Author Topic: Eleison Comments - Vatican War - Number CDXCV (495) (Read 3839 times)

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #10 on:** January 09, 2017, 11:59:39 PM »

Quote from: Incredulous

Bishop Williamson,

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and that structure is very much part of Tradition – “Peter, feed my sheep” (Jn XXI, 17). Therefore however deep is the Conciliar corruption in Rome, Catholics must still be looking to Rome.

I don't get it?

Is his excellency talking about "Rome" the historical sacred physical entity and geographic location or Francis and his ʝʊdɛօ-masonic riddled holy See ?

If it's the latter, I'm not buying it.

I hear this "Rome" comment all the time from the neo-trad crowd and in their next breath, they label you as a sede or schismatic.

It's too much like Bp. Fellay's "primacy of Francis" spin.

What else could he say... as he sells tradition down the river?

"Is his excellency talking about "Rome" the historical sacred physical entity and geographic location, or Francis and his ʝʊdɛօ-masonic riddled holy See?"

It seems to me it's both. That is, +W is using two different-but-not-unrelated connotations even in the SAME sentence! I would expect him to be expecting a lot of readers won't pick up on that literary device he's throwing into the mix here.

First, when +W says "the Conciliar corruption in Rome," he's talking about Conciliar Rome which is indistinguishable from the corruption in the wake of the unclean spirit of Vat.II.

Second, when +W says, "Catholics must still be looking to Rome," he's talking about the Papal See, or the office of the Supreme Shepherd, which does not actually HAVE to be in physical Rome, Italy. Remember it was in France for a long time hundreds of years ago.

Incredulous · « **Reply #11 on:** January 10, 2017, 12:29:58 AM »

Oh well, we can always dream....

Centurions!

They're no more papal guards of any manly merit, only wimpy ʝʊdɛօ-masonic agents.

I say we cross this bridge, arrest Francis and hold an emergency Conclave!

Wessex · « **Reply #12 on:** January 10, 2017, 06:54:32 AM »

Quote from: Incredulous

Quote from: Wessex
I, too, search in vain for this Vatican at war. The new conciliar religion would after all this time have weeded out all its enemies leaving in play a variety of promoters only distinguishable by the strength of their conciliar zeal.

We can of course look on and note the revolution is eating its own. It must always remain fresh and wow betide any stragglers! However, I am sure the spirit of V2 will prevail for several generations and set the tone for those psychologically in tune with its evolving religiosity. We hate to think what this is turning into. The locus of Catholicism is not modern Rome. This must be the case because so many traditional apostolates are now doing their own thing. Nostalgic references may be understandable ..... but not for a convert bishop!

Happy New Year Wessex!

(long time... no post?)

And the same to you and my old friends on this site. In a fast changing landscape very few of us are remaining constant. I perceive new allignments ahead; even in the case of Max Krah. Would you believe it? I will send a link in another thread.

Wessex · « **Reply #13 on:** January 10, 2017, 07:57:07 AM »

Quote from: JPaul

Quote from: Wessex
The locus of Catholicism is not modern Rome. This must be the case because so many traditional apostolates are now doing their own thing. Nostalgic references may be understandable ..... but not for a convert bishop!

That is the reality that is still be obfuscated here by these neo-Traditional groups who actually conduct their business as autocephalous entities with no more than rhetorical fealty to the men whom they proclaim as their superior.

Just as the conciliar bandits feign attachment to Tradition to maintain their legitimacy and hide their separation from the Christian religion, so do the others hide their independence from that authority by the romanticizing and waxing about "looking to Rome" to maintain their own legitimacy as part of the Church.

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These bishops have nothing left to offer; at the end of a cul-de-sac there is only backtracking. We have seen this so many times elsewhere. They are in something of a denial when confronted with the transformation that is modern Rome and interpret it as a temporary blip. We would not mind a new Avignon filling the vacuum but we are bereft of true leaders. Econe showed some promise but was nothing more than posturing. Subsequently, more and more, we depend on hazy memories of a fast-receding Rome as sufficient justification for practising the faith. It is nostalgia to the extreme. What use is a church without a dependable and visible functioning structure which as I write is suffering generational incomprehension? The timidity of R & R and its grossly inadequate prelates is no substitute.

JPaul · « **Reply #14 on:** January 10, 2017, 07:59:08 AM »

Neil Obstat,

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It seems to me it's both. That is, +W is using two different-but-not-unrelated connotations even in the SAME sentence! I would expect him to be expecting a lot of readers won't pick up on that literary device he's throwing into the mix here.

First, when +W says "the Conciliar corruption in Rome," he's talking about Conciliar Rome which is indistinguishable from the corruption in the wake of the unclean spirit of Vat.II.

Second, when +W says, "Catholics must still be looking to Rome," he's talking about the Papal See, or the office of the Supreme Shepherd, which does not actually HAVE to be in physical Rome, Italy. Remember it was in France for a long time hundreds of years ago.

Yes it is both due to the fact he has made a point in the last few years to promote his belief that they are one and the same. He does not distinguish one as separate from the other and does not discriminate against the non-Catholic entity as being something other that the Catholic Church.

He holds the same basic view as Bishop Fellay. Remember the half rotten fruit?

The Lord Christ reveals the Truth of the matter when he said,

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A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can an evil tree bring forth good fruit.

The Lord Himself here distinquishes and discriminates with divine logic and reasoning.