Author Topic: Sounding the Alarm (Read 1355 times)

SeanJohnson · « **on:** April 20, 2023, 06:49:13 AM »

Your Excellencies, Rev. Fathers-

I do not know how closely your duties permit you to track recent events within the SSPX, but things have now progressed to a critical state:

You may be aware of rumors that the SSPX is to receive new bishops approved by Rome (perhaps even consecrated by conciliar prelates)?

And perhaps you are also aware that Bishop (?) Huonder recently consecrated (?) Holy oils for the SSPX at Zaitzkofen.

It seems to me that these two items are not disconnected, and the latter may suggest the former is no mere rumor:

If the faithful (and clergy) will tolerate holy oils consecrated (?) by a conciliar bishop, perhaps they’ll also tolerate conciliar bishops consecrating more bishops for the SSPX.

Hardly any of the faithful are complaining, and this is surely being communicated to Rome, that they believe it is safe to proceed to consecrating bishops.

But now, unbelievably, something has happened which causes me to conclude in the near certainty of it:

The SSPX has just released a movie trailer promoting Bishop (?) Huonder:

[color=var(--interaction-norm)]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s-UWYRoHggU&embeds_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cathinfo.com%2F&source_ve_path=MjM4NTE&feature=emb_title[/url][/font][/size][/color]

There is little doubt in my mind that they are preparing the terrain for the acceptance of new bishops (approved by Rome, and consecrated in what rite, and by whom?).

A final question: Since when does Rome approve bishops for communities not in communion with Rome? If modernist Rome is consecrating/approving bishops for the SSPX, then perhaps we need to revisit the Argentinian recognition of the SSPX in that country (ie., Has Rome already approved the SSPX years ago?).

These developments have caused me to wonder if we were wrong to think Rome was gradually, incrementally walking the SSPX toward regularization. Perhaps Rome is instead gradually REVEALING a regularization which occurred back in 2015 in Argentina (2015 being the same year in which the SSPX received jurisdiction for confessions, and which according to Huonder, Francis appointed him to make contact with the Society to help reintegrate them into the conciliar church)?

Semper Idem,
Sean Johnson

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #1 on:** April 20, 2023, 07:00:18 AM »

More evidence to support the possibility that the SSPX was alread approved “ad tempus” (ie., on a probationary basis) in 2015:

-In 2018, the SSPX announces that it has sent the results of its General Chapter to Rome for ratification.

-Ecclesia Dei priests begin serving at SSPX chapels in Africa.

AMDGJMJ · « **Reply #2 on:** April 20, 2023, 07:03:14 AM »

Did you send this out to a bunch of people via email or just post here?

It would be interesting to see how the different clergy would respond.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #3 on:** April 20, 2023, 07:08:30 AM »

Quote from: AMDGJMJ on April 20, 2023, 07:03:14 AM

Did you send this out to a bunch of people via email or just post here?

It would be interesting to see how the different clergy would respond.

Both.

My reason for posting it here is to open the possibility to broader scrutiny, to see whether my hypothesis is sustainable or not.

2Vermont · « **Reply #4 on:** April 20, 2023, 07:18:11 AM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson on April 20, 2023, 06:49:13 AM

A final question: Since when does Rome approve bishops for communities not in communion with Rome?

Remember that this is post-Vatican II Rome. Nothing is impossible with "Rome".

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #5 on:** April 20, 2023, 08:36:03 AM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson on April 20, 2023, 06:49:13 AM

Your Excellencies, Rev. Fathers-

I do not know how closely your duties permit you to track recent events within the SSPX, but things have now progressed to a critical state:

You may be aware of rumors that the SSPX is to receive new bishops approved by Rome (perhaps even consecrated by conciliar prelates)?

And perhaps you are also aware that Bishop (?) Huonder recently consecrated (?) Holy oils for the SSPX at Zaitzkofen.

It seems to me that these two items are not disconnected, and the latter may suggest the former is no mere rumor:

If the faithful (and clergy) will tolerate holy oils consecrated (?) by a conciliar bishop, perhaps they’ll also tolerate conciliar bishops consecrating more bishops for the SSPX.

Hardly any of the faithful are complaining, and this is surely being communicated to Rome, that they believe it is safe to proceed to consecrating bishops.

