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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Matthew on January 06, 2024, 11:08:55 PM
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VIGANO SEDEVACANTIST? – I
January 6, 2024
ELEISON COMMENTS DCCCLX
Readers, prepare next week to analyse
These thoughts of a churchman, valiant and wise.
1 On the ninth of this last month of the year, Archbishop Vigano gave another of his splendid Conferences, asking whether Pope Bergoglio is truly Pope. The problem is well-known to Catholics: over the last 10 years Catholic Authority has been twisted into arrogant authoritarianism, God’s own priesthood into man’s clericalism, and God’s revealed Truth into man’s permanent revolution and chaos.
2 As for the Church authorities beneath the Pope to help him to protect that Truth, they are either his accomplices or they are so scared of him, that the few discordant voices do not dare to draw the necessary conclusions, mainly because they idolise Vatican II. One may criticize Bergoglio, and dissent from him, but not from Vatican II. These good men do not want to acknowledge that the revolutionary process that allowed a person like Bergoglio to be made a bishop and Cardinal and finally to enter the Conclave and to come out “pope”, was due to the Council, which is in their minds untouchable. One is driven to conclude that certain people care more about the doctrine of the Papacy than about the salvation of souls. They find themselves preferring to be governed by a heretic and apostate pope rather than recognize that a heretic or an apostate cannot be head of the Church to which, as such, he does not belong.
3 No Doctor of the Church has ever contemplated the case of such an apostate Pope as Bergoglio. Such an enormity could only happen in a unique and extraordinary context such as that of the final persecution foretold by the Prophet Daniel and described by St. Paul. And this “operation of error” (II Thess. II, 13) is so efficient and well organized that it clearly shows a Luciferian intelligence at work. This is why the “Bergoglio problem” cannot be solved in any ordinary way: no society can survive the total corruption of the authority that governs it, and the Church is no different.
4 Nor is this “operation” merely the matter of a pope adhering to a specific heresy (which, moreover, Bergoglio has done repeatedly). We are dealing with a personage sent to the Conclave with orders to revolutionize the Church from atop the Chair of Peter. It is this malicious intention to abuse the authority and power of the Papacy, acquired by deception, that makes Bergoglio a usurper of the Throne of Peter. Nor can we behave as if we were solving a question of Canon Law: the Lord is outraged, the Church is being humiliated, and souls are being lost because the one sitting on the Throne of Peter is a usurper. Bergoglio’s unchanging behaviour – before, during and after his election – is enough evidence of his inherent iniquity. Can we therefore be morally certain that he is a false prophet? Yes. Are we therefore authorized in conscience to revoke our obedience to one who, presenting himself as Pope, acts like the biblical boar in the Lord’s Vineyard? Yes.
5 However, we can make no official declaration that Bergoglio is not Pope because we have no Authority to do so. This terrible impasse in which we find ourselves makes any merely human solution impossible. Our task must not be to grapple with abstract canonist speculations, but to resist with all our strength – and with the help of God’s grace – the explicitly destructive action of the Argentine Jesuit, rejecting with courage and determination any collaboration, even indirect, with him or his accomplices.
6 Let us not delude ourselves: those who persist in reading the present situation with merely human eyes expose not only themselves but all of mankind to the continuation and aggravation of this situation: For our battle is not against creatures made of flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers, against the rulers of this world of darkness, against the spirits of evil that dwell in the regions above (Eph. VI:12).
Kyrie Eleison.
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Just to clarify and make sure I understand:
Are these bullet points all recapitulations of Vigano's thought, which Bp. Williamson plans to analyze next week?
In other words, we are not to take these reasonings to be the reasonings of Bishop W, but of Vigano.
Is that correct?
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Just to clarify and make sure I understand:
Are these bullet points all recapitulations of Vigano's thought, which Bp. Williamson plans to analyze next week?
In other words, we are not to take these reasonings to be the reasonings of Bishop W, but of Vigano.
Is that correct?
That's my impression, yes.
