“The one sole purpose of this step is to dedicate himself to prayer and silence, to celebrate the traditional Mass exclusively, and to work for Tradition, the only way of renewing the Church.”
[Choking on my coffee...]
The one sole step?
What liars!
We already have it from the horses mouth that +Huonder is assigned this task to act as an official liaison between the SSPX and Francis!
Disgraceful for priests to abuse truth so flagrantly.
The gorge rises.
And the idea that this altar girl using, Communion in the hand dispensing bishop is now going to suddenly “work for Tradition” (now that he is retired?) takes you all for idiots!
Of course, in Menzingen they now believe that facilitating an accord between the new-SSPX and ultra-modernist Rome = “working for Tradition!”
Thank you for posting this.Of course. We need to keep up to date with what is going on. I was told on March 31 from a Society priest whom I will leave unnamed that that very week a memo had come through saying he will not be coming anytime soon if ever! Less then two months later and here he is. I don’t know about you but two months isn’t “a long time”
Because I appreciate when important news is posted, I gave a thumbs up.
That is what the thumbs-up means: "Thank you! Please keep up the good work and post more things of this nature."
As anyone who has been on CathInfo for 1 week knows, I am NOT AT ALL happy about the SSPX cozying up to Modernist Rome, forming new connections with the Conciliar Church, compromising, and changing on a daily basis.
So although I consider this BAD NEWS for Tradition, I give it a hearty thumbs up because I'm not going to "shoot the messenger". I appreciate the messenger posting this important news on CathInfo, even if this particular news story is bad news.
I want too join in union of prayer with Bishop Huonder and pray that the situation will develop in which there will be no need for a resistance.The only situation that could develop which would make the resistance unnecessary is the pope burning the V2 docuмents in St Peter's square and prohibiting the new mass under penalty of excommunication. (and a correction of the 500,000 other related things to these 2 evils).
The only situation that could develop which would make the resistance unnecessary is the pope burning the V2 docuмents in St Peter's square and prohibiting the new mass under penalty of excommunication. (and a correction of the 500,000 other related things to these 2 evils).Is it possible that with his new SSPX friends that Bishop Houder's morals will improve?
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But this will never happen because this isn't the new-sspx's goal. They no longer will ACT to CONVERT new-rome. They only want to become FRIENDS with these HERETICS and hope that new-rome will convert by EXAMPLE. This is a naive and utopian dream. It is a moral certainty that if you have bad friends, your morals will be corrupted.
Formal and clear heresy acts like a dagger.
Equivocation acts like a slow poison.
Heresy attacks a precise article of dogma.
Equivocation undermines the habitus of faith
and thus weakens all dogmas.
One becomes a formal heretic only by willing it.
Equivocation instead is able to demolish the faith
of a man unbeknownst to him.
Heresy affirms what dogma denies or
denies what it affirms.
Equivocation destroys the faith just as radically,
by refraining from either affirming or denying,
by turning revealed certainty into personal opinion.
-- Abbe Raymond Dulac
Is it possible that with his new SSPX friends that Bishop Houder's morals will improve?Who cares? What about all the other 1,000s of bishops in the world that the new-sspx will not affect because the new-sspx will have to "be positive" and not be able to criticize V2 or the new mass, just like when the FSSP joined new-rome, they couldn't criticize the heretical direction of new-rome. Every trad group who has joined new-rome has been neutered and not allowed to be critical. This makes "admonishing the sinners" of new-rome impossible, so the chances of them converting due to the new-sspx's influence, is almost nil.
Is it possible that with his new SSPX friends that Bishop Houder's morals will improve?
Posted the following in The Remnant’s “comments” section, but doubt it will see the light of day (and even if they were inclined to publish it, they would get a call from the District within a couple hours to delete it).
Therefore, posting it here:
“Can someone explain to me how the joint declaration’s statement that “the one sole purpose” for Bishop Huonder’s retirement to the sspx school is to dedicate himself to prayer, silence, say the TLM, and work for the restoration of Tradition is compatible with the Diocese of Chur’s Kathnet announcement of a couple months ago, acknowledging that the bishop has been given this assignment by Francis to be a liaison between the SSPX and Rome?
Moreover, am I to believe the same bishop recently pictured celebrating the new Mass with altar girls, and giving communion in the hand, has suddenly changed his spots, and conveniently became a traditionalist on the day of his retirement?