But now, unbelievably, something has happened which causes me to conclude in the near certainty of it:

The SSPX has just released a movie trailer promoting Bishop (?) Huonder:

[color=var(--interaction-norm)]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s-UWYRoHggU&embeds_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cathinfo.com%2F&source_ve_path=MjM4NTE&feature=emb_title[/url][/font][/size][/color]

There is little doubt in my mind that they are preparing the terrain for the acceptance of new bishops (approved by Rome, and consecrated in what rite, and by whom?).

A final question: Since when does Rome approve bishops for communities not in communion with Rome? If modernist Rome is consecrating/approving bishops for the SSPX, then perhaps we need to revisit the Argentinian recognition of the SSPX in that country (ie., Has Rome already approved the SSPX years ago?).

These developments have caused me to wonder if we were wrong to think Rome was gradually, incrementally walking the SSPX toward regularization. Perhaps Rome is instead gradually REVEALING a regularization which occurred back in 2015 in Argentina (2015 being the same year in which the SSPX received jurisdiction for confessions, and which according to Huonder, Francis appointed him to make contact with the Society to help reintegrate them into the conciliar church)?

Semper Idem,
Sean Johnson

In this thread, Mr. G links to a Non Possumus announcement (unverified) that Fr. Pagliarani says the SSPX will be getting bishops:

https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/sspx-will-consecrate-three-bishops-in-june-of-this-year/msg880085/?topicseen#msg880085

Things seem to be moving quickly now, if true. Supposing it is, the 800lb gorilla in the room is what said approved consecrations imply about the SSPX’s canonical status.

Mr G · « **Reply #6 on:** April 20, 2023, 08:48:31 AM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson on April 20, 2023, 06:49:13 AM

then perhaps we need to revisit the Argentinian recognition of the SSPX in that country (ie., Has Rome already approved the SSPX years ago?).

The Remnant Newspaper - SSPX Officially Recognized in Archdiocese of Buenos Aires

"As of this moment, therefore, any member of the Christian faithful in the Archdiocese of Buenos Aires is free to remain a member of, or to join anew, the Society’s arm in that Archdiocese as a Catholic in good standing. In Buenos Aires the “schism” of the Society has been exposed as the sham it always was. Nothing but the formality of a regularizing decree was needed to demonstrate the Society’s “full communion” in Buenos Aires, and nothing more is needed throughout the Church universal."

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #7 on:** April 20, 2023, 09:11:38 AM »

I seem to recall Fr. Pfluger having once said something like, “Don’t be surprised if one day you wake up, and you are in Rome,” but I can’t recall or find a source.

TheRealMcCoy · « **Reply #8 on:** April 20, 2023, 09:32:08 AM »

At one of the last townhalls Fr Rostand made in Post Falls he stated that the plan was to assimilate with Rome and THEN convert it from the inside. The recording is here

Matthew · « **Reply #9 on:** April 20, 2023, 09:37:47 AM »

There was quite a contingent of mistaken and naive SSPX priests in the bosom of the SSPX as early as 2000.

These priests believed and taught: "the Tridentine Mass, as we knew and loved it, is over. The only future is a Hybrid Mass, as there are just too many Catholics born and raised on the Novus Ordo".

I first heard this from Fr. Doran in the early 2000s, and it shocked me a bit.

Where is Fr. Doran today? Part of the Conciliar Church. Specifically, in the Maronite Rite -- probably the most liberal of the Eastern Rites.

There was/is a whole contingent that believes that if we could just get "inside" Modernist Rome, we could convert them from the "inside". As if we're not part of the Church now. As if a small dissident group could have any effect.

Matthew · « **Reply #10 on:** April 20, 2023, 09:46:12 AM »

The plan of these "accordista" priests is about as foolish as a bunch of shrimp, conspiring and planning to damage/change/kill the whale "from the inside" once they let themselves be eaten on purpose. They think they're so clever, like the Trojan Horse.

And all the other shrimp the whale has ever eaten in its lifetime, which served as nothing more than food & energy for the whale? Those shrimp were just stupid. Not clever like WE are.

But they fail to understand what ALWAYS happens to shrimp eaten by a whale. The whale is designed to kill, digest, and absorb shrimp. The whale is never in any danger. In short, the shrimp's plan, which they are so proud of, is shit. Literally. That is what they will become. That, and part of the great Whale itself -- which will go on to consume thousands more of their brothers. Only they will be part of it from now on, their substance will contribute in a small way to HELP that whale in its mission!