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This may be the conference +W refers to. In it, +V calls Bergoglio The False Prophet ("the prophet of Satan").
https://youtu.be/12uJT9oFhes
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This may be the conference +W refers to. In it, +V calls Bergoglio The False Prophet ("the prophet of Satan").
https://youtu.be/12uJT9oFhes
Not likely as Bishop Williamson says, "On the ninth of this last month of the year," which is December, thus it was from this conference, which was given on the 9th of December:
Aspicite nobis illusiones - EXSURGE DOMINE (https://exsurgedomine.it/en/231209-aspicite-eng/)
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Not likely as Bishop Williamson says, "On the ninth of this last month of the year," which is December, thus it was from this conference, which was given on the 9th of December:
Aspicite nobis illusiones - EXSURGE DOMINE (https://exsurgedomine.it/en/231209-aspicite-eng/)
I read it as 9th month thinking it was the Catholic Identity conference which was held in September. :laugh1: Thanks for the correction.
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When someone posted it from a different source, I mentioned that 90% of it was just direct quotation from +Vigano, and Bishop Williamson says that he'll provide an analysis next time.
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I could see Bishop Williamson agreeing with his statement of not being able to make an official declaration. The impasse we end up in. That sounds like Williamson really. Not sure if that’s a paraphrase of +Vigano. He doesn’t make that clear. Sounds like a hodgepodge of Bishop Williamson and +Vigano statements.
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I could see Bishop Williamson agreeing with his statement of not being able to make an official declaration.
Everyone should agree with the statement, because it's true. The only entity who can make a declaration (that matters) is the Church. And until God cleans house and restores orthodoxy to Rome, we have to wait.
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Everyone should agree with the statement, because it's true. The only entity who can make a declaration (that matters) is the Church. And until God cleans house and restores orthodoxy to Rome, we have to wait.
Right, it's indisputable and not disputed by anyone (barring a few of the conclavist Antipopes).
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Well, here's a start! Vigano calling for the Swiss Guard to arrest Bergolgio and Fernandez after the discovery of another one of Tuchy's filthy books:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1666509189424857089/EMN-lWmc_bigger.jpg)
(https://twitter.com/CarloMVigano)
Arcivescovo Carlo Maria Viganò
(https://twitter.com/CarloMVigano)@CarloMVigano
The blasphemous sewer regurgitations of Tucho’s repulsive pamphlet show such a level of perversion and alienation to the Faith as to demand the expulsion manu militari of the Argentinean and his accomplices.
The Swiss Guards have sworn to defend the See of Peter, not the one who is systematically demolishing it. Let them therefore be faithful to their oath and arrest these heretical perverts!
https://x.com/dianemontagna/status/1744337098923024466 (https://twitter.com/dianemontagna/status/1744337098923024466)
(https://i.imgur.com/h3PQsso.png)(https://i.imgur.com/fQBsjv3.png)
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I love it ... :laugh1:
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Trad Inc is even joining in:
(https://twitter.com/TaylorRMarshall)Dr Taylor Marshall
@TaylorRMarshall
It is necessary for the Cardinals to begin the St Robert Bellarmine process against Bergoglio.
We laymen call on all Cardinals to admonish and investigate Bergoglio.
Is he an Antipope?
Does he validly hold St Peter’s office/munus?
(https://twitter.com/TaylorRMarshall/status/1744382450107662515/photo/1)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GDVKl5FWQAAhQJ6?format=jpg&name=medium)
10:35 AM · Jan 8, 2024 (https://twitter.com/TaylorRMarshall/status/1744382450107662515)
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Catholics waking up to Bergoglio reminds me of this prophecy from Blessed Tomasuccio de Foligno:
By about twelve years shall the millennium have passed when the resplendent mantle of legitimate power shall emerge from the shadows where it was being kept by the schism. And beyond harm from the one who is blocking the door of salvation, for his deceitful schism shall have come to an end. And the mass of the faithful shall attach itself to the worthy Shepherd, who shall extricate each one from error and restore to the Church its beauty. He shall renew it.
