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Offline Matthew

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Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
« Reply #60 on: November 16, 2017, 01:16:44 PM »
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Offline Neil Obstat

Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
« Reply #61 on: November 16, 2017, 01:34:50 PM »
Quote from: Matthew on November 16, 2017, 01:16:44 PM
Tradplorable has been banned.
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Oh, no!  ???   :(   :o .................. You mean, no more incomprehensible non-answers about his flat-earthism?
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Offline Matthew

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Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
« Reply #62 on: November 16, 2017, 01:38:35 PM »
Quote from: Neil Obstat on November 16, 2017, 01:34:50 PM
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Oh, no!  ???   :(   :o .................. You mean, no more incomprehensible non-answers about his flat-earthism?
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I guess not.
This has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with Flat Earth, however, and I'd appreciate you not starting a fight outside "the ghetto" on that topic.
Some people believe very strongly about that topic.
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Offline Neil Obstat

Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
« Reply #63 on: November 16, 2017, 01:41:15 PM »
Quote from: Fanny on November 16, 2017, 12:15:17 PM
Yes, Matthew, but to what extent?
In my dealings with priests, I ask for lineage, confirm lineage, and evaluate.  I dont ask them for docuмentation proving that the ceremonies of his bishop up through the pre-vat II bishop occurred.

Now, I would assume a priest/prior would check the lineage docuмentation of a boshop for his seminarians.  Do the seminarians really have a choice of bishop?  No.  If fr. Chazal calls in Moran to ordain his seminarians, do the seminarians have a choice in the matter?  I guess they could leave, but they are supposed to trust father prior's judgement.

It seems to me that fr. Mbadugha answered the question when IH said that he obeyed the priest he was working under.  The lineage was provided.  If you are so inclined, one could, himself, contact b. Adamson and ask for proof.  But the rest of us should, as fr. M did, assume that fr. M's superior did his homework and verified the lineage via docuмentation.

Also, it was said that fr. M tried several times to leave OLMC.  Why he wanted to leave and why he stayed you will have to ask him.  Why he went to OLMC in the first place, you will have to ask him.  

Perhaps rather than jumping to conclusions and causing detraction and/or scandal you should ask Fr. M your questions
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One problem with this post is this:  Fr. Francois Chazal is not going to "call in Moran to ordain his seminarians." 
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To the extent that your line of reasoning relies on that as a principle, it fails, because it's invalid, it's not going to happen.
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
« Reply #64 on: November 16, 2017, 01:46:55 PM »
A seminarian isn't a prisoner with no rights.  If he doesn't trust that a bishop is valid, he can just leave the seminary or study house, or wherever he is.  This assumes he's already asked for evidence of his own concerning the bishop, and has been refused or given little answer.  If he blindly trusts his seminary director concerning a bishop, it makes me wonder about the common sense level and 'street smarts' of the seminarian.

Secondly, there's 2 issues here, which are being co-mingled.  1) the validity of the priest and 2) the validity of the bishop who consecrated the priest.  It seems that in this case, there are doubts about both the priest and the bishop, therefore evidence and an explanation is doubly important.
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