B from A · « **Reply #11 on:** April 20, 2023, 10:10:49 AM »

Quote from: Matthew on April 20, 2023, 09:46:12 AM

The plan of these "accordista" priests is about as foolish as a bunch of shrimp, conspiring and planning to damage/change/kill the whale "from the inside" once they let themselves be eaten on purpose. They think they're so clever, like the Trojan Horse.

And all the other shrimp the whale has ever eaten in its lifetime, which served as nothing more than food & energy for the whale? Those shrimp were just stupid. Not clever like WE are.

But they fail to understand what ALWAYS happens to shrimp eaten by a whale. The whale is designed to kill, digest, and absorb shrimp. The whale is never in any danger. In short, the shrimp's plan, which they are so proud of, is shit. Literally. That is what they will become. That, and part of the great Whale itself -- which will go on to consume thousands more of their brothers. Only they will be part of it from now on, their substance will contribute in a small way to HELP that whale in its mission!

This somehow reminds me of an analogy from years ago, about 'The Walrus and the Carpenter.'

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It seems that Archbishop Perl, secretary of the Vatican's "Ecclesia Dei" Pontifical Commission which was designed and created in 1988 to bring "Lefebvrists" back into the "Church", was not pleased by any of the four copies he received of a flyer comparing him to Lewis Carroll's Carpenter who with the Walrus ate up all the petrified oysters. Yet he continues to invite those not yet petrified to take that fatal walk with him!
(Bishop Williamson, June 7, 2000)

Mr G · « **Reply #12 on:** April 20, 2023, 10:24:04 AM »

"This somehow reminds me of an analogy from years ago, about 'The Walrus and the Carpenter.' "

"The sun was shining on the sea,
Shining with all his might:
He did his very best to make
The billows smooth and bright —
And this was odd, because it was
The middle of the night.

The moon was shining sulkily,
Because she thought the sun
Had got no business to be there
After the day was done —
"It's very rude of him," she said,
"To come and spoil the fun."

The sea was wet as wet could be,
The sands were dry as dry.
You could not see a cloud, because
No cloud was in the sky:
No birds were flying overhead —
There were no birds to fly.

The Walrus and the Carpenter
Were walking close at hand;
They wept like anything to see
Such quantities of sand:
If this were only cleared away,'
They said, it would be grand!'

If seven maids with seven mops
Swept it for half a year,
Do you suppose,' the Walrus said,
That they could get it clear?'
I doubt it,' said the Carpenter,
And shed a bitter tear.

O Oysters, come and walk with us!'
The Walrus did beseech.
A pleasant walk, a pleasant talk,
Along the briny beach:
We cannot do with more than four,
To give a hand to each.'

The eldest Oyster looked at him,
But never a word he said:
The eldest Oyster winked his eye,
And shook his heavy head —
Meaning to say he did not choose
To leave the oyster-bed.

But four young Oysters hurried up,
All eager for the treat:
Their coats were brushed, their faces washed,
Their shoes were clean and neat —
And this was odd, because, you know,
They hadn't any feet.

Four other Oysters followed them,
And yet another four;
And thick and fast they came at last,
And more, and more, and more —
All hopping through the frothy waves,
And scrambling to the shore.

The Walrus and the Carpenter
Walked on a mile or so,
And then they rested on a rock
Conveniently low:
And all the little Oysters stood
And waited in a row.

The time has come,' the Walrus said,
To talk of many things:
Of shoes — and ships — and sealing-wax —
Of cabbages — and kings —
And why the sea is boiling hot —
And whether pigs have wings.'

But wait a bit,' the Oysters cried,
Before we have our chat;
For some of us are out of breath,
And all of us are fat!'
No hurry!' said the Carpenter.
They thanked him much for that.

A loaf of bread,' the Walrus said,
Is what we chiefly need:
Pepper and vinegar besides
Are very good indeed —
Now if you're ready, Oysters dear,
We can begin to feed.'

But not on us!' the Oysters cried,
Turning a little blue.
After such kindness, that would be
A dismal thing to do!'
The night is fine,' the Walrus said.
Do you admire the view?