Bergoglio was elected in early 2013, when the millennium had passed by about twelve years.
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Here's what Sarah said:
In so doing, we are not opposing Pope Francis, but firmly and radically opposing a heresy that seriously undermines the Church, the Body of Christ, because it is contrary to the Catholic faith and Tradition.
Sounds like a distinction without a difference ... constantly walking the tight-rope of claiming not to be "opposed to Francis". So, Cardinal Sarah, who is it that's pushing this heresy if not Francis?
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But the Supreme Pontiff can never promote a heresy, right?
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Well, here's a start! Vigano calling for the Swiss Guard to arrest Bergolgio and Fernandez after the discovery of another one of Tuchy's filthy books:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1666509189424857089/EMN-lWmc_bigger.jpg)
(https://twitter.com/CarloMVigano)
Arcivescovo Carlo Maria Viganò
(https://twitter.com/CarloMVigano)@CarloMVigano
The blasphemous sewer regurgitations of Tucho’s repulsive pamphlet show such a level of perversion and alienation to the Faith as to demand the expulsion manu militari of the Argentinean and his accomplices.
The Swiss Guards have sworn to defend the See of Peter, not the one who is systematically demolishing it. Let them therefore be faithful to their oath and arrest these heretical perverts!
https://x.com/dianemontagna/status/1744337098923024466 (https://twitter.com/dianemontagna/status/1744337098923024466)
(https://i.imgur.com/h3PQsso.png)(https://i.imgur.com/fQBsjv3.png)
Now this is what I’m talking about!
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Catholics waking up to Bergoglio reminds me of this prophecy from Blessed Tomasuccio de Foligno:
Bergoglio was elected in early 2013, when the millennium had passed by about twelve years.
By about twelve years shall the millennium have passed when the resplendent mantle of legitimate power shall emerge from the shadows where it was being kept by the schism. And beyond harm from the one who is blocking the door of salvation, for his deceitful schism shall have come to an end. And the mass of the faithful shall attach itself to the worthy Shepherd, who shall extricate each one from error and restore to the Church its beauty. He shall renew it.
That quote by Blessed Tomasuccio is better translated something like the following:
"About twelve years [of Bergoglio's reign] will have passed, when the millennium, during which the resplendent mantle of legitimate power shall emerge from the shadows where it [the resplendent mantle] was being kept by the schism beyond harm from the one [Bergoglio] who is blocking the door of salvation, his [Bergoglio's] deceitful schism will come to an end. And the mass of the faithful shall attach itself to the worthy Shepherd [Jesus], who shall extricate each one from error and restore to the Church its beauty. He [Jesus] shall renew it."
This is a version of the Holy Pope and Great Monarch prophecy. It's figurative outlines are also present the book of Jeremiah and many other private revelations.
The reference to "the millennium" in that prophecy is a reference to Apocalypse 20, not to the year 2000AD.
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That quote by Blessed Tomasuccio is better translated something like the following:
"About twelve years [of Bergoglio's reign] will have passed, when the millennium, during which the resplendent mantle of legitimate power shall emerge from the shadows where it [the resplendent mantle] was being kept by the schism beyond harm from the one [Bergoglio] who is blocking the door of salvation, his [Bergoglio's] deceitful schism will come to an end. And the mass of the faithful shall attach itself to the worthy Shepherd [Jesus], who shall extricate each one from error and restore to the Church its beauty. He [Jesus] shall renew it."
This is a version of the Holy Pope and Great Monarch prophecy. It's figurative outlines are also present the book of Jeremiah and many other private revelations.
The reference to "the millennium" in that prophecy is a reference to Apocalypse 20, not to the year 2000AD.
Not sure. It seems to say that 12 years of the millennium will have passed, and it Bergoglio was "elected" in March of 2013, after 12 years of the millennium had passed.
I just the reference to legitimate power emerging from the shadows fulfilled by how Bergoglio is causing a lot of people to wake up to the usurpation of the Holy See.
I feel that your translation is a way to salvage Ratzinger's papacy.
