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Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
« Reply #75 on: November 16, 2017, 09:10:59 PM »
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If Fr Francis Mbadugha is returning to Nigeria, perhaps he should link up with Fr Bede Nkamuke of the St Gertrude the Great group of Cincinnati, who is already ministering there. Apart from comradeship, he will have the theological resources of Bishops Dolan and Sanborn, and Fr Cekada to draw upon.
http://www.sgg.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Newsletter156.pdf

Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
« Reply #76 on: November 16, 2017, 09:21:44 PM »
Yes, just Boston, KY. You know, the one I have a grudge against. It's all about my hatred for Fr. Pfeiffer and his organization.
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Is that really how you thought I would answer?

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As a matter of fact, you're dead wrong that "no one has a problem with this". That is in fact my main problem with the Indult. The problem with Indult (and even Rome-approved groups) is the FORMATION of the priests. In the case of Summorum Pontificuм/Indult, almost without exception, you're talking about a Novus Ordo priest who learned to say the Latin Mass on his own. That does NOT make a "Traditional Catholic" priest.

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I might expect JPaul was not referring to you when he said "no one." I surmise he was referring to those who are prone to criticize Resistance Catholics, who claim they're the "true" Resistance, while they accuse you and others like you of being the "fake" Resistance.
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Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
« Reply #77 on: November 16, 2017, 10:11:22 PM »

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Such people (who leave tradition for the indult) I would describe as "Latin Mass" Catholics, but not Traditional Catholic.
Sad to say, but I'm beginning to think the "latin mass" catholics outnumber those who truly care about the Faith, of which the mass is a part.  Too many nowadays think the mass is all there is to worry about.

My brother went to law school and he's fond of telling a story.  His professor said that it's an economic historical truth that it only takes 3 generations for a country to have a failing economy.  The grandparents build the wealth, the parents spend it and have fun and the grandchildren suffer the consequences, and have to start all over.  In the US, we can easily see this example.  The grandparents built wealth after the great depression and WW2.  The parents of the baby boomer generation spent the wealth (i.e. enjoyed life) and the children of today are suffering the consequences of deficit spending, social programs and govt waste.

I can't help but think this applies to many other things- most notably, the traditional catholic movement.  The 70s generation (grandparents) held to the faith and built traditional catholicism; the 90s generation (parents) enjoyed the benefits of a quasi-stable catholic environment, with schools and chapels, yet did not hand down the true purpose of the "movement", and the trad children nowadays are suffering because they have lost the TRUE connection/reason for 70s - which is opposition to modernism, V2 and the novus ordo.  Some of the grandchildren have left religion altogether; some have left for the indult; many still "go through the motions" of being a trad catholic, but, when push comes to shove, don't really understand the real reasons.  Few there are who have read and studied V2 and modernism and understand the purpose of traditionalism.

Sorry for a melancholic post, but if we all do our best to educate the youth, maybe we can turn the tide!


Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
« Reply #78 on: November 17, 2017, 12:23:26 AM »
If Fr Francis Mbadugha is returning to Nigeria, perhaps he should link up with Fr Bede Nkamuke of the St Gertrude the Great group of Cincinnati, who is already ministering there. Apart from comradeship, he will have the theological resources of Bishops Dolan and Sanborn, and Fr Cekada to draw upon.
http://www.sgg.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Newsletter156.pdf
Fr M is not sedevecanti.

Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
« Reply #79 on: November 17, 2017, 08:53:56 AM »
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I might expect JPaul was not referring to you when he said "no one." I surmise he was referring to those who are prone to criticize Resistance Catholics, who claim they're the "true" Resistance, while they accuse you and others like you of being the "fake" Resistance.
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I was certainly not speaking about Matthew as such, but rather Traditional groups in general who whenever they are in conflict with another faction become very agitated over issues such as validity etc. while in the main they never start or contribute to a thread condemning  much greater problems of conciliar validity which range from it false rituals, sacraments, priests, Bishops, and in the current sense its pope.
"Oh, but we've done that so many times before" is what you will hear. Well has it gotten any better or less problematic for the legitimacy of the Church's mission or sacraments? No, and as time goes on it becomes worse and worse as more questionable priests are "ordained" and move up to be appointed as "bishops" and possibly ordain yet more doubtful priests until the whole of validity and orthodoxy become dilute.
Frankly, I do not concern myself with the factions calling each other names anymore. The names that they call themselves or others are meaningless. Fake or real? Resistance is a word that would have been relevant directly after the council when it was implementing the revolution but which has now been consolidated and institutionalized. Today it means nothing except skimishing with another faction over how to do a deal with the revolutionaries.
There is no organized clerical effort or movement which is devoted to countering the council and breaking the hold of the infidel over the Church, which would do battle with the apostate pontiffs and the heretical Bishops directly.  Resistance is an anemic and weak word to use in these times, but if one must use it, there is no true resistance in the Church.  The sedes might be part of the way there but they are still ineffective.
My original point is that recently there are always two to five active threads lambasting some part or activities of the Boston sect. That is somewhat understandable because Fr. Pfeiffer et al have criticized Bishop Williamson, and his Bishops.  In some cases that is justified, but regardless, it plays to a hostile audience on CI, and offends the Bishops supporters, but Boston Ky is a relatively small miniscule operation, and I wonder why it is given so much attention with other more pressing matters are at hand?

But issues such as priestly validity and sacramental validity are far bigger than these things and should always be even handed because they do not only apply to a group which might be out of favor but apply to all segments of the Church at the same time and in the same measure, and should be seen and handled in that way. The places where the corruption is the most active and serious need priority attention.

It does seem that the neo-Traditional movement is sometimes chasing its tail while Rome continues to burn.

Thank you N.O. for presuming good will as my intention. You were not mistaken.