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Offline Tradplorable

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Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
« on: November 12, 2017, 01:51:28 PM »
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    According to the CM forum:
    "We found out the ex-seminarian of OLMC in question was recently ordained on his own Nov. 4, 2017 by a Bishop Adamson."


    Presuming this is "Bishop" Merrill Adamson, I found this:

    "Don't know anything about his "politics", but it'd be a nightmare sorting out his validity.  

    He's nested into three or four "sub-consecrations" of Thuc bishops, coming from the Dattessen line.  Gaston-Lopez and Jose Urbina are involved in that lineage."
    http://thetradforum.com/index.php?topic=137.0


    This is for whoever it was that was too retarded to start a new thread.

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    Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
    « Reply #2 on: November 12, 2017, 04:30:50 PM »
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    God bless Fr. Francis Mbadugha!
    He will make a very fine and holy priest.
    Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us!

    Oh?  How is that? Because of the fine training and superior formation he received in Boston? :furtive:

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    Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
    « Reply #3 on: November 12, 2017, 04:58:32 PM »
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  • Oh?  How is that? Because of the fine training and superior formation he received in Boston? :furtive:
    Thank goodness someone noticed the hypocrisy  :popcorn:

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    Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
    « Reply #4 on: November 12, 2017, 05:17:56 PM »
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  • Oh?  How is that? Because of the fine training and superior formation he received in Boston? :furtive:
    Nope.
    In spite of OLMC.


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    Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
    « Reply #5 on: November 12, 2017, 05:22:52 PM »
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  • Nope.
    In spite of OLMC.
    I believe the seminarian in question spent his first few years at the SSPX seminary in Australia but saw the liberalism and wanted to join OLMC. And received the rest of his formation there. 
    Apparently it was good enough for the sede bishop to feel comfortable ordaining him.

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    Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
    « Reply #6 on: November 13, 2017, 11:05:32 AM »
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    Oh?  How is that? Because of the fine training and superior formation he received in Boston?

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    Nope.
    In spite of OLMC.

    Oh, then maybe there is some hope for him.

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    Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
    « Reply #7 on: November 13, 2017, 12:03:01 PM »
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  • You & Clavis ought to shut your traps considering you've never even met the man.
    You'll just have to take the word of myself and the others who have met him that he will indeed make a very fine priest.
    So angry  :soapbox:
    Relax
    And how do you know who has met Fr Francis and who has not? Don’t bother answering, it was only rhetorical. 


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    Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
    « Reply #8 on: November 13, 2017, 01:30:21 PM »
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  • Oh?  How is that? Because of the fine training and superior formation he received in Boston? :furtive:
    Boston was not the only seminary he attended.
    +Truth and Justice for all+
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    Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
    « Reply #9 on: November 13, 2017, 09:33:43 PM »
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  • I'm assuming that "ImmaculateHeart" is the ordained man in question.
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    If not, he at least has a direct line to that man.
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    In which case I ask, and the faithful require, that he prove his orders.  Certificates for himself and also for the six or so consecrations that occurred on the way to Merrill Adamson.  Pictures proving the events took place would be ideal. 
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    He should be satisfying those minds before asking for cash.
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    Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
    « Reply #10 on: November 13, 2017, 10:09:51 PM »
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  • This whole thing sounds kinda hinky to me.

    Just sayin'


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    Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
    « Reply #11 on: November 14, 2017, 09:05:32 AM »
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  • Mr. Maccabees is free to continue what he is doing. Father has clarified only what is necessary, not the whole story. The whole truth is known to God, who knows all things and his conscience bears him witness, that:
    1. Father always told the priests of his intentions. There are reasons why he left when he did, mostly known to the priests, one being his family.
    2. He never asked anyone for orders including the Bishop who ordained him nor made any form of pledge to anyone.
    3. He was ordained in accordance with the will and at the time the priest who took charge of him decided.

     - Maccabees appears to know father, but does not consider it important to listen to the other side, but rather makes an analysis precisely on the premise he denies; ie that father never sought orders by himself. This is untrue.
    - How can anyone ask to leave the seminary with the right to return ? Where does this happen ?
    - His decision to leave OLMC does not mean disobedience, nor him seeking anything. This is unfounded. He has his reasons which I'm sure Maccabees will not like to hear.
    The priest who made the decisions concerning father and did all the work in regard to his future knows all that.
    On the contrary, father contacted Bp. Zendejas only after he left, who tried to help him find a solution to his situation. Finally, he decided to remain with the priest who took him in and was also willing to help him. This is the truth.

    - He threatened no one, but saddened by the falsifications after months of suffering from what OLMC tried to do to him, he stated he would be obliged to give the full account of his stay at OLMC.

    Bishop Merrill Adamson, is a thuc line Bishop who was consecreted by Bishop José Urbina Anzar, who was consecrated by José Romon Lopez Gaston, himself a thuc bishop through Bishop Christian Datessen, consecrated conditionally by Archbishop Thuc.

