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Offline Neil Obstat

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A letter from Fr. Pfluger to Bp. Williamson, 1111
« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2013, 12:49:26 PM »
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  • In light of Fr. Pfluger's harangue of +W's cautions regarding war and "WWIII,"

    --- What about the headlines on DICI.org these days?  


    Switzerland: An Increase in the Recruiting of Jihadists
    12-04-2013  
    Filed under News, The Church in the world [typ.]


    Libya: Christian situation becomes increasingly difficult


    India: Four years after the anti-Christian massacres, the atmosphere remains “explosive”


    Libya: A More and More Worrisome Climate for Christians


    Madagascar: A Nun αssαssιnαtҽd


    France: Facing the crisis of vocations


    The "prophets of doom" don't need to go beyond the DICI news page to see
    all they need to know.  But if you were to ask Fr. Pfluger about this, he would
    no doubt say that there are other, more uplifting stories to be found there.  
    That's how his masters in apostate Rome handle questions about Vat.II --
    they just "turn the page" of the Vat.II docs, and look for what they want to see.  


    Same old, same old.




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    A letter from Fr. Pfluger to Bp. Williamson, 1111
    « Reply #31 on: April 12, 2013, 01:24:25 PM »
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  • Just trying to put Fr. Pfluger's letter into context with what was happening in the SSPX at the time.

    In 2010, I was in a state of semi-depression over the fruits of the anti-Bp. Williamson campaign being carried out by the press and assisted by many in the SSPX.

    It was around this time, when at a Sunday SSPX Mass, the pastor, from the pulpit feigned sadness, while saying it appeared necesary for +F to expel His Excellency from the Society.   I had the impulse to stand up and scream at him.

    I believe the big breakthough report "Maximilian Krah and Menzingen, a Cause for Concern?" hit the web in November 2010 ?

    When the Max Krah revelation hit the news and I was beaming!  I thanked Mother Mary for this consolation.

    In any case, could Fr. Pfluger's (Max Krah's) letter written in Jan 2011, have been part of a counter-attack, in reponse to the Krah revelation?  
    As suspected, were they trying to bait +W to respond in anger ?

    The SSPX had been sailing at full speed prior to that story, but since then, they've slowed down and have now hit the doldrums.  
    Its interesting to see the human interaction here and the graces or lack of, play out.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    A letter from Fr. Pfluger to Bp. Williamson, 1111
    « Reply #32 on: April 12, 2013, 01:51:00 PM »
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  • The full letter with Michael Hoffman's comments are here: http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Bishop-Williamson-contra-the-Votaries-of-h0Ɩ0cαųstianity
    "In our time more than ever before, the greatest asset of the evil-disposed is the cowardice and weakness of good men, and all the vigour of Satan's reign is due to the easy-going weakness of Catholics." -St. Pius X

    "If the Church were not divine, this

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    A letter from Fr. Pfluger to Bp. Williamson, 1111
    « Reply #33 on: April 12, 2013, 02:50:09 PM »
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  • Quote from: Quo Vadis Petre
    The full letter with Michael Hoffman's comments are here: http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Bishop-Williamson-contra-the-Votaries-of-h0Ɩ0cαųstianity



    Many of the SSPX "bombshell" stories are linked to Dresden Max.

    The doo doo tracks to Menzingen's doorway are very telling.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    A letter from Fr. Pfluger to Bp. Williamson, 1111
    « Reply #34 on: April 12, 2013, 02:56:57 PM »
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  • Quote from: Incredulous
    Quote from: Quo Vadis Petre
    The full letter with Michael Hoffman's comments are here: http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Bishop-Williamson-contra-the-Votaries-of-h0Ɩ0cαųstianity



    Many of the SSPX "bombshell" stories are linked to Dresden Max.

    The doo doo tracks to Menzingen's doorway are very telling.


    Whilst on the subject of Dresden, earlier this evening I was re-reading a few chapters of Bleeding Germany Dry-The Aftermath of World War II from the German Perspective. Not pleasant or easy reading.


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    « Reply #35 on: April 12, 2013, 03:57:13 PM »
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  • John Grace:
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    Whilst on the subject of Dresden, earlier this evening I was re-reading a few chapters of Bleeding Germany Dry-The Aftermath of World War II from the German Perspective. Not pleasant or easy reading.


    I've read half the book and had to set it down.  Page after page of that book filled with remorseless horror and suffering.  We dumb Americans have no idea.  And I guess a lot of you Europeans don't either.

