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Re: Et Tu, Sean Johnson?
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2018, 11:35:21 AM »
Interesting.  Based on my interactions with him on ABLF years ago I always knew he was against the SV position, but never to the extent I have seen recently here and other fora.  I don't recall him ever stating that sedevacantists are not Catholic and out of the Church.  
I have a bad memory so I do not recall if he ever went so far as to say sedes are in schism, so perhaps "condemn" was a bit too strong, but I thought he was very much against sedes and thought they were a threat. I believe he advocated things like not associating with the non-una cuм priests who were associated with the resistance like not allowing them in the SAJM and so forth.

Re: Et Tu, Sean Johnson?
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2018, 11:39:16 AM »
I have a bad memory so I do not recall if he ever went so far as to say sedes are in schism, so perhaps "condemn" was a bit too strong, but I thought he was very much against sedes and thought they were a threat. I believe he advocated things like not associating with the non-una cuм priests who were associated with the resistance like not allowing them in the SAJM and so forth.
Perhaps you are correct. My memory isn't the best either.


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Re: Et Tu, Sean Johnson?
« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2018, 11:41:18 AM »
To elaborate on one my points above --

You have to know Sean Johnson. I know him IRL, since we were in the same class in the Seminary.

When he joined in 2001, he had visited or tested out just about every group in Trad land. I can't quote particulars since A) it's been years and B) I don't want to get anything wrong.

But I know he had tried out Institute of Christ the King to some extent, and I think he visited, checked out, and/or spent time in several other groups "to the left" of the SSPX before he arrived at STAS. His attitude towards +Williamson and STAS was different from mine: I was a young man there to learn (docile). I had already decided that +ABL had the best position, and this was his seminary. "So teach me." He was more of an arguer. He also stayed for just 1 - 1.5 years. I don't remember that detail exactly.

I think he might have "found" the +ABL position just before he came to the seminary. It wasn't exactly HIS position yet, or solidly his. I remember walking next to him and +Williamson on one of our quarterly nature hikes. After telling +Williamson his backstory, the latter told him, "Well, it's as they say, easy come, easy go...hard come, hard go..." Good old +Williamson, ever the optimist! But he did turn out to be partially right -- Sean did stay with the SSPX position.

But nevertheless, he still seems to have a wandering or restlessness bug, even if he restricts that wandering to the R&R department of Tradition now.

Long story short, even when he was 25, stability wasn't his strong point. He's clearly a pure choleric.

Have any of you encountered the Wandering Trad? The Trad who doesn't really have a home anywhere, but who wanders from place to place? The one who stays for about a year at most, going from group to group, chapel to chapel, never completely satisfied or staying anywhere for long? Sean was more or less an example of this.

(I'm not talking about geographical place. An SSPX military family that moved every 2 years, but always went to their local SSPX chapel, would NOT be an example of what I'm talking about.)

Re: Et Tu, Sean Johnson?
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2018, 01:09:42 PM »
I probably have more downvotes than anyone, due to my opinion on one topic alone, and you don't see me whining about it.

Sean Johnson had a tempertantrum and needs a thicker skin.

Re: Et Tu, Sean Johnson?
« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2018, 01:11:06 PM »
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Have any of you encountered the Wandering Trad? The Trad who doesn't really have a home anywhere, but who wanders from place to place? The one who stays for about a year at most, going from group to group, chapel to chapel, never completely satisfied or staying anywhere for long? Sean was more or less an example of this.

That's exactly how we pinned it.  Johnson is an indulter with an indulter mind.  The NOM is right up his ally for options and only disgruntled with it because they do not consult him at times.