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Offline Fortitude

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Father Kramer?
« on: September 24, 2025, 08:33:37 PM »
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    • I recently ran across a website (ecclesiamilitans) that states Father Kramer is a resistance priest? Does anyone have more information on this?

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    Offline October1917

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    Re: Father Kramer?
    « Reply #1 on: September 24, 2025, 09:05:25 PM »
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    • He's not ...in fact, there's positive doubt that he's even a priest at all. He was ordained in the new rite and has yet to receive the Sacrament sub conditione.
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    Re: Father Kramer?
    « Reply #2 on: September 24, 2025, 10:06:40 PM »
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    • Are we talking Fr. Paul Kramer?... but he was never a member of SSPX, correct me if I'm wrong. "Resistance" is a former SSPX Member who won't follow the neoSspx.  You are aware of this, but guests might not be. I suppose we could classify him as Independent Latin Mass priest. Confusing somewhat. Or "Resistance Collection"!
    He wrote some great books: The Devil's Final Battle. 2002...love most of his writings .

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    Then I see a abbé Joseph Kramer on a web site...he's FSSP.
    "...Célébrant : Abbé Joseph Kramer (FSSP). Venice.

    https://www.amdg.asso.fr/lieux_messes_spv.htm
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    Re: Father Kramer?
    « Reply #3 on: September 25, 2025, 04:35:36 AM »
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    • Quote from: Fortitude on September 24, 2025, 08:33:37 PM
    I recently ran across a website (ecclesiamilitans) that states Father Kramer is a resistance priest? Does anyone have more information on this?
    Fr. Paul Kramer is sedevacantist (at least to my knowledge) and says that saying the pope is the pope (i.e. naming him in the Canon) would be "proximate to heresy". Besides that opinion, he's pretty orthodox in his teaching otherwise.

    Here is an interview with him from last year:



    I didn't list him on dubia because (a) he was pretty hard sede and (b) I thought he was retired and couldn't find any Mass locations, I think he's in Ireland. I put him as "independent / retired", not sure about his ordination, but he did some interviews on YT.
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    Re: Father Kramer?
    « Reply #4 on: September 25, 2025, 06:53:16 AM »
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    Re: Father Kramer?
    « Reply #5 on: September 25, 2025, 07:03:35 AM »
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    • Quote from: BaldwinIV on September 25, 2025, 04:35:36 AM
    Fr. Paul Kramer is sedevacantist (at least to my knowledge) and says that saying the pope is the pope (i.e. naming him in the Canon) would be "proximate to heresy". Besides that opinion, he's pretty orthodox in his teaching otherwise.

    Here is an interview with him from last year:



    I didn't list him on dubia because (a) he was pretty hard sede and (b) I thought he was retired and couldn't find any Mass locations, I think he's in Ireland. I put him as "independent / retired", not sure about his ordination, but he did some interviews on YT.

    Fr. Paul Kramer is not a Sedevacantist.
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    Re: Father Kramer?
    « Reply #6 on: September 25, 2025, 07:27:02 AM »
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    • Quote from: BaldwinIV on September 25, 2025, 04:35:36 AM
    Fr. Paul Kramer is sedevacantist (at least to my knowledge) and says that saying the pope is the pope (i.e. naming him in the Canon) would be "proximate to heresy". Besides that opinion, he's pretty orthodox in his teaching otherwise.


    I didn't list him on dubia because (a) he was pretty hard sede and (b) I thought he was retired and couldn't find any Mass locations, I think he's in Ireland. I put him as "independent / retired", not sure about his ordination, but he did some interviews on YT.
    (a) No he is not a "sede" as is typically understood. He considers John XXIII to Benedict XVI as Pope, but Popes that suspected of heresy. However, Francis, he considers was never Pope and Leo, he considers a Doubtful Pope.
    (b). Correct, he is retired and living in Ireland.
    (c) He was ordained in the new rite by a bishop consecrated in the old rite. Similar situation to Fr. Hesse, as both graduated from the Angelicuм. Bishop Williamson, Tissier and Fellay all said conditional ordination was not necessary in their case.
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    Offline Mat183

