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Raphaela · « **Reply #60 on:** March 05, 2013, 01:42:51 PM »

Quote from: Ambrose

Most sedevcantists do not reject Pope Pius XII's holy week. This thinking seems to have started with those who formed the SSPV, and are either still there or have moved on from them, but they are not the majority of sedevacantists. They may make a lot noise, but they are not the majority of those who hold the position.

Archbishop Lefebvre certainly did not hold this position of rejecting the Pius XII liturgical laws, and if the resistance is about returning to the principles of Archbishop Lefebvre, which I agree with by the way, then why adopt a position so foreign to his thinking?

Please don't equate pre-1962 liturgy with sedes or the SSPV. At the first General Council of the SSPX in the early 1970's, Archbishop Lefebvre and the priests decided that SSPX priests should use the missal that priests in their country were then using, whether that was 1950, 1962 or 1965, etc., as long as it wasn't the Novus Ordo. (The Archbishop himself was using either 1965 or 1967 or a combination of both at that time - until 1974.) No one, including the Archbishop, had the authority to make laws about it. To be really legalistic, all priests should have kept to 1967 !

So until Easter 1984, for example, all traditional priests in England, whether SSPX or independent, used the 1950 missal. The Archbishop changed this for priests of the SSPX in 1983/4 to create uniformity in the Society because of the talks with Rome he was involved in at the time. "I couldn't have got anything earlier [than 1962] past Cardinal Ratzinger," he said. So it was a pragmatic decision, not doctrinal or legal, and the independent non-sede priests continued with the 1950 missal, which Father Ringrose uses now, I believe.

Ambrose · « **Reply #61 on:** March 05, 2013, 01:50:40 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Quote from: Matthew
In the SSPX seminary (circa 2000), even 4th year seminarians (ordained Exorcists -- having received the Minor Orders of Porter, Lector, Exorcist and Acolyte) had their "hopes" dashed of getting to do any one-on-one battle with devils.

How much more should a simple layman forget about it!

Dear Matthew,
I appreciate the response, but to be fair, it's not an answer to my question. It is
an answer to a different question, but I did not ask that.

Here is my question, again, which has not been answered:
Quote from: Neil Obstat

Okay, so that I can be informed, can anyone say what the canon or rule or
Church law is that strictly forbids Catholics to assist friends or neighbors
in saying prayers or sprinkling holy water in their home? I've never heard of
that one. Please inform me.

To say that clerics of minor orders had their hopes dashed of getting into any
one-on-one battle with devils does not provide the canon, rule or law that I
asked for. Plus, I fail to see how sprinkling holy water and saying prayers is
the same thing as "one-on-one battle with devils" - for example:

At nearly every Mass I have assisted at in the past 18 years, the Leonine
prayers are said at the end of Mass. The entire congregation prays out loud
for St. Michael to "cast into hell satan and all the other evil spirits who prowl
about the world seeking the ruin of souls." And this is after having used
holy water upon entering, and sometimes after the Vidi Aquam, when the
priest has sprinkled the people with holy water.

Sure, we don't have people walking around splashing the water all over the
chapel, but I must say, I know of many families (mostly Filipinos) who get
holy water by the gallon and take it home to sprinkle around on a regular
basis.

So, I'm looking for a canon, a rule or a Church law that STRICTLY FORBIDS
Catholics from sprinkling holy water in someone else's home and/or saying
prayers there such as the St. Michael prayer of Pope Leo XIII. You said it is
"strictly forbidden," but have not shown where, when or how.

Is this not a fair question for me to ask?

One of the marks of the Resistance is to ask questions. So, here is a question.

Neil,

Matthew has described this accurately. Canons 1151-1153 deal with exorcism and should answer your question about the law of the Church. You can find a good commentary on the code here:

http://books.google.com/books?id=0yxZAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA569&dq=canon+law+exorcism&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hko2UbLQMorq0AGimIGoBA&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=canon%20law%20exorcism&f=false

Matthew · « **Reply #62 on:** March 05, 2013, 01:52:27 PM »

Quote from: Elizabeth

St. Benedict Medals are longtime exorcism items for use by laypeople. I just read an old Imprimatur book about their history, use, indulgences, etc. at www.saintsbooks.net

Hooray for St. Benedict medals and holy water. I have no problem with people who use either.

I think we all know that Pablo was more than just a man who used sacramentals.

Would you do an interview for the local paper about how you fight the devil personally? I didn't think so.

Here is your proof from Canon Law that exorcisms are STRICTLY FORBIDDEN for anyone except a priest who has permission from his Ordinary:

http://books.google.com/books?id=0yxZAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA569&dq=canon+law+exorcism&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hko2UbLQMorq0AGimIGoBA&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=canon%20law%20exorcism&f=false

The case is closed -- I don't know why people are still discussing this.

I don't want to see any further discussion about Pablo or my decision to ban him. At this point, the one or two dissenters have just TWO choices -- learn to live with it, or leave.

Here is Pablo's response to my posting of the article:

Quote from: Pablo

Mr. Matthew,

Is this the best anybody can do?

I appreciated the article.

It was difficult for them to report on, but all in all I think they did a good job.

The necromancers, witches, satan devil worshipers have had light thrown upon them, even if that light, such as this article, was only a dim light.

Many in our community have been quietly awaiting someone, anyone, that would step up to the plate and expose and fight the wickedness and snares of the Devil and his accomplices.

I have stated many times before, some battles have been even to hand to hand combat.

Did righteous, holy people bring this evil into the light to rebuke it?

Their prayers have been for ill to befall us.

And when we prayed daily the Holy Rosary in the Saint Joseph Chapel at Our Lady of Sorrows in Phoenix, they chased us out of "their" Chapel.

Women and children were and are being ravaged by diabolical with no one there to come to their aid.

The Novus Ordo has done many things to weaken us, but those Holy Ones that should be in the forefront of the fight are instead assassinating the character and hindering the efforts of those that stand and fight.

That is why I call them and what they do evil.

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