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Re: Eleison Comments - Vigano Sedevacantist? part 1
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2024, 11:44:37 AM »
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    • But the Supreme Pontiff can never promote a heresy, right?
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    Re: Eleison Comments - Vigano Sedevacantist? part 1
    « Reply #16 on: January 08, 2024, 11:48:46 AM »
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    • Quote from: josefamenendez on January 08, 2024, 10:19:17 AM
    Well, here's a start! Vigano calling for the Swiss Guard to arrest Bergolgio and Fernandez after the discovery of another one of Tuchy's filthy books:



    Arcivescovo Carlo Maria Viganò

    @CarloMVigano
    The blasphemous sewer regurgitations of Tucho’s repulsive pamphlet show such a level of perversion and alienation to the Faith as to demand the expulsion manu militari of the Argentinean and his accomplices.

    The Swiss Guards have sworn to defend the See of Peter, not the one who is systematically demolishing it. Let them therefore be faithful to their oath and arrest these heretical perverts!

    https://x.com/dianemontagna/status/1744337098923024466



    Now this is what I’m talking about!
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    Re: Eleison Comments - Vigano Sedevacantist? part 1
    « Reply #17 on: January 08, 2024, 12:36:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 08, 2024, 10:59:38 AM
    Catholics waking up to Bergoglio reminds me of this prophecy from Blessed Tomasuccio de Foligno:
    Bergoglio was elected in early 2013, when the millennium had passed by about twelve years.


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    By about twelve years shall the millennium have passed when the resplendent mantle of legitimate power shall emerge from the shadows where it was being kept by the schism. And beyond harm from the one who is blocking the door of salvation, for his deceitful schism shall have come to an end. And the mass of the faithful shall attach itself to the worthy Shepherd, who shall extricate each one from error and restore to the Church its beauty. He shall renew it.

    That quote by Blessed Tomasuccio is better translated something like the following:

    "About twelve years [of Bergoglio's reign] will have passed, when the millennium, during which the resplendent mantle of legitimate power shall emerge from the shadows where it [the resplendent mantle] was being kept by the schism beyond harm from the one [Bergoglio] who is blocking the door of salvation, his [Bergoglio's] deceitful schism will come to an end. And the mass of the faithful shall attach itself to the worthy Shepherd [Jesus], who shall extricate each one from error and restore to the Church its beauty. He [Jesus] shall renew it."

    This is a version of the Holy Pope and Great Monarch prophecy. It's figurative outlines are also present the book of Jeremiah and many other private revelations.

    The reference to "the millennium" in that prophecy is a reference to Apocalypse 20, not to the year 2000AD.

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Vigano Sedevacantist? part 1
    « Reply #18 on: January 08, 2024, 01:07:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: Angelus on January 08, 2024, 12:36:13 PM

    That quote by Blessed Tomasuccio is better translated something like the following:

    "About twelve years [of Bergoglio's reign] will have passed, when the millennium, during which the resplendent mantle of legitimate power shall emerge from the shadows where it [the resplendent mantle] was being kept by the schism beyond harm from the one [Bergoglio] who is blocking the door of salvation, his [Bergoglio's] deceitful schism will come to an end. And the mass of the faithful shall attach itself to the worthy Shepherd [Jesus], who shall extricate each one from error and restore to the Church its beauty. He [Jesus] shall renew it."

    This is a version of the Holy Pope and Great Monarch prophecy. It's figurative outlines are also present the book of Jeremiah and many other private revelations.

    The reference to "the millennium" in that prophecy is a reference to Apocalypse 20, not to the year 2000AD.

    Not sure.  It seems to say that 12 years of the millennium will have passed, and it Bergoglio was "elected" in March of 2013, after 12 years of the millennium had passed.

    I just the reference to legitimate power emerging from the shadows fulfilled by how Bergoglio is causing a lot of people to wake up to the usurpation of the Holy See.

    I feel that your translation is a way to salvage Ratzinger's papacy.
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    Re: Eleison Comments - Vigano Sedevacantist? part 1
    « Reply #19 on: January 08, 2024, 01:48:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 08, 2024, 01:07:14 PM
    Not sure.  It seems to say that 12 years of the millennium will have passed, and it Bergoglio was "elected" in March of 2013, after 12 years of the millennium had passed.

    I just the reference to legitimate power emerging from the shadows fulfilled by how Bergoglio is causing a lot of people to wake up to the usurpation of the Holy See.

    I feel that your translation is a way to salvage Ratzinger's papacy.

