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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Fortitude on September 24, 2025, 08:33:37 PM
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I recently ran across a website (ecclesiamilitans) that states Father Kramer is a resistance priest? Does anyone have more information on this?
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He's not ...in fact, there's positive doubt that he's even a priest at all. He was ordained in the new rite and has yet to receive the Sacrament sub conditione.
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Are we talking Fr. Paul Kramer?... but he was never a member of SSPX, correct me if I'm wrong. "Resistance" is a former SSPX Member who won't follow the neoSspx. You are aware of this, but guests might not be. I suppose we could classify him as Independent Latin Mass priest. Confusing somewhat. Or "Resistance Collection"!
He wrote some great books: The Devil's Final Battle. 2002...love most of his writings .
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Then I see a abbé Joseph Kramer on a web site...he's FSSP.
"...Célébrant : Abbé Joseph Kramer (FSSP). Venice.
https://www.amdg.asso.fr/lieux_messes_spv.htm
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I recently ran across a website (ecclesiamilitans) that states Father Kramer is a resistance priest? Does anyone have more information on this?
Fr. Paul Kramer is sedevacantist (at least to my knowledge) and says that saying the pope is the pope (i.e. naming him in the Canon) would be "proximate to heresy". Besides that opinion, he's pretty orthodox in his teaching otherwise.
Here is an interview with him from last year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km29YHTbItI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km29YHTbItI)
I didn't list him on dubia because (a) he was pretty hard sede and (b) I thought he was retired and couldn't find any Mass locations, I think he's in Ireland. I put him as "independent / retired", not sure about his ordination, but he did some interviews on YT.
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Fr. Paul Kramer is sedevacantist (at least to my knowledge) and says that saying the pope is the pope (i.e. naming him in the Canon) would be "proximate to heresy". Besides that opinion, he's pretty orthodox in his teaching otherwise.
Here is an interview with him from last year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km29YHTbItI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km29YHTbItI)
I didn't list him on dubia because (a) he was pretty hard sede and (b) I thought he was retired and couldn't find any Mass locations, I think he's in Ireland. I put him as "independent / retired", not sure about his ordination, but he did some interviews on YT.
Fr. Paul Kramer is not a Sedevacantist.
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Fr. Paul Kramer is sedevacantist (at least to my knowledge) and says that saying the pope is the pope (i.e. naming him in the Canon) would be "proximate to heresy". Besides that opinion, he's pretty orthodox in his teaching otherwise.
I didn't list him on dubia because (a) he was pretty hard sede and (b) I thought he was retired and couldn't find any Mass locations, I think he's in Ireland. I put him as "independent / retired", not sure about his ordination, but he did some interviews on YT.
(a) No he is not a "sede" as is typically understood. He considers John XXIII to Benedict XVI as Pope, but Popes that suspected of heresy. However, Francis, he considers was never Pope and Leo, he considers a Doubtful Pope.
(b). Correct, he is retired and living in Ireland.
(c) He was ordained in the new rite by a bishop consecrated in the old rite. Similar situation to Fr. Hesse, as both graduated from the Angelicuм. Bishop Williamson, Tissier and Fellay all said conditional ordination was not necessary in their case.
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He worked as kind of a right-hand man with Fr. Gruner for many years, but after Fr. Gruner died he split from the Fatima Center.
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He worked as kind of a right-hand man with Fr. Gruner for many years, but after Fr. Gruner died he split from the Fatima Center.
Actually, the Fatima Center split. 1/2 in Canada and 1/2 in USA, Fr. Kramer staid the USA half.
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Fr. Paul Kramer is sedevacantist (at least to my knowledge)
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I believe he is bennyvacantist. I.e., he considered that Ratzinger was the true pope until his death.
Like most bennyvacantists, I am a bit puzzled where they stand now with the new guy. I don't know if Fr. Kramer accepts him as pope or not. I'd be curious if someone knows the answer to that, and if he doesn't, why he doesn't accept him.
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Actually, the Fatima Center split. 1/2 in Canada and 1/2 in USA, Fr. Kramer staid the USA half.
What a mess! https://akacatholic.com/whats-going-on-at-the-fatima-center/ (https://akacatholic.com/whats-going-on-at-the-fatima-center/)
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I believe he is bennyvacantist. I.e., he considered that Ratzinger was the true pope until his death.
Like most bennyvacantists, I am a bit puzzled where they stand now with the new guy. I don't know if Fr. Kramer accepts him as pope or not. I'd be curious if someone knows the answer to that, and if he doesn't, why he doesn't accept him.
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2017 pictures of Fr. Paul Kramer at the Fr. Chazal's Hearts of Jesus and Mary Seminary:
https://www.facebook.com/paul.kramer.1023611/posts/pfbid0tqXiweUujVj36wWjTAvHpY3jzz88hZhvVZJzEFoW7NERwfwsK4Z2yEvVL91PQoHWl (https://www.facebook.com/paul.kramer.1023611/posts/pfbid0tqXiweUujVj36wWjTAvHpY3jzz88hZhvVZJzEFoW7NERwfwsK4Z2yEvVL91PQoHWl)
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I believe he is bennyvacantist. I.e., he considered that Ratzinger was the true pope until his death.
Like most bennyvacantists, I am a bit puzzled where they stand now with the new guy. I don't know if Fr. Kramer accepts him as pope or not. I'd be curious if someone knows the answer to that, and if he doesn't, why he doesn't accept him.
Most don‘t accept Leo because JPII set the maximum number of cardinals to 125 and in the 2025 conclave, 136 cardinals voted. The official excuse from the Vatican is that Francis, by creating so many cardinals, „implicitly dispensed“ from JPIIs rules for papal election.
I did know he was Benevacantist, I just heard him say in an interview that it would be „proximate to heresy“ to say that Francis is the pope. So I thought he was a dogmatic sede now. Sorry if I was wrong about my assessment.
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Most don‘t accept Leo because JPII set the maximum number of cardinals to 125 and in the 2025 conclave, 136 cardinals voted. The official excuse from the Vatican is that Francis, by creating so many cardinals, „implicitly dispensed“ from JPIIs rules for papal election.
I did know he was Benevacantist, I just heard him say in an interview that it would be „proximate to heresy“ to say that Francis is the pope. So I thought he was a dogmatic sede now. Sorry if I was wrong about my assessment.
Proximate to heresy that Jorge Bergoglio was pope? I think you misunderstood. What Fr. Kramer holds as being proximate to heresy is the following proposition:
A true pope can fall into occult or public formal heresy.
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Most don‘t accept Leo because JPII set the maximum number of cardinals to 125 and in the 2025 conclave, 136 cardinals voted. The official excuse from the Vatican is that Francis, by creating so many cardinals, „implicitly dispensed“ from JPIIs rules for papal election.
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Yes, I heard about this question at the time, but doesn't the law also say that violation of this rule does not invalidate the election?
I don't believe the election was valid for other reasons, but since you mentioned this, I thought I'd ask.