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    Re: Father Kramer?
    « Reply #7 on: September 25, 2025, 11:04:46 AM »
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    • He worked as kind of a right-hand man with Fr. Gruner for many years, but after Fr. Gruner died he split from the Fatima Center.
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    Re: Father Kramer?
    « Reply #8 on: September 25, 2025, 01:06:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mat183 on September 25, 2025, 11:04:46 AM
    He worked as kind of a right-hand man with Fr. Gruner for many years, but after Fr. Gruner died he split from the Fatima Center.
    Actually, the Fatima Center split. 1/2 in Canada and 1/2 in USA, Fr. Kramer staid the USA half.
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    Re: Father Kramer?
    « Reply #9 on: September 25, 2025, 01:58:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: BaldwinIV on September 25, 2025, 04:35:36 AM
    Fr. Paul Kramer is sedevacantist (at least to my knowledge) 
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    I believe he is bennyvacantist. I.e., he considered that Ratzinger was the true pope until his death.

    Like most bennyvacantists, I am a bit puzzled where they stand now with the new guy. I don't know if Fr. Kramer accepts him as pope or not. I'd be curious if someone knows the answer to that, and if he doesn't, why he doesn't accept him.
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    Re: Father Kramer?
    « Reply #10 on: September 25, 2025, 02:19:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mr G on September 25, 2025, 01:06:06 PM
    Actually, the Fatima Center split. 1/2 in Canada and 1/2 in USA, Fr. Kramer staid the USA half.
    What a mess!  https://akacatholic.com/whats-going-on-at-the-fatima-center/
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    Re: Father Kramer?
    « Reply #11 on: September 25, 2025, 02:38:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on September 25, 2025, 01:58:13 PM
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    I believe he is bennyvacantist. I.e., he considered that Ratzinger was the true pope until his death.

    Like most bennyvacantists, I am a bit puzzled where they stand now with the new guy. I don't know if Fr. Kramer accepts him as pope or not. I'd be curious if someone knows the answer to that, and if he doesn't, why he doesn't accept him.

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    Re: Father Kramer?
    « Reply #12 on: September 25, 2025, 02:43:50 PM »
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    • 2017 pictures of Fr. Paul Kramer at the Fr. Chazal's Hearts of Jesus and Mary Seminary:

    https://www.facebook.com/paul.kramer.1023611/posts/pfbid0tqXiweUujVj36wWjTAvHpY3jzz88hZhvVZJzEFoW7NERwfwsK4Z2yEvVL91PQoHWl

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    Re: Father Kramer?
    « Reply #13 on: September 25, 2025, 02:56:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on September 25, 2025, 01:58:13 PM
    .

    I believe he is bennyvacantist. I.e., he considered that Ratzinger was the true pope until his death.

    Like most bennyvacantists, I am a bit puzzled where they stand now with the new guy. I don't know if Fr. Kramer accepts him as pope or not. I'd be curious if someone knows the answer to that, and if he doesn't, why he doesn't accept him.
    Most don‘t accept Leo because JPII set the maximum number of cardinals to 125 and in the 2025 conclave, 136 cardinals voted. The official excuse from the Vatican is that Francis, by creating so many cardinals, „implicitly dispensed“ from JPIIs rules for papal election. 

    I did know he was Benevacantist, I just heard him say in an interview that it would be „proximate to heresy“ to say that Francis is the pope. So I thought he was a dogmatic sede now. Sorry if I was wrong about my assessment. 
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    Re: Father Kramer?
    « Reply #14 on: September 25, 2025, 03:09:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: BaldwinIV on September 25, 2025, 02:56:26 PM
    Most don‘t accept Leo because JPII set the maximum number of cardinals to 125 and in the 2025 conclave, 136 cardinals voted. The official excuse from the Vatican is that Francis, by creating so many cardinals, „implicitly dispensed“ from JPIIs rules for papal election.

    I did know he was Benevacantist, I just heard him say in an interview that it would be „proximate to heresy“ to say that Francis is the pope. So I thought he was a dogmatic sede now. Sorry if I was wrong about my assessment.

    Proximate to heresy that Jorge Bergoglio was pope?  I think you misunderstood.  What Fr. Kramer holds as being proximate to heresy is the following proposition:

    A true pope can fall into occult or public formal heresy.
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