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    « Reply #36 on: April 12, 2013, 06:16:53 PM »
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    Shocking... why they will become known as the "Phlugy Files".

    Holly can syndicate letter segments to the international press.

    While trads everywhere are eager to read them, the big fish (Remnant & CFN) won't subscribe, because it will hurt their SSPX advertising business.


    "Pflugy Files" is a very appropriate name; also, somebody on another thread coined the term "Krahgate" (in reference to Krah and his cronies infecting the SSPX and the apparent usurpation of Menzingen).  :whistleblower:

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    A letter from Fr. Pfluger to Bp. Williamson, 1111
    « Reply #37 on: April 12, 2013, 08:31:01 PM »
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  • Any comments/concerns?  

    And Hollingsworth - any chance for the second half today??

    I propose to put the following intro at the top of the head of the Pfluger letter
    as follows (I added a few more lines at the bottom, in addition to my
    previous post):


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    I have omitted the usernames, as readers are not going to know anything
    about that.  It might be too confusing for them.  If anyone has a problem
    with this idea, let me know and I can fix it before I post the Word file for
    downloading all over the world!!


    FWIW here is the one-page intro I patched together from several posts here:


    (An Internet source says):  
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    I have secured permission to publish a private letter from Fr. Niklaus
    Pfluger, 1st Asst. to Superior General Bernard Fellay,  to Bishop Richard
    Williamson.  The letter is almost two and one half years old, and was, of
    course, sent to His Excellency before the latter was expelled from the
    Society.  The letter was originally written in German.

    This German letter is dated 27 December 2010. The translation is dated
    1 January 2011. And the Judaizer Max Krah helped in writing the letter.
    Firstly, the original letter's word-docuмent has as creator "MK28" which is
    the Internet pseudonym of Max Krah (plus his age number when he
    started posting). Secondly, those knowing Krah's public and not-so-public
    writings in German, will recognise his many passages in the German
    original letter instantly.

    I did not do the translation, but am certain that it is accurate and
    idiomatic.  A friend showed to me the German original and the English
    translation, and I can assure you that it is a professional translation. No
    surprise, because to my information His Excellency translated the letter
    from German to English (and we all know that his German is excellent).

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    God have mercy on Fr. Pfluger.

    Quote:
    Yes, indeed. A high ranking and faithful SSPX cleric titled Fr Pfluger as
    the "demon of the SSPX" with good reason. Also let's not forget that Fr
    Pfluger's the man who imported Max "the Mossad friend with the Jєωιѕн
    name" Krah
    into the SSPX.

    Do you people know that one of Fr Niklaus Pfluger's biological brothers,
    who's also an SSPX priest, is very sick by now? And some good clerics
    think that this brother bears the sickness in order to atone (expiation) for
    his brother Niklaus' doings. Well, I think it's possible.

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    Long live Bishop Williamson!

    Quote:
    An extremely rude letter to +Williamson...The sspx is always harping on
    "obedience" to one’s superior, yet Fr. Pfluger displays enormously
    uncharitable, cheeky, obnoxious, and strikingly mean tone towards his
    superior, a Bishop no less...totally wrong, and completely reprehensible.

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    Bearing in mind the no-conversion rule has been breached, V2 is largely
    accepted, new canon law recognised and doctrinal differences not
    allowed to impede progress, the stage is now set for another parley with
    a new regime in Rome.

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    The only purpose in writing this letter would be to provoke and elicit a
    response from Bishop Williamson which could later be used against him
    as evidence of insubordination for justifying his eventual and planned
    expulsion.

    Quote:
    Shocking... why, they will become known as the "Pflugy Files".  Holly can
    syndicate letter segments to the international press. While trads
    everywhere are eager to read them, the big fish (Remnant & CFN) won't
    subscribe, because it will hurt their SSPX advertising business.

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    Yes, it does show unbridled contempt and disrespect for the views of
    Bishop Williamson. Does Bishop Williamson demand we assent to his
    personal views?  Is he wrong to warn us of God's Wrath, the seeming
    imminence of some terrible crisis or chastisement, given the awful state
    of the world today?  Were the saints "scapegoating" the Jews when they
    spoke of the Jєωιѕн role in the coming of the Antichrist?  Someone with
    the Antichrist associates that this priest has should show a little bit of
    respect and decency.  [Had too much of “Beggars Banquet”?]  Of course,
    that's far too much to ask from cult bullies.


    The letter itself follows:
     






    It seems to me that all too many well-meaning Catholics are now finding
    themselves OUT OF THE LOOP if they're depending on the likes of the
    Remnant or even CFN to provide for them the news of what's really UP.