And of what does Bishop Huonder’s newfound “traditionalism” consist, beyond saying the old Mass? Does he suddenly reject his own former ecuмenism? Does he reject the errors of Vatican II? What are his thoughts on the new questionable sacraments (eg., vegetable oil for extreme unction)? Etc., etc.
Just a few days after tossing cold water on the initiative of theologians who were seeking to continue the deposition process of Francis (initially begun by Cardinal Burke, and continued by the Correctio Fillialis), the SSPX now sends a disturbing message to its faithful:
We are on the same side as the modernists.
The SSPX, which once served as a bastion of truth, today tells a blatant falsehood through its superior general, regarding the purpose of Bishop Huonder’s arrival (contradicted by the bishop himself).
There is only one way this joint declaration is compatible with truth (at least subjectively):
The SSPX today believes that working for a practical accord with unconverted Rome = “working for Tradition.”
The previous generation of SSPXers were indoctrinated by Archbishop Lefebvre after the consecrations to hold such a position as the gravest danger to the faithful (see his 1991 Fideliter interview).
Conversely, the last 20 years of SSPX leadership have striven mightily (and successfully) to inculcate exactly the opposite principle: Legal recognition is the primary goal.
Very few have possessed the perspicacity of mind to detect this reorientation of the SSPX, and those who have have become maligned more than baby murdering devil worshippers.
Will The Remnant possess the journalistic integrity to allow this perspective to aire? It will gain my respect if it does.”
I want too join in union of prayer with Bishop Huonder and pray that the situation will develop in which there will be no need for a resistance.Poche,
Ok Remnant:
My respect for your journalistic integrity rises.
I did not think you would post it.
More than happy to have been wrong.
Agreed. I should have said “in this particular instance...”
I think not. Michael Matt just headlined it that way to make trads think he's still a trad.
He sold-out his journalistic integrity when he started providing cover for the SSPX.
Since 2012, he's editorially endorsed the SSPX and hasn't reported anything about the SSPX/Resistance split.
Now, he's even endorsing Francis's fake conservative "good cop" Bp. Schnieder.
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The Remnant selectively reports the truth and therefore acts as an agent of liars, misleading trad Catholics to assist the modernists revolution.
If we could only see the changes in Michael Matt's bank account since 2012... hecould notwound not explain it.
"I rejoice whenever aTLM is celebrated"
"I rejoice whenever aTLM is celebrated"Xavier, to follow-up on what HomeSchoolMom said, your understanding of theology and how the liturgy pleases God is childish. You really need to pray for guidance on this. Just because a TLM is said doesn't mean it's automatically good and God is honored. A catholic is forbidden by canon law from attending a mass from a known heretic/modernist, therefore many TLMs would be wrong to attend because the priest is in the state of public sin (this also applies to probable heretics, because canon law also forbids catholics from attending masses/sacraments based on "probabilities".) We have the highest duty, both legally and morally, to offer God our best, which means to attend masses which are certainly valid, legal and moral. Anything less, unless in an emergency, is to offer God the sin of Cain, the 2nd best of our selves and the liturgy.
Xavier, to follow-up on what HomeSchoolMom said, your understanding of theology and how the liturgy pleases God is childish. You really need to pray for guidance on this. Just because a TLM is said doesn't mean it's automatically good and God is honored. A catholic is forbidden by canon law from attending a mass from a known heretic/modernist, therefore many TLMs would be wrong to attend because the priest is in the state of public sin (this also applies to probable heretics, because canon law also forbids catholics from attending masses/sacraments based on "probabilities".) We have the highest duty, both legally and morally, to offer God our best, which means to attend masses which are certainly valid, legal and moral. Anything less, unless in an emergency, is to offer God the sin of Cain, the 2nd best of our selves and the liturgy.
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Further, being that many TLMs are said in the same churchs and by the same priests who say the novus ordo abomination, then those TLMs are tainted by sacrilige and blasphemy, since those churches as desecrated by sins against the First Commandment, which highly offend God, above all other sins.