It was so kind of you to come!
And you are very nice!'
The Carpenter said nothing but
Cut us another slice:
I wish you were not quite so deaf —
I've had to ask you twice!'

It seems a shame,' the Walrus said,
To play them such a trick,
After we've brought them out so far,
And made them trot so quick!'
The Carpenter said nothing but
The butter's spread too thick!'

I weep for you,' the Walrus said:
I deeply sympathize.'
With sobs and tears he sorted out
Those of the largest size,
Holding his pocket-handkerchief
Before his streaming eyes.

O Oysters,' said the Carpenter,
You've had a pleasant run!
Shall we be trotting home again?'
But answer came there none —
And this was scarcely odd, because
They'd eaten every one."

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #13 on:** April 20, 2023, 10:31:44 AM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson on April 20, 2023, 06:49:13 AM

Your Excellencies, Rev. Fathers-

I do not know how closely your duties permit you to track recent events within the SSPX, but things have now progressed to a critical state:

You may be aware of rumors that the SSPX is to receive new bishops approved by Rome (perhaps even consecrated by conciliar prelates)?

And perhaps you are also aware that Bishop (?) Huonder recently consecrated (?) Holy oils for the SSPX at Zaitzkofen.

It seems to me that these two items are not disconnected, and the latter may suggest the former is no mere rumor:

If the faithful (and clergy) will tolerate holy oils consecrated (?) by a conciliar bishop, perhaps they’ll also tolerate conciliar bishops consecrating more bishops for the SSPX.

Hardly any of the faithful are complaining, and this is surely being communicated to Rome, that they believe it is safe to proceed to consecrating bishops.

But now, unbelievably, something has happened which causes me to conclude in the near certainty of it:

The SSPX has just released a movie trailer promoting Bishop (?) Huonder:

[color=var(--interaction-norm)]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s-UWYRoHggU&embeds_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cathinfo.com%2F&source_ve_path=MjM4NTE&feature=emb_title[/url][/font][/size][/color]

There is little doubt in my mind that they are preparing the terrain for the acceptance of new bishops (approved by Rome, and consecrated in what rite, and by whom?).

A final question: Since when does Rome approve bishops for communities not in communion with Rome? If modernist Rome is consecrating/approving bishops for the SSPX, then perhaps we need to revisit the Argentinian recognition of the SSPX in that country (ie., Has Rome already approved the SSPX years ago?).

These developments have caused me to wonder if we were wrong to think Rome was gradually, incrementally walking the SSPX toward regularization. Perhaps Rome is instead gradually REVEALING a regularization which occurred back in 2015 in Argentina (2015 being the same year in which the SSPX received jurisdiction for confessions, and which according to Huonder, Francis appointed him to make contact with the Society to help reintegrate them into the conciliar church)?

Semper Idem,
Sean Johnson

Good job. Yes, everything done in phases. Watch out for children. They will try to brainwash them behind parents back.

Angelus · « **Reply #14 on:** April 20, 2023, 05:52:44 PM »

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on April 20, 2023, 10:31:44 AM

Good job. Yes, everything done in phases. Watch out for children. They will try to brainwash them behind parents back.

Very good point. And it appears that the parents themselves are already "brainwashed." The SSPX has taught them that they can refer to Bergoglio the "Holy Father" and, at the same time, they can claim to be a lover of Truth.

Here's what St. Paul says about that kind of thing in 2 Thessalonians 2:

7 For the mystery of iniquity already worketh; only that he who now holdeth, do hold, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then that wicked one shall be revealed whom the Lord Jesus shall kill with the spirit of his mouth; and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming, him, 9 Whose coming is according to the working of Satan, in all power, and signs, and lying wonders, 10 And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying: 11 That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity.

See that? St. Paul says that they, "...consented to iniquity." These people St. Paul is talking about did not necessarily "commit" evil. They "consented" to it, meaning they didn't make a fuss over it. They went along with it, even though they might have believed in their heart something else. They kept quiet so as not to disturb their little Trad bubble.

Bergoglio and his counterfeit church is the enemy. He is not "the Pope." He is the False Prophet/Antichrist. And his church is not the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. It is the Harlot of Babylon. Anyone teaching otherwise from the pulpit is, at best, a "blind guide" or, at worst, a collaborator with evil. As our brothers and priests, we must try to wake them up before it is too late.

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