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Re: Joint communiqué of Bishop Huonder and Father Pagliarani
« Reply #30 on: May 22, 2019, 10:23:26 AM »
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    This is not foolproof. All modernists celebrated the TLM exclusively up through the 60's.
    A historical fact so simple and basic that it is a wonder all trads don't readily embrace it.  Exclusive use of the TLM is not necessarily a cure all for modernism.  Modernism flourished in the TLM church for probably 150 years or longer.

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    Re: Joint communiqué of Bishop Huonder and Father Pagliarani
    « Reply #31 on: May 22, 2019, 10:31:47 AM »
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  • restore
    Bring back or re-establish (a previous right, practice, or situation)

    Return (someone or something) to a former condition, place, or position.

    Repair or renovate (a building, work of art, etc.) so as to return it to its original condition.

    Give (something stolen, taken away, or lost) back to the original owner or recipient.


    renew

    Resume (an activity) after an interruption.

    Re-establish (a relationship)

    Repeat (a statement)


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    Re: Joint communiqué of Bishop Huonder and Father Pagliarani
    « Reply #32 on: May 22, 2019, 10:31:59 AM »
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  • Kaz, aother jew-flick mocking Christianity is a good reference.  

    Since the exSSPX mocks Catholic tradition.

    I had forgotten this ascent to heaven, renew-scene.

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    Re: Joint communiqué of Bishop Huonder and Father Pagliarani
    « Reply #33 on: May 22, 2019, 10:33:46 AM »
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  • Simple yet profound points, HomeschoolMom and Hollingsworth!

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    Re: Joint communiqué of Bishop Huonder and Father Pagliarani
    « Reply #34 on: May 22, 2019, 01:01:00 PM »
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    Re: Joint communiqué of Bishop Huonder and Father Pagliarani
    « Reply #35 on: May 22, 2019, 02:15:11 PM »
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  • It also seems to have gone unnoticed that the joint declaration does not speak of “restoring” the Church, but of “renewing” it.

    This is conciliar language.

    Didn't even catch that. You're right and I can't believe it wasn't noticed right away. 

    It does mention restoring all things in Christ, but that can be vague. Someone could easily think in a confused modernist way that renewing the Church means restoring all things in Christ. But "restoring the Church" refers to the crisis and means something specific for our times. That meaning is conveniently absent in the phrase "renewing the Church". I don't know who wrote it or who okay'd it or even if Don Pagliarani means renew in the same way that Bishop Huonder does, but it almost doesn't matter. It doesn't look good for a leadership trying desperately to prove that rubbing elbows with conciliarists isn't going to affect them.   

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    Re: Joint communiqué of Bishop Huonder and Father Pagliarani
    « Reply #36 on: May 22, 2019, 03:12:04 PM »
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  • We talked to an sspx woman friend of ours today, who, along with her husband, appears to believe that +Hounder is a real catch for the Society. He may the greatest thing since sliced bread, as we understand, on balance, her glowing description of this conciliar bishop. Why, he’s going to say the TLM exclusively. He’s going to be pray, meditate, and read his breviary in semi-seclusion.

     
    It amounts to a kind of spectacular conversion of a 77 year old New Church prelate, who’s spent most of his ministry, since 1971, giving Communion (cookies) in the hand to young girls in halter tops and being served by acolytes of the same gender. It is truly a marvelous thing in our eyes. It seems, though, to be the tale being presently peddled to the sspx faithful.

     
    Bp. W expressed himself recently less ebulliently. He writes:

     
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    “But he (Huonder) would not be cutting all contact with the Newchurch in Rome. On the contrary, his present diocesan spokesman announced in January that the bishop’s retiring to Wangs in April “is tied to a mission being entrusted to him by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, to maintain contact with the SSPX.” Clearly BpH, reputed to be a personal friend of Pope Francis, was planning to act as a link between Newchurch and Newsociety, in the hope of bringing them closer together. ‘..
    In other words, Bp. Huonder is probably, in less polite language, a plant, a spy, an essentially unconverted agent of the post-Conciliar church, now firmly enscounced among the ranks of the sspx hierarchy. I have no doubt that this is what +W means to say, and he's right.

     
    So we now have a bishop, run largely by Masons, Communists, Jews and perverts, not to mention other assorted heretics, dispatched as a Romish emissary to a fallen traditional Catholic apostolate, run largely by “rats” and “nazis.” I’ll sleep better tonight.

     

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    Re: Joint communiqué of Bishop Huonder and Father Pagliarani
    « Reply #37 on: May 22, 2019, 03:19:01 PM »
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  • Kaz, aother jew-flick mocking Christianity is a good reference.  

    Since the exSSPX mocks Catholic tradition.

    I had forgotten this ascent to heaven, renew-scene.


    Just keep an eye on the crystal in your hand...30 years you go red and then poof. After a life spent in hedonism and general godlessness, where a computer runs the whole show - obviously programmed by sick minds.
    The parallels are startling but good scifi does that, in how it mirrors the present.


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    Re: Joint communiqué of Bishop Huonder and Father Pagliarani
    « Reply #38 on: May 22, 2019, 03:26:56 PM »
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  • We talked to an sspx woman friend of ours today, who, along with her husband, appears to believe that +Hounder is a real catch for the Society. He may the greatest thing since sliced bread, as we understand, on balance, her glowing description of this conciliar bishop. Why, he’s going to say the TLM exclusively. He’s going to be pray, meditate, and read his breviary in semi-seclusion.

     
    It amounts to a kind of spectacular conversion of a 77 year old New Church prelate, who’s spent most of his ministry, since 1971, giving Communion (cookies) in the hand to young girls in halter tops and being served by acolytes of the same gender. It is truly a marvelous thing in our eyes. It seems, though, to be the tale being presently peddled to the sspx faithful.

     
    Bp. W expressed himself recently less ebulliently. He writes:

     

    In other words, Bp. Huonder is probably, in less polite language, a plant, a spy, an essentially unconverted agent of the post-Conciliar church, now firmly enscounced among the ranks of the sspx hierarchy. I have no doubt that this is what +W means to say, and he's right.

     
    So we now have a bishop, run largely by Masons, Communists, Jews and perverts, not to mention other assorted heretics, dispatched as a Romish emissary to a fallen traditional Catholic apostolate, run largely by “rats” and “nazis.” I’ll sleep better tonight.

    Definitely.

    Then again, a spy is one who conceals his true mission, whereas Menzingen is fully aware (and supportive) of that mission.

    The reality, therefore, is not that Huonder is a spy, but that the new-SSPX is treasonous.

    Had Bishop Huonder ever written something like this (see link below), the new-SSPX would want nothing to do with him, and would probably rebuke him as schismatic or a practical sedevacantist:

    http://archives.sspx.org/bishop_salvador_lazo/bishop_lazos_declaration_of_faith.htm

     

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