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Offline Yeti

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Re: Eleison Comments - REMARKABLE MESSAGES – II Issue DCCCLXXVI (876)
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2024, 06:45:26 PM »
Lots of excellent responses in this thread, and I agree with all of them.

Just to add one more point: normally the Church (and therefore the faithful) require a MIRACLE to prove that a message is from heaven. No miracle, no locution.

Our Lady of Guadalupe: Bishop said, "Where's the miracle?" Our Lady produced flowers out of season and the miraculous image.

Our Lady of Lourdes: Dig in the dirt, and a spring will come out that will cure people.

Our Lady of Fatima: "Tell everyone to come to this place on October 13th and they will see a miracle." Well, they sure did.

Our Lady of La Salette: Was not approved until people were miraculously cured on the site.

I don't know of any vision from heaven that has ever been approved without miracles taking place there.



So ... where's these people's miracle??!

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Eleison Comments - REMARKABLE MESSAGES – II Issue DCCCLXXVI (876)
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2024, 07:14:08 PM »
Just to add one more point: normally the Church (and therefore the faithful) require a MIRACLE to prove that a message is from heaven. No miracle, no locution.

Even then, "miracles" can be simulated by the devil, and a "miracle" by itself does not guarantee any authenticity.  It's only the Church's judgment that can result in moral certainty, of at least "safety," of heeding the words of an alleged locution.  That's my issue with Bishop Williamson's use of alleged "Eucharistic miracles" to "prove" the potential validity of the NOM.  It would be childsplay for a demon to swap out a host with some human heart muscle (and then to keep it fresh) ... assuming that's even what those phenomena were in Poland, for instance, rather than some red mold.  #1 criterion of the Church in evaluating any private revelation or miracle is its theological orthodoxy.  Because the NOM Eucharistic Miracles give the impresion that the sacrilegeous bastardized Prot Liturgy can be not only valid but even pleasing to God (to confirm it with miracles), that would instantly rule them out on the basis of heterodoxy.  We don't derive our theology from private revelation, but judge private revelation on the basis of Catholic theology.


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Re: Eleison Comments - REMARKABLE MESSAGES – II Issue DCCCLXXVI (876)
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2024, 07:15:27 PM »
I suspect that +W uses these "messages" to help his Faith, in these trying times.  Some messages do bring consolation.  I don't fault him for that.  God can use even false messages to provide hope.

But the fault lies in promoting such to the general public.

Re: Eleison Comments - REMARKABLE MESSAGES – II Issue DCCCLXXVI (876)
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2024, 07:16:14 PM »
I don't think it's traditional to separate the message from the recipient. Those claiming to receive messages from Heaven have always been heavily scrutinized. Why would a message about Tradition be delivered to a N.O. nun?

The La Salette apparition seems to be an exception to this rule.

The two seers had an apparently erratic life. They were not heretics, of course.

Re: Eleison Comments - REMARKABLE MESSAGES – II Issue DCCCLXXVI (876)
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2024, 08:37:15 AM »
His Excellency does seem to have a weakness for seers and the like.  Remember “Dawn Marie” whomever she was?