    I believe it is a spiritual ACT OF MERCY - to instruct the ignorant, in putting
    this brief summary of what is being said by INFORMED MINDS upon first
    impressions with this deplorable outrage penned by Fr. Pfluger.  For
    without some manner of context, they're not going to know what to think
    of what they are about to read...........



    I welcome your comments.........................    :chef:
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    A letter from Fr. Pfluger to Bp. Williamson, 1111
    « Reply #38 on: April 12, 2013, 08:44:04 PM »
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  •         In case anyone has forgotten what this thread is about, we are waiting
    for Hollingsworth to post the second half of this letter from Fr. Niklaus Pfluger:






    Letter from Fr Pfluger to Bishop Williamson, Dec 27th, A.D. 2010
    (translation dated: 1 January,  2011).

    Your Excellency,
    Dear Bishop Williamson,

    For months I have been meaning to write to you in order to bring up
    everything so to speak incomprehensible and also false in the things you
    have been saying over the last few years. I put it off since you never
    brought up arguments and obviously feel personally hurt – rather unusual for
    a free-thinking man. But after I could not help reading in your latest “Eleison
    Comments” that “World War III may not be far off”, I am now writing before
    time becomes short, because one never knows when time will run out.

    This prophecy of yours took my mind back to the after-dinner speeches at
    the Episcopal Consecrations of 1988, After the main event all four newly
    consecrated bishops said a few words. Bishop Tissier as usual was very
    theological and dogmatic. Bishop de Galarreta was short and discrete. Bishop
    Fellay was pastoral and balanced. But you were principally concerned with
    war. Perhaps you were already thinking of World War III when you cried out
    to the assembly, “It’s war, it’s war !”. At that time it was still the Russians who
    were due to attack. It would be quite a task to count up all the times in the
    last 22 years that you have prophesied with precise dates the Third World
    War and the Chastisement. At least a dozen times for sure. A task also to
    work out why you have never asked yourself the question whether your
    forecasting arises from objective analysis and not rather from subjective
    utopianism.

    Alas, I know you do not ask yourself such questions. Nor do you ask why I,
    and with me Menzingen and almost the entire Society of St Pius X and the
    world while we are about it, why we merely shake our heads and are simply
    disappointed. (I attach extracts from two e-mails, the first coming from a
    former pupil of yours, the second from a German town mayor.) For you it is
    clear. Always somebody else is to blame. Everybody else is clueless, blind to
    reality, agents of some organization or other, be it Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ or the Mossad
    or the CIA,  most recently and emphatically “the Jews” – the list is long. In
    brief, anybody who disagrees with you is either stupid or wicked or both. To
    any of the people who have rejected your constant warnings of war and your
    crude political and economic theories, and who have criticized you for them –
    there are many such people, and some have even been offended -- have you
    ever apologized ?  Have you apologized to one single one ?  Would you ever be
    capable of saying, “I was wrong” ?

    In fact that is a blatantly semitic [sic] way of thinking: to pin one’s own faults
    on a scapegoat, which bears the guilty for everything. That is what Hitler did.
    The Germans’ own defeat of November 9, 1918 produced a hatred for
    international Jewry, which was responsible for all evil in the German nation and
    therefore had to be “fought openly and without mercy”.

    This problem is to be seen at another point in the latest “Eleison Comments”.
    You wrote there: “Derivatives… act upon the delicate mechanisms of world
    finance like weapons of mass destruction, because they easily fabricate an
    unreal world of colossal and unpayable debt.”  To which one smart [sic] reader
    replied, “The Bishop is showing off – 'delicate mechanisms of world finance' --
    as though he sees through the mechanisms of world finance and could point
    out their weaknesses.” You could not do that. No more can you see through the
    highly complex connections of politics, or the nαzιs’ mass-murder of Jews. You
    have an opinion, then you look around for a few unconnected details which
    somehow fit this opinion (for instance the “Leuchter Report”), and you hawk it
    all as the truth...[/b][/color]

    ................(To be continued).................




    We really ought to write to Fr. Pfluger and thank him for exposing his true

    self this way, for now 'THE MASK IS OFF' and we don't have to wonder what

    he is about nor who he really is, anymore.  





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    « Reply #39 on: April 12, 2013, 09:39:39 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat

            In case anyone has forgotten what this thread is about, we are waiting
    for Hollingsworth to post the second half of this letter from Fr. Niklaus Pfluger:


    I thought the whole thing was here.