    I understand your perspective. The passage is not straightforward. My take on it really comes from my reading of Jeremiah, which I understand as a figure of our times. And yes, I do think Ratzinger is involved somehow in the prophecy of Jeremiah.

    Regarding Bergoglio, Jeremiah states that in the "eleventh year and the fourth month and the ninth day of the month" of his reign, Sedecias/Zedekiah [the last and illegitimate king of Juda] "leaves Jerusalem" and "has his eyes put out" for rebelling against "the king of Babylon."

    And Ratzinger, would be represented by Jehoiachin, the last legitimate king who is exiled to Babylon just before Sedecias takes over. Read Jeremiah chapter 52 for more on what happens to him.

    What all of that means in our world, I can't say. The figurative aspects of what is an actual historical narrative just provides hints of what is to come.
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    Re: Eleison Comments - Vigano Sedevacantist? part 1
    « Reply #20 on: January 08, 2024, 02:21:07 PM »
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    • Quote from: josefamenendez on January 08, 2024, 10:19:17 AM
    Well, here's a start! Vigano calling for the Swiss Guard to arrest Bergolgio and Fernandez after the discovery of another one of Tuchy's filthy books:



    Arcivescovo Carlo Maria Viganò

    @CarloMVigano
    The blasphemous sewer regurgitations of Tucho’s repulsive pamphlet show such a level of perversion and alienation to the Faith as to demand the expulsion manu militari of the Argentinean and his accomplices.

    The Swiss Guards have sworn to defend the See of Peter, not the one who is systematically demolishing it. Let them therefore be faithful to their oath and arrest these heretical perverts!

    https://x.com/dianemontagna/status/1744337098923024466




    When was the last time you heard something like this from an SSPX bishop?
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    Re: Eleison Comments - Vigano Sedevacantist? part 1
    « Reply #21 on: January 08, 2024, 02:39:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on January 08, 2024, 11:48:46 AM
    Now this is what I’m talking about!
    Let's see if Bergoglio takes any action against him for this.  Also, I seem to recall that this sort of action/rhetoric against the pope could be excommunicable?
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    Re: Eleison Comments - Vigano Sedevacantist? part 1
    « Reply #22 on: January 08, 2024, 03:05:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on January 08, 2024, 02:21:07 PM
    When was the last time you heard something like this from an SSPX bishop?

    Never, actually.  Not even from Archbishop Lefebvre himself.  Archbishop Lefebvre made some strong statements about them being in schism and excommunicated, etc. ... but this is singe your eyebrows level stuff from +Vigano.

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Vigano Sedevacantist? part 1
    « Reply #23 on: January 08, 2024, 03:20:06 PM »
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    Re: Eleison Comments - Vigano Sedevacantist? part 1
    « Reply #24 on: January 08, 2024, 03:34:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on January 08, 2024, 02:39:11 PM
    Let's see if Bergoglio takes any action against him for this.  Also, I seem to recall that this sort of action/rhetoric against the pope could be excommunicable?


    Yes, Bergoglio cannot ignore this…..
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    Re: Eleison Comments - Vigano Sedevacantist? part 1
    « Reply #25 on: January 08, 2024, 04:06:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 08, 2024, 03:05:37 PM
    Never, actually.  Not even from Archbishop Lefebvre himself.  Archbishop Lefebvre made some strong statements about them being in schism and excommunicated, etc. ...

    Exactly!

    This is basically what I was calling for when I disagreed with you and Matthew on the other thread.
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    Re: Eleison Comments - Vigano Sedevacantist? part 1
    « Reply #26 on: January 08, 2024, 06:26:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on January 08, 2024, 03:34:06 PM
    Yes, Bergoglio cannot ignore this…..

    Oh, he can ... and probably will.  If he "punishes" +Vigano, who became famous for having exposed Jorge's coverup of McCarrick's crimes, this will be construed by a media with no grounding whatsoever in theological matters as simple revenge for the exposure and a continuation of the coverup.  "Tucho" has also denounced for having defended a notorious child predator "priest" in Argentina (along with Jorge).

    Jorge's more concerned about secular media, and having them on his side, than about "Catholic" media (which is part of why he went ahead and approved Fiducia Fornicans).
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    Re: Eleison Comments - Vigano Sedevacantist? part 1
    « Reply #27 on: January 08, 2024, 06:30:09 PM »
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    Re: Eleison Comments - Vigano Sedevacantist? part 1
    « Reply #28 on: January 08, 2024, 06:52:48 PM »
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    • Doesn't Bergoglio realize at some point he will cease to be useful and will be thrown under the bus with his fellow liberal brethren?

    For that he deserves our prayers.
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