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    Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
    « Reply #12 on: November 14, 2017, 10:43:59 AM »
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  • Now, apparently, it comes to light there are two independent "Bishop Adamsons."
    Is there some reason this new "priest" is content not to prove his "ordination" and set the record straight?
    There are not two Bishop Adamson's.
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    Someone in the anonymous forum posted a link to a Reverend Thomas Anderson, who is a disagraced child-molesting priest who resides in south-east Minnesota.  https://www.cathinfo.com/anonymous-posts-allowed/rev-thomas-adamson/msg579054/?topicseen#msg579054
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    Reverend THOMAS Anderson doesn't even claim to be a bishop, has not had an active ministry in years, and is probably at least ten if not twenty years senior of Bishop Merrill Anderson.
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    It is beyond me how the OP in that thread could have confused the two, except and unless he just wanted to find the most salacious information that could be found and then pull out an enormously broad brush soaked in mud to smear all those involved.
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    There's not a care in the world for truth when doing that type of thing.  Someone can be a priest, not a priest, a priest not worth going to, a bishop, not a bishop, a "bad" bishop, or whatever else without needing to bring child rape into the equation. 
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    This is a confusion that should never have happened.  Even a modicum of honest research would have very clearly distinguished a Reverend from a Bishop, a Thomas from a Merrill, a midwesterner from a wanderer, a child-molester from a non-child molester, an eighty-something year old man from a sixty-something year old man, etc.  The OP in that thread just wanted to throw a grenade and run.  Shame on them.
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    Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
    « Reply #13 on: November 14, 2017, 10:52:10 AM »
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  • Mr. Maccabees is free to continue what he is doing. Father has clarified only what is necessary, not the whole story. The whole truth is known to God, who knows all things and his conscience bears him witness, that:
    1. Father always told the priests of his intentions. There are reasons why he left when he did, mostly known to the priests, one being his family.
    2. He never asked anyone for orders including the Bishop who ordained him nor made any form of pledge to anyone.
    3. He was ordained in accordance with the will and at the time the priest who took charge of him decided.

     - Maccabees appears to know father, but does not consider it important to listen to the other side, but rather makes an analysis precisely on the premise he denies; ie that father never sought orders by himself. This is untrue.
    - How can anyone ask to leave the seminary with the right to return ? Where does this happen ?
    - His decision to leave OLMC does not mean disobedience, nor him seeking anything. This is unfounded. He has his reasons which I'm sure Maccabees will not like to hear.
    The priest who made the decisions concerning father and did all the work in regard to his future knows all that.
    On the contrary, father contacted Bp. Zendejas only after he left, who tried to help him find a solution to his situation. Finally, he decided to remain with the priest who took him in and was also willing to help him. This is the truth.

    - He threatened no one, but saddened by the falsifications after months of suffering from what OLMC tried to do to him, he stated he would be obliged to give the full account of his stay at OLMC.

    Bishop Merrill Adamson, is a thuc line Bishop who was consecreted by Bishop José Urbina Anzar, who was consecrated by José Romon Lopez Gaston, himself a thuc bishop through Bishop Christian Datessen, consecrated conditionally by Archbishop Thuc.
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    Hopefully no one cares about the petty politics of Pfeifferville.  Now that the man claims to be a priest and has his own wandering ministry, that's all water under the bridge. 
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    Bishop Merrill Adamson, is a thuc line Bishop who was consecreted by Bishop José Urbina Anzar, who was consecrated by José Romon Lopez Gaston, himself a thuc bishop through Bishop Christian Datessen, consecrated conditionally by Archbishop Thuc.
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    Yes, that's the word around town.  That's the accepted story, without anything to back it up.  I can say that I was consecrated by them, too.  But can I prove it? 
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    Can someone inform the Nigerian that there's an onus on him to be able to prove he's a priest?  Did he not learn that in seminary?  He's gone through an intricate network of very obscure Thuc bishops to get his orders, and as someone who happens to know a bit about these things, I've never seen the sort of proofs that these consecrations occurred or occurred rightly.  You can't just say "oh, don't worry about it, he's a Thuc bishop."  Lots of Thuc bishops are dubious.  The "big three"-- des Lauriers, Carmona, and Zamora-- aren't, and they aren't only because we have all the documenting evidence showing beyond any reasonable doubt that their consecrations happened and happened rightly, and likewise, we have that same proof for the bishops they consecrated, and the priests/bishops who were ordained/consecrated after them, etc.
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    I assume that the man in question probably didn't even look into Adamson to be sure he actually was a bishop.  Do I assume rightly?  That he didn't look at Urbina, at Olivares, at Dattessen and the rest to ensure that each of those consecrations actually happened, and happened rightly?  Does he know that each of them were even capable of coming bishops, i.e., that they were actually priests beforehand?  So now he needs to go back and check.  And he needs to be ready to satisfy the faithful who rightly require moral certainty regarding the integrity of his orders.  That's his job, not ours.
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    Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
    « Reply #14 on: November 14, 2017, 11:10:44 AM »
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    Hopefully no one cares about the petty politics of Pfeifferville.  Now that the man claims to be a priest and has his own wandering ministry, that's all water under the bridge.  
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    You say:.
    Yes, that's the word around town.  That's the accepted story, without anything to back it up.  I can say that I was consecrated by them, too.  But can I prove it?  
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    Can someone inform the Nigerian that there's an onus on him to be able to prove he's a priest?  Did he not learn that in seminary?  He's gone through an intricate network of very obscure Thuc bishops to get his orders, and as someone who happens to know a bit about these things, I've never seen the sort of proofs that these consecrations occurred or occurred rightly.  You can't just say "oh, don't worry about it, he's a Thuc bishop."  Lots of Thuc bishops are dubious.  The "big three"-- des Lauriers, Carmona, and Zamora-- aren't, and they aren't only because we have all the documenting evidence showing beyond any reasonable doubt that their consecrations happened and happened rightly, and likewise, we have that same proof for the bishops they consecrated, and the priests/bishops who were ordained/consecrated after them, etc.
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    I assume that the man in question probably didn't even look into Adamson to be sure he actually was a bishop.  Do I assume rightly?  That he didn't look at Urbina, at Olivares, at Dattessen and the rest to ensure that each of those consecrations actually happened, and happened rightly?  Does he know that each of them were even capable of coming bishops, i.e., that they were actually priests beforehand?  So now he needs to go back and check.  And he needs to be ready to satisfy the faithful who rightly require moral certainty regarding the integrity of his orders.  That's his job, not ours.
    How in the wide world of sports does someone give a thumb down to this post???
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