Author Topic: To Pablo (Read 23113 times)

hollingsworth · « **Reply #55 on:** March 05, 2013, 11:31:32 AM »

Ethelred:

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Speaking of the devil. His plans and tactics absolutely exceed our little minds. Only with God's help and so that of his true Church, we can resist and counter-attack.
An example: your mentioned "Maurice Pinay". Does "he" really support Bishop Williamson? Only superficially speaking, I'm afraid.
Is "Maurice Pinay" actually "Michael Hoffman"? And is "Michael Hoffman" a group of ghostwriters with Michael as persona, doing a false-flag job and working for the тαℓмυd-Jews in reality?
(Let's not forget that the Jews since their deicide are Satan's chosen people. So, let's also not be surprised to see "super-twisted" tactics coming from them and their lackeys. Usually you can only spiritually "smell" these tactics but not look through them totally, because they're twisted and confusing...)

No, Michael Hoffman is not a "group of ghostwriters." He lives about 4 miles from my house. He is a friend of the family, and was over for a visit recently. Read his new book, Usury in Christendom. Quite informative and well written. As for Maurice Pinay. I've never met him, but have no reason to believe that he is not a single individual, supportive of both Bp. Williamson and of Michael.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #56 on:** March 05, 2013, 12:12:05 PM »

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In the SSPX seminary (circa 2000), even 4th year seminarians (ordained Exorcists -- having received the Minor Orders of Porter, Lector, Exorcist and Acolyte) had their "hopes" dashed of getting to do any one-on-one battle with devils.

How much more should a simple layman forget about it!

Dear Matthew,
I appreciate the response, but to be fair, it's not an answer to my question. It is
an answer to a different question, but I did not ask that.

Here is my question, again, which has not been answered:

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Okay, so that I can be informed, can anyone say what the canon or rule or
Church law is that strictly forbids Catholics to assist friends or neighbors
in saying prayers or sprinkling holy water in their home? I've never heard of
that one. Please inform me.

To say that clerics of minor orders had their hopes dashed of getting into any
one-on-one battle with devils does not provide the canon, rule or law that I
asked for. Plus, I fail to see how sprinkling holy water and saying prayers is
the same thing as "one-on-one battle with devils" - for example:

At nearly every Mass I have assisted at in the past 18 years, the Leonine
prayers are said at the end of Mass. The entire congregation prays out loud
for St. Michael to "cast into hell satan and all the other evil spirits who prowl
about the world seeking the ruin of souls." And this is after having used
holy water upon entering, and sometimes after the Vidi Aquam, when the
priest has sprinkled the people with holy water.

Sure, we don't have people walking around splashing the water all over the
chapel, but I must say, I know of many families (mostly Filipinos) who get
holy water by the gallon and take it home to sprinkle around on a regular
basis.

So, I'm looking for a canon, a rule or a Church law that STRICTLY FORBIDS
Catholics from sprinkling holy water in someone else's home and/or saying
prayers there such as the St. Michael prayer of Pope Leo XIII. You said it is
"strictly forbidden," but have not shown where, when or how.

Is this not a fair question for me to ask?

One of the marks of the Resistance is to ask questions. So, here is a question.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #57 on:** March 05, 2013, 12:19:08 PM »

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Quote from: Neil Obstat

Okay, so that I can be informed, can anyone say what the canon or rule or
Church law is that strictly forbids Catholics to assist friends or neighbors in
saying prayers or sprinkling holy water in their home? I've never heard of
that one. Please inform me.

There's no problem at all - in theory - but Matthew is perfectly correct, Pablo was presented as much more than a simple layman in that article and nothing he said there or since (here or anywhere else that he has popped up) has done anything to dispel that impression that he positively revels in the limelight and lacks one essential virtue in all of this HUMILITY.

Matthew I salute you for taking the ONLY action that was possible !

And I appreciate your response, too, curioustrad, but once again, it does not
answer my question.

I asked for a rule or law or canon and you are saying that one must not revel
in the limelight because then one does not practice the virtue of humility.

So is it "strictly forbidden" to sprinkle holy water and say prayers without humility?
If so, can you provide the statute that says this?

Quo Vadis Petre · « **Reply #58 on:** March 05, 2013, 12:21:05 PM »

Pablo specifically he was doing exorcisms, and even admitted to be being a bit beat up. How do you get beat up with just a few prayers to ask God to deliver a person from the power of the devil (excepting the saints who usually got beat up by the devil), unless you are trying to exorcise him like a priest does?

Elizabeth · « **Reply #59 on:** March 05, 2013, 12:27:48 PM »

St. Benedict Medals are longtime exorcism items for use by laypeople. I just read an old Imprimatur book about their history, use, indulgences, etc. at www.saintsbooks.net