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Not sure. It seems to say that 12 years of the millennium will have passed, and it Bergoglio was "elected" in March of 2013, after 12 years of the millennium had passed.
I just the reference to legitimate power emerging from the shadows fulfilled by how Bergoglio is causing a lot of people to wake up to the usurpation of the Holy See.
I feel that your translation is a way to salvage Ratzinger's papacy.
I understand your perspective. The passage is not straightforward. My take on it really comes from my reading of Jeremiah, which I understand as a figure of our times. And yes, I do think Ratzinger is involved somehow in the prophecy of Jeremiah.
Regarding Bergoglio, Jeremiah states that in the "eleventh year and the fourth month and the ninth day of the month" of his reign, Sedecias/Zedekiah [the last and illegitimate king of Juda] "leaves Jerusalem" and "has his eyes put out" for rebelling against "the king of Babylon."
And Ratzinger, would be represented by Jehoiachin, the last legitimate king who is exiled to Babylon just before Sedecias takes over. Read Jeremiah chapter 52 for more on what happens to him.
What all of that means in our world, I can't say. The figurative aspects of what is an actual historical narrative just provides hints of what is to come.
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Well, here's a start! Vigano calling for the Swiss Guard to arrest Bergolgio and Fernandez after the discovery of another one of Tuchy's filthy books:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1666509189424857089/EMN-lWmc_bigger.jpg)
(https://twitter.com/CarloMVigano)
Arcivescovo Carlo Maria Viganò
(https://twitter.com/CarloMVigano)@CarloMVigano
The blasphemous sewer regurgitations of Tucho’s repulsive pamphlet show such a level of perversion and alienation to the Faith as to demand the expulsion manu militari of the Argentinean and his accomplices.
The Swiss Guards have sworn to defend the See of Peter, not the one who is systematically demolishing it. Let them therefore be faithful to their oath and arrest these heretical perverts!
https://x.com/dianemontagna/status/1744337098923024466 (https://twitter.com/dianemontagna/status/1744337098923024466)
(https://i.imgur.com/h3PQsso.png)(https://i.imgur.com/fQBsjv3.png)
When was the last time you heard something like this from an SSPX bishop?
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Now this is what I’m talking about!
Let's see if Bergoglio takes any action against him for this. Also, I seem to recall that this sort of action/rhetoric against the pope could be excommunicable?
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When was the last time you heard something like this from an SSPX bishop?
Never, actually. Not even from Archbishop Lefebvre himself. Archbishop Lefebvre made some strong statements about them being in schism and excommunicated, etc. ... but this is singe your eyebrows level stuff from +Vigano.
(https://media.tenor.com/hi1LK0CAFnAAAAAM/mr-bean-johnny-english.gif)
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GDVLyTuXsAAi-Bs?format=jpg&name=large)
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Let's see if Bergoglio takes any action against him for this. Also, I seem to recall that this sort of action/rhetoric against the pope could be excommunicable?
Yes, Bergoglio cannot ignore this…..
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Never, actually. Not even from Archbishop Lefebvre himself. Archbishop Lefebvre made some strong statements about them being in schism and excommunicated, etc. ...
Exactly!
This is basically what I was calling for when I disagreed with you and Matthew on the other thread.
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Yes, Bergoglio cannot ignore this…..
Oh, he can ... and probably will. If he "punishes" +Vigano, who became famous for having exposed Jorge's coverup of McCarrick's crimes, this will be construed by a media with no grounding whatsoever in theological matters as simple revenge for the exposure and a continuation of the coverup. "Tucho" has also denounced for having defended a notorious child predator "priest" in Argentina (along with Jorge).
Jorge's more concerned about secular media, and having them on his side, than about "Catholic" media (which is part of why he went ahead and approved Fiducia Fornicans).
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Fiducia Fornicans).
:laugh2:
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Doesn't Bergoglio realize at some point he will cease to be useful and will be thrown under the bus with his fellow liberal brethren?
For that he deserves our prayers.