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In the case of +Huonder, until he publically denounces his previous errors, his previous silence on V2, his previous sacrilegious performance of the novus ordo (with his allowance of the blasphemous 'communion in the hand', girl servers, lay eucharistic ministers, etc, etc, etc), then he is to be avoided as a probable heretic and a practical apostate. Anyone who associates with him is guilty of this scandal to the Faith. The new-sspx has an obligation to the entire catholic world to properly legitimize this "bishop" (if he's a bishop at all...he should be conditionally ordained/consecrated) and to help him make resitution for his enabling the V2 errors, by him issuing a public condemnation of all things Modernism, a public taking of the "oath against modernism" and a public "Credo" of all things orthodox and Traditional. Much like Bishop Castro Meyer denounced his former errors, and spend the rest of this life supporting Traditionalism, so +Huonder has the duty, as a Bishop of the Church, to make up for his past and to spread/preach the Faith for the little time he has left on earth.
This is not foolproof. All modernists celebrated the TLM exclusively up through the 60's.I too rejoice when I see modernism denounced.
Rejoice, rather, when a modernist denounces his modernism.
It also seems to have gone unnoticed that the joint declaration does not speak of “restoring” the Church, but of “renewing” it.I confess when reading this (even though we have been hearing about renewal for many a decade) , when it comes to the neo-SSPX and its Operation ѕυιcιdє. the Carousel scene from the 1976 scifi movie Logan's Run is what comes to mind.
This is conciliar language.
In conservative environs, they like to use this term, as it does not imply a rejection of the underlying justification of Vatican II (ie., renewal; evolution; revolution; change; progress), while “restoration” implies turning back the clock and rejection.
Hence, I detect a hint in the use of this term regarding the SSPX’s new mindset:
There is no longer even the pretense of converting Rome to Tradition (a BS claim used by all the capitulating once-traditional communities used to shield them from scorn), but a contentedness to assume a place in the new pluralist church.
The SSPX will not restore.
It wants to renew.
You have it from the superior general’s mouth.
They adopt the same posture towards the crisis (which they want you to believe “recedes”) as EWTN’s Franciscans of the Renewal; the same attitude as Cardinal Hoyos’s admonition to Bishop Fellay that “you are not against the new Mass, but for the old Mass;” which all amounts to the acceptance of Fr. Cottier’s strategy against Campos: What matters most is that there no longer be rejection in their hearts.
Declaring a desire to renew, but not restore, implies that psychological process has been successful.
This is not foolproof. All modernists celebrated the TLM exclusively up through the 60's.A historical fact so simple and basic that it is a wonder all trads don't readily embrace it. Exclusive use of the TLM is not necessarily a cure all for modernism. Modernism flourished in the TLM church for probably 150 years or longer.
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It also seems to have gone unnoticed that the joint declaration does not speak of “restoring” the Church, but of “renewing” it.
This is conciliar language.
“But he (Huonder) would not be cutting all contact with the Newchurch in Rome. On the contrary, his present diocesan spokesman announced in January that the bishop’s retiring to Wangs in April “is tied to a mission being entrusted to him by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, to maintain contact with the SSPX.” Clearly BpH, reputed to be a personal friend of Pope Francis, was planning to act as a link between Newchurch and Newsociety, in the hope of bringing them closer together. ‘..
Kaz, aother jew-flick mocking Christianity is a good reference.Just keep an eye on the crystal in your hand...30 years you go red and then poof. After a life spent in hedonism and general godlessness, where a computer runs the whole show - obviously programmed by sick minds.
Since the exSSPX mocks Catholic tradition.
I had forgotten this ascent to heaven, renew-scene.
We talked to an sspx woman friend of ours today, who, along with her husband, appears to believe that +Hounder is a real catch for the Society. He may the greatest thing since sliced bread, as we understand, on balance, her glowing description of this conciliar bishop. Why, he’s going to say the TLM exclusively. He’s going to be pray, meditate, and read his breviary in semi-seclusion.
It amounts to a kind of spectacular conversion of a 77 year old New Church prelate, who’s spent most of his ministry, since 1971, giving Communion (cookies) in the hand to young girls in halter tops and being served by acolytes of the same gender. It is truly a marvelous thing in our eyes. It seems, though, to be the tale being presently peddled to the sspx faithful.
Bp. W expressed himself recently less ebulliently. He writes:
In other words, Bp. Huonder is probably, in less polite language, a plant, a spy, an essentially unconverted agent of the post-Conciliar church, now firmly enscounced among the ranks of the sspx hierarchy. I have no doubt that this is what +W means to say, and he's right.
So we now have a bishop, run largely by Masons, Communists, Jews and perverts, not to mention other assorted heretics, dispatched as a Romish emissary to a fallen traditional Catholic apostolate, run largely by “rats” and “nαzιs.” I’ll sleep better tonight.