  I am just happy this this new bishop is a true bishop, not a fake New Rite bishop.  It's getting to the point where we can only rely on Resistance and Sede bishops to be Old Rite.

    And the validity! It's of crucial importance to know that your bishop is a bishop -- because you must know that your priests are priests. That is not a nice extra, it is of utmost importance. The fact is that +Lefebvre line bishops are the most certain you can get. Let's just say they're tied for "most certain". You can't get any better. You can get the same, you can get worse -- but not better.
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    Re: Fr. Paul Morgan consecrated a bishop by Bp. Williamson
    « Reply #9 on: April 14, 2023, 12:37:13 PM »
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  • Now we have three new bishops consecrated by Bp. Williamson: Bp. Ballini, Italian, Bp. Morgan, English, and Bp. Stobnicki, Polish.

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    Re: Fr. Paul Morgan consecrated a bishop by Bp. Williamson
    « Reply #10 on: April 14, 2023, 12:40:24 PM »
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  • I would also like to comment --

    Let us not confuse the objective TRIALS that God is allowing for Trad Catholics in 2023 with the FAULT or FAILURE of any particular prelate.

    +ABL, +Williamson, +Zendejas et al. are not responsible for the Crisis in the Church, nor are they responsible for any recent intensification of evils in the world. They aren't responsible for the fall of the SSPX, Modernism, secularism, wokeness, COVID, economic crisis and manipulations, the WEF, or all the other countless evils Catholics living in the world fight on a daily basis.

    God seems to be allowing great trials for some very holy priests, for His own good reasons. Who dares to criticize God? But I think some go ahead and criticize various priests and bishops instead, as if it were THEIR fault, or that's the best they can do. But no, really, if you want to criticize, you really should aim it at God Himself (which I MUST immediately add, God forbid!) I'm not saying you should criticize or complain to God. But if you MUST, then honestly God is really the only proper Recipient of your anger and frustration.

    Just like a husband frustrated with the current state of his life can only blame A) God, B) Himself, C) take it out on his wife & family. No one wants to blame himself. And of course many are reluctant to blame God for allowing sufferings and trials. So you're left with C).  Not fair to that wife and family! I don't care if you have no one else to blame.

    Likewise, I'm here to say: Not fair to Bp. Zendejas! I don't care if you have no one else to blame.
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    Re: Fr. Paul Morgan consecrated a bishop by Bp. Williamson
    « Reply #11 on: April 14, 2023, 01:06:15 PM »
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  • And the validity! It's of crucial importance to know that your bishop is a bishop -- because you must know that your priests are priests. That is not a nice extra, it is of utmost importance.
    Yes, I implied that with referring to the new bishop as a "true" bishop, but I probably should have been more explicit.

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    Re: Fr. Paul Morgan consecrated a bishop by Bp. Williamson
    « Reply #12 on: April 14, 2023, 01:12:16 PM »
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  • And the validity! It's of crucial importance to know that your bishop is a bishop -- because you must know that your priests are priests. That is not a nice extra, it is of utmost importance. The fact is that +Lefebvre line bishops are the most certain you can get. Let's just say they're tied for "most certain". You can't get any better. You can get the same, you can get worse -- but not better.

    I would have to admit that most of what I hear about Bishop Zendejas is from a very few 2nd or 3rd comments. It would be nice to read or hear something directly from him.

    Definitely valid orders and valid sacraments are on top of the list during this crisis. When I cannot confirm the validity, I will avoid receiving the sacraments and even for the subsequent weekdays. 

    Is this validity of the outmost importance include the papacy? I hear a lot of comments from "pro-Francis Papacy" members that consider the the new rites doubtful. I think most of us feel very strongly about having this positive doubt. How does this fit into recognizing Francis legitimacy? 

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    Re: Fr. Paul Morgan consecrated a bishop by Bp. Williamson
    « Reply #13 on: April 14, 2023, 01:46:47 PM »
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  • Is this validity of the outmost importance include the papacy? I hear a lot of comments from "pro-Francis Papacy" members that consider the the new rites doubtful.

    No.

    The validity of the current/recent pope(s) has NO bearing on the validity of the Mass or sacraments we receive from our Trad priests during this time of emergency.

    You can't equate "Is he a priest?" with "Let us solve the Crisis in the Church with full certainty." as questions of equivalent urgency, importance -- or possibility.

    Figuring out if a given man is a valid priest -- that we can do. Figuring out a supernatural mystery? Not so much.

    Granted, the Crisis in the Church (and the Mass, the Papacy, etc.) is of the utmost importance -- but it fails in the possible for humans to solve department.

    However, you can't just leave "Is he a priest?" for God to sort out later, decades from now. Because in the meantime, all your confessions could be invalid (if your "priest" turns out to be invalidly ordained) and all your "communions" could turn out to be mere bread. See the difference, bozo?

    Next.
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    Re: Fr. Paul Morgan consecrated a bishop by Bp. Williamson
    « Reply #14 on: April 14, 2023, 01:55:25 PM »
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  • No.

    The validity of the current/recent pope(s) has NO bearing on the validity of the Mass or sacraments we receive from our Trad priests during this time of emergency.

    You can't equate "Is he a priest?" with "Let us solve the Crisis in the Church with full certainty." as questions of equivalent urgency, importance -- or possibility.

    Figuring out if a given man is a valid priest -- that we can do. Figuring out a supernatural mystery? Not so much.

    Granted, the Crisis in the Church (and the Mass, the Papacy, etc.) is of the utmost importance -- but it fails in the possible for humans to solve department.

    However, you can't just leave "Is he a priest?" for God to sort out later, decades from now. Because in the meantime, all your confessions could be invalid (if your "priest" turns out to be invalidly ordained) and all your "communions" could turn out to be mere bread. See the difference, bozo?

    Next.
    I think he was referring to Bergoglio's doubtful episcopal consecration